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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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Crake said:
No, that is still our endgoal here.
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Good then I can actually go and find out what I want to get. But to say my piece on this vote. I.. don't care about the three year old. I voted Azel because frankly I disagreed with Snowfire's plan and then I dipped because uni. Then salt happened (not enough to melt the damm snow in Canada) and I come back to this shit show. In hindsight I probably should have voted for squeaky but honestly at that point I stopped caring about it (because salt). In all honesty I cant give a damm about Stannis. Him living or dying is unimportant to me. The storm lands just don't matter to me. So what started for me as a "I don't really care about this part" turned into fuel for the pyre. Frankly I agree in that there should be more votes and voters but I don't see how we could get that.
 
chryssalideater said:
So, get Viserys to take an Intrigue action next turn in the Stormlands, have Maelor take an action setting up for Varys' downfall, find a way to link the two together? That work for people?
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No, the problem here is that Jason Mallister is dead, and there is no sitting Master of Laws. Starting next turn is too late. We need to start basically now, because we're playing catchup vis a vis Westerosi Intrigue.

This is DP saying "now the game begins". We are juggling dynamite.
 
Crake said:
No, the problem here is that Jason Mallister is dead, and there is no sitting Master of Laws. Starting next turn is too late. We need to start basically now, because we're playing catchup vis a vis Westerosi Intrigue.

This is DP saying "now the game begins". We are juggling dynamite.
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So how exactly does that work when planning votes? Sorry, I primarily follow the discussions.

EDIT: Maybe rather than solving this problem all at once, we should be taking actions to create time for ourselves. Can we create a reason to delay the appointment of the position? That gives us more room to maneuver.

EDIT2: Also if we are acting right now, are we going to need to pull people off what they were working on this month?
 
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chryssalideater said:
So, get Viserys to take an Intrigue action next turn in the Stormlands, have Maelor take an action setting up for Varys' downfall, find a way to link the two together? That work for people?
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Honestly we could have Varys implicate Stannis in a manner. A suspicion that is easy to prove false but one that casts into doubt his loyalty. In the event we capture Varys we could pretend to be the spymaster. Then we implicate Stannis in a plot that he isn't in. An easy one but one that deepens the divide. It becomes especially easy to do this once we reveal that Varys wasn't actually Varys and thus in the chaos we shatter the bond of brothers.
 
In this case Viserys (and some other PCs) are largely free to act throughout the month, we have given severe latitude to this

We are in the middle of intrigue in King's Landing, but at a suitable stopping point (taking care of our stated objectives), we can redirect to the Stormlands, calling it a continuation of those events.

I think we can still intrigue a bit even without having set up Inquisition support in the Stormlands. What we need to do is find the manhole, and crowbar the shit out of it with our leverage.
 
Crake said:
In this case Viserys (and some other PCs) are largely free to act throughout the month, we have given severe latitude to this

We are in the middle of intrigue in King's Landing, but at a suitable stopping point (taking care of our stated objectives), we can redirect to the Stormlands, calling it a continuation of those events.

I think we can still intrigue a bit even without having set up Inquisition support in the Stormlands. What we need to do is find the manhole, and crowbar the shit out of it with our leverage.
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Oh I get it!

It's a sex jok-

Ok but seriously, I think we're going to need to gather more information on Varys/Court Politics first before making a move.
 
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chryssalideater said:
So how exactly does that work when planning votes? Sorry, I primarily follow the discussions.

EDIT: Maybe rather than solving this problem all at once, we should be taking actions to create time for ourselves. Can we create a reason to delay the appointment of the position? That gives us more room to maneuver.

EDIT2: Also if we are acting right now, are we going to need to pull people off what they were working on this month?
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Oh, you mean turnvotes.

Right now there are some people available I believe. We'll confirm with DP on who is exactly.

Enough to get the ball rolling.

Turn votes are handled drawing from the template presented in the google documents, pinning a bunch of stuff as presented in the actions listed when the turn vote appears in neat spreadsheet rows, usually with a more traditional turn plan for the actual vote stating intent of actions that month.

We have also added granularity to the plan this month, by making several large scale votes near the beginning, something I think we should continue to do.
 
chryssalideater said:
Oh I get it.

It's a sex jok-

Ok but seriously, I think we're going to need to gather more information on Varys/Court Politics first before making a move.
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A fair assessment, we aren't done in King's Landing, and my idea to move on the Stormlands is really just gut instinct telling me that letting it stew until next month is a bad omen.

I am only one person who's opinion should be assessed with equal scrutiny as all else.
 
Crake said:
A fair assessment, we aren't done in King's Landing, and my idea to move on the Stormlands is really just gut instinct telling me that letting it stew until next month is a bad omen.

I am only one person who's opinion should be assessed with equal scrutiny as all else.
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I also agree with you on moving to the Stormlands, but I'm also as uncertain about it as you are. I think if we get access to Varys's info first, then we can start setting the political dynamite. As of right now, there's two many variables. So not waiting until next month, but at least a few hours/days until we know more.

EDIT: Imma peace out for tonight. Lets try to keep things productive and hopefully DP gets a nice surprise when he wakes up.
 
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Azel said:
Well. Multiple pages of intrigue / diplomacy discussion by a bunch of people who never engaged in this at all, two of whom not even being that regular posters.


Finally.

*fills himself a glass of whiskey*

*fills another one and shoves it vaguely in Snowfires direction*

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I loled.

@Azel @Snowfire all my hugs guys. Stay sane.

Crake said:
Yes, I think we need to re-prioritize in light of new information regarding Small Council placements.
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I wouldn't mind putting more time into westeros.

Crake said:
I swear, I thought I was going crazy for months, saying insane shit like people literally just hiveminding, but it is hard to reconcile the idea that anyone gives a crap about their vote if they're just gonna throw it around on the first "serious" idea that gets presented, based all on the idea of credibility or trust.

Yes, trust that a person is presenting an idea earnestly trying to advance a goal, but don't blindly trust it will actually do that with no rational thought put towards the possible outcomes of following through on it.

I am not full of shit, people aren't exercising their brains enough around here. There shouldn't be 30+ votes flying back and forth where only two people are driving discussion throughout the entire vote, and no one is presenting alternative, and not just alternative, but completely on a different paradigm scale of intent, vote and attempting to pull discussion back towards what we came here for in the first place, not making some stand out of a random vote in a daisy chain of intrigue, something I'd ordinarily find enjoyable if it wasn't for situations like this.
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Suggesting Azel move to the DM chair with DP wasn't me meme voting. I think there's some serious kerit to the idea. I also think Azel would enjoy it.

Anyway. Mmmmm. What do we have Malarys on...

Dragon orb, damn.

Hmm... I... we've been ignoring westeros because its a mess, and damn. When we showed up it was a mess.

:eyeroll:
*Snaps own neck*

Let's do this.

How about finally getting in integrated into blood raven network? We know he does a shit ton here, but we don't actually have access to... Any of his assets really. That could help.

Before we move on Westeros we also really need to get in contact with all the Targ loyalists still kicking. This will let us project power easier and cut down on chaos when the invasion happens.

I feel like both of these are important enough that we should consider them for next turn.

Especially blood raven. We don't need to set up a spy network in WS we have one. Technically.
 
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Um, how did stealing a cat get to false memory implantation and false flagging?

Look let's just take the damn cat and move on, a toddler is not a credible witness no matter what their breeding or what they might claim to have seen.

I mean there was a 7 to 8 year old girl (a paladin for the Seven if I'm not mistaken) who regularly saw an imp and wasn't believed until she got tired of talking and shanked the bitch herself.

A toddler is of no use to us. Put her to sleep, grab the cat, loot the place, kill the spider, possibly shit in the Usurper's wine and beer stash if we have the time, and get out while the getting's good.
 
Evaunit02mark1 said:
Um, how did stealing a cat get to false memory implantation and false flagging?

Look let's just take the damn cat and move on, a toddler is not a credible witness no matter what their breeding or what they might claim to have seen.

I mean there was a 7 to 8 year old girl (a paladin for the Seven if I'm not mistaken) who regularly saw an imp and wasn't believed until she got tired of talking and shanked the bitch herself.

A toddler is of no use to us. Put her to sleep, grab the cat, loot the place, kill the spider, possibly shit in the Usurper's wine and beer stash if we have the time, and get out while the getting's good.
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Brienne is 13.
 
Crake said:
Brienne is 13.
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Which only makes my point stronger.

Westerosi don't care what their children think they saw, only that they do what they're told when they're told to.

The girl was 13 years old, told people weird shit was going down, and instead of thinking 'Hmm she might be onto something, maybe we should get a priest in here to check or something' they go "Oh well obviously you're just having fancies like the weak thing you are, why don't you go inside and embroider a sheet."

A toddler saying that a weird man was muttering in a room by himself would only get a side-eyed glance and a nap, if she could even articulate that much to begin with.
 
chryssalideater said:
@Azel theoreticals are one thing, but assurances would be nice @DragonParadox Sorry to bug you over something like this, but is there a way to modify the memory so it would fade out at an accelerating rate/dampen the emotional impact? Memories get less painful over time, so basically a way of speeding that process up/having it be like that already.
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She is a three year old. Her age alone would guarantee that she will forget quickly compared to an adult. Otherwise no, there's a limit to how many contingencies you can pout in a modify memory spell before it get's really noticeable.

Azel said:
Well. Multiple pages of intrigue / diplomacy discussion by a bunch of people who never engaged in this at all, two of whom not even being that regular posters.


Finally.

*fills himself a glass of whiskey*

*fills another one and shoves it vaguely in Snowfires direction*

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OK, just to be sure, and because the thought of loosing you as a poster is upsetting to me considering all you have done to make this thread the great experience it is to me and others, you are just stepping out of the arc not the thread, right?
 
TalonofAnathrax said:
This is amazingly savage. Our upper administrative head thinks of the proud Westerosi nobility in the same sentence as the fucking savages?
:D

We're going to be having some great interludes when we integrate Westeros into the Empire, aren't we?
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It's not like Westeros has a much better view of Essos, and I would say they are about equally right, or at least were prior to our takeover, Westeros is indeed more primitive than Essos, and Essos was indeed a den of a den of depravity, far beyond anything seen in Westeros.

Also on all this talk about preventing the Stormlands from marching on us, I will say that the easiest way to avoid that, is to start the war by challenging Robert to a duel, the Lannisters will obviously fight us anyway, but Stannis would see the outcome of an official duel as lawful, and so as long as we can beat Robert, we could at minimum have the Stormlands staying out of the war, we would of course have to make it clear, that we are allowed to use magic, as that's how we fight, but Robert is arrogant enough, that he would agree to a no rule 1v1 duel with us, then we just have to beat him, and the Stormlands abstain from the war for sure, the North almost certainly do as well, the Crownlands are likely to stick with the decision, I have no idea about the Reach, but it's Fae infested, so there's a good chance they will abide by the outcome of a duel to decide the rightful king, simply because the Fae are anal about such things, the Vale I don't know either, if it was an old style duel they would abide in all likelihood, but as it would be a no hold barred magic versus melee duel, I'm not sure if they would acknowledge the results, who knows what the Riverlands will do I certainly don't, and the Westerlands are near certain to oppose us anyway, but winning a duel against Robert, would have about half of Westeros abstaining from fighting us.

[x] Snowfire

I must say I just don't care about Stannis being elected to the Small council, as my ideal opening move to the war, is sending Robert an offer for a duel, either by champion if he refuses a no hold barred duel, or us VS him, if he accept that we will be using magic.

And if we win that duel(which I give us 90% chance or more of) well all the ones who don't really want to fight us, will have a legal reason to just surrender.
 
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I am seriously tempted to just 1v1 him.

It's not even that terrible an opening move (public acts of war I mean).

Decapitate enemy leadership and morale. Especially if we can reveal the kid aren't even his.
 
Hi everyone.
After months of reading I've finally caught up with this thread and first of all, I want to thank and congratulate DP. As someone who loves both D&D and Fanfiction, this story combines everything I love about both of them. You've seemlessly integrated the D&D setting with the ASOIAF setting. Even if this were "only" a regular fanfic I'd love it. That fact that you' ve managed to achieve this level of writing quality in a Quest is astonishing to me.

That said, I'm looking forward to contributing to the voting from now on. There seems to be quite a heated discussion going on right now. I have to say, I largely agree with those who feel that protecting children has always been one of the cornerstones of Visery's characterization in this story. As such, I'm voting for plan:

[X] Snowfire
 
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UmeII said:
Hi everyone.
After months of reading I've finally caught up with this thread and first of all, I want to thank and congratulate DP. As someone who loves both D&D and Fanfiction, this story combines everything I love about both of them. You've seemlessly integrated the D&D setting with ASOIAF setting. Even if this were "only" a regular fanfic I'd love it. That fact that you' ve managed to achieve this level of writing quality in a Quest is astonishing to me.

That said, I'm looking forward to contributing to the voting from now on. There seems to be quite a heated discussion going on right now. I have to say, I largely agree with those who feel that protecting children has always been one of the cornerstones of Visery's characterization in this story. As such, I'm voting for plan snowfire. [x]
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Saving this in it's original form because it was just too precious :V
 
I am not to worried about being "forced" to kill Stannis if he takes the field against us anyway.
We have captured him before, we can do it again.

There is nothing making us kill everyone we fight against, or forcing us to exececute prisoners who have commited no crime other than choosing the wrong side.
 
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