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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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065tdsa said:
Eh, Stannis doesn't strike as the type to appreciate something like that too much. We'd need to help, not do his job for him. The difference would matter since he does have his pride.

Or you know, imprison them. Maybe even kill them but I'd frankly feel bad.
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I'm onboard for using the Inquisition and some PCs to coordinate with Davos, for example. Use the PCs to identify ALL the threats, then hand off the intelligence, and offer strike teams that are deniable, but too vital to the timeframe for Stannis to turn down out of hand.
 
Crake said:
I'm onboard for using the Inquisition and some PCs to coordinate with Davos, for example. Use the PCs to identify ALL the threats, then hand off the intelligence, and offer strike teams that are deniable, but too vital to the timeframe for Stannis to turn down out of hand.
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We should also see if Stannis has some semblance of our Inquisition in play at the moment. I think he was trying to do something similar by how he recruited the surviving alchemists to serve as magic users, and maybe got some man-at-arms to go and actually fight some of the threats they could handle. If he does have a pseudo-Inquisition maybe we could outfit them with some gear? @Duesal @Goldfish that sound feasible?
 
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Crake said:
To add to the above, I don't mean another PR campaign, I mean a stealth operation, go in, take out bad guys, drop the corpses off and any actionable intel, coordinate with Davos through proxies, really show them our previous point isn't just hot air.
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It's not unreasonable. Oddly enough, it might really be the only way to flatter Stannis: by showing we prioritize the job over public thanks. That said, @Duesal is right. We still need to fuck things up on Robert/Cersei's end, or at the very least make it non-viable for Stannis to be recruited.

I think our strongest way to do that might actually be through heavily connecting him to magic, then leaning on the faith to get him disqualified: This sets up a scenario in which the reason he is removed under Roberts rule becomes the reason he is qualified to stick around under our Imperium, meaning we don't sabotage Stannis's reputation in the long term.

EDIT: Alright, I've mainly participated in the abstract. Can anyone point me towards how we plan actions? It seems a brief trip to Storm's End is probably going to be in order at some point.

My Current plan as of this time is to
  1. Complete our espionage into Varys
  2. Delegate the task of rumor collection and setting up spies in King's Landing to some companions.
  3. Gather intel at storm's end about any potential rumors/threats
  4. Re-asses the situation from there.

Also, this is going to be hilarious in canon: Viserys just trying to grab this cat and the second he see's Myrcella he goes OH SHIT STANNIS I FORGOT ABOUT HIM and then double's down on dealing with that.
 
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Dracikral said:
We should also see if Stannis has some semblance of our Inquisition in play at the moment. I think he was trying to do something similar by how he recruited the surviving alchemists to serve as magic users, and maybe got some man-at-arms to go and actually fight some of the threats they could handle. If he does have a pseudo-Inquisition maybe we could outfit them with some gear? @Duesal @Goldfish that sound feasible?
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This has a point of failure, unfortunately. Stannis is weird. He's accepted that Viserys is the ultimate defense of Westeros against the supernatural, but he's still got an issue with accepting direct help. We saw this when he sent Davos to Sorcerer's Deep to buy alchemical goods to try to replicate. If Davos had come to us we'd have probably outfitted him with gear on a whim, but he didn't. He came in through stealth, hoping not to be noticed. This leads me to believe that he'll continue to be weird about it if we go to him and try to offer his subordinates gear.
 
chryssalideater said:
It's not unreasonable. Oddly enough, it might really be the only way to flatter Stannis: by showing we prioritize the job over public thanks. That said, @Duesal is right. We still need to fuck things up on Robert/Cersei's end, or at the very least make it non-viable for Stannis to be recruited.

I think our strongest way to do that might actually be through heavily connecting him to magic, then leaning on the faith to get him disqualified: This sets up a scenario in which the reason he is removed under Roberts rule becomes the reason he is qualified to stick around under our Imperium, meaning we don't sabotage Stannis's reputation in the long term.
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I'm kinda leery of leaning on the Faith for anything concrete at the moment. We're in the process of creating a schism in their faith, and I'm expecting the Faith on Westeros to double down hard on everything anti-magic in order to distance themselves from the "heretics" that we invited to Sorcerer's Deep. I'm quite afraid they might actually take matters into their own hands and start causing trouble for the Stormlands and Stannis that won't be too easy to recover from. Honestly I quite like the simple meeting with Stannis (doesn't have to be on the Wall could be in the Stormlands) along with causing a division between the Lannisters (a.k.a. Cersei) and Stannis.
 
Duesal said:
This has a point of failure, unfortunately. Stannis is weird. He's accepted that Viserys is the ultimate defense of Westeros against the supernatural, but he's still got an issue with accepting direct help. We saw this when he sent Davos to Sorcerer's Deep to buy alchemical goods to try to replicate. If Davos had come to us we'd have probably outfitted him with gear on a whim, but he didn't. He came in through stealth, hoping not to be noticed. This leads me to believe that he'll continue to be weird about it if we go to him and try to offer his subordinates gear.
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Could we sell it to him at a discounted price? That way he's still getting the gear but since he's paying for it it's not a gift.
 
chryssalideater said:
It's not unreasonable. Oddly enough, it might really be the only way to flatter Stannis: by showing we prioritize the job over public thanks. That said, @Duesal is right. We still need to fuck things up on Robert/Cersei's end, or at the very least make it non-viable for Stannis to be recruited.

I think our strongest way to do that might actually be through heavily connecting him to magic, then leaning on the faith to get him disqualified: This sets up a scenario in which the reason he is removed under Roberts rule becomes the reason he is qualified to stick around under our Imperium, meaning we don't sabotage Stannis's reputation in the long term.

EDIT: Alright, I've mainly participated in the abstract. Can anyone point me towards how we plan actions? It seems a brief trip to Storm's End is probably going to be in order at some point.

My Current plan as of this time is to
  1. Complete our espionage into Varys
  2. Delegate the task of rumor collection and setting up spies in King's Landing to some companions.
  3. Gather intel at storm's end about any potential rumors/threats
  4. Re-asses the situation from there.

Also, this is going to be hilarious in canon: Viserys just trying to grab this cat and the second he see's Myrcella he goes OH SHIT STANNIS I FORGOT ABOUT HIM and then double's down on dealing with that.
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Yes, I think we need to re-prioritize in light of new information regarding Small Council placements.
 
Dracikral said:
Could we sell it to him at a discounted price? That way he's still getting the gear but since he's paying for it it's not a gift.
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Selling is a maybe. Could work out, especially if he was made aware of the impending Deep Ones invasion. Maybe even giving him a Sending Stone so he can immediately call us if they ever go after Storm's End in force.
 
chryssalideater said:
Potentially iffy. You know how westerners are with the whole trading thing.
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True but I believe Stannis is either
a.) Pragmatic enough to take the offer
b.) Westeros enough that he doesn't actually know the price.

We could even negotiate with Davos if we wanted to, let Stannis think that Davos was the one resourceful enough to get all the gear. It'd help Davos's opinion of us at the least.
 
Dracikral said:
Could we sell it to him at a discounted price? That way he's still getting the gear but since he's paying for it it's not a gift.
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Not reading into Stannis psychology enough. Sell at market price, and make suggestions about what he'd get the most use out of, and the least.

He would appreciate both not trying to give charity, and also the practical side of things.
 
So that said; @Azel what are were you planning for Littlefinger in specific. We're probably not going to resolve the situation with Varys immediately, but we might need to set some stuff up and get the ball rolling depending on what we find.

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Dracikral said:
True but I believe Stannis is either
a.) Pragmatic enough to take the offer
b.) Westeros enough that he doesn't actually know the price.

We could even negotiate with Davos if we wanted to, let Stannis think that Davos was the one resourceful enough to get all the gear. It'd help Davos's opinion of us at the least.
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Crake said:
Not reading into Stannis psychology enough. Sell at market price, and make suggestions about what he'd get the most use out of, and the least.

He would appreciate both not trying to give charity, and also the practical side of things.
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Maybe a combination of the two? Contact Davos and have him set things up under Stannis's terms?
 
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Also @chryssalideater this is our Turn Plan Accounting. The Strategic Rules are at the front of the thread. If there's anything I can do to help please let me know. We're currently on the 8th Month so next turn hasn't come up yet, but it helps to keep an idea of what you want to be done when next Month rolls around.
 
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chryssalideater said:
So that said; @Azel what are were you planning for Littlefinger in specific. We're probably not going to resolve the situation with Varys immediately, but we might need to set some stuff up and get the ball rolling depending on what we find.

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Maybe a combination of the two? Contact Davos and have him set things up under Stannis's terms?
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Have Davos smuggle magic items, bought legally from us, Dread Sorcerer Viserys Targaryen, for Stannis Baratheon.

I think we could frame the offer a little better than that. :V
 
Crake said:
Have Davos smuggle magic items, bought legally from us, Dread Sorcerer Viserys Targaryen, for Stannis Baratheon.

I think we could frame the offer a little better than that. :V
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Honestly the fact that Davos under the order of Stannis bought items from Viserys rather than the Lannisters is going to piss Cersei and Tywin off something fierce.

And on that happy note I should probably get to bed. I got class in the morning.
 
I will be honest, the idea to implant a fake memory on a toddler to make people belive Stannis is complicit in demon-summoning... And that that will simply lead to a fallout between him and Bobby... Well, it's the kind of thing I'd expect to see spit-balled just because. But not really get almost twenty votes.

There's the moral argument... But also the fact that this is has more holes than Swiss cheese.
 
TotallyNotEvil said:
I will be honest, the idea to implant a fake memory on a toddler to make people belive Stannis is complicit in demon-summoning... Well, it's the kind of thing I'd expect to see spit-balled just because. But not really get almost twenty votes.

There's the moral argument... But also the fact that this is has more holes than Swiss cheese.
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I swear, I thought I was going crazy for months, saying insane shit like people literally just hiveminding, but it is hard to reconcile the idea that anyone gives a crap about their vote if they're just gonna throw it around on the first "serious" idea that gets presented, based all on the idea of credibility or trust.

Yes, trust that a person is presenting an idea earnestly trying to advance a goal, but don't blindly trust it will actually do that with no rational thought put towards the possible outcomes of following through on it.

I am not full of shit, people aren't exercising their brains enough around here. There shouldn't be 30+ votes flying back and forth where only two people are driving discussion throughout the entire vote, and no one is presenting alternative, and not just alternative, but completely on a different paradigm scale of intent, vote and attempting to pull discussion back towards what we came here for in the first place, not making some stand out of a random vote in a daisy chain of intrigue, something I'd ordinarily find enjoyable if it wasn't for situations like this.
 
*rises from the cold after a nice shower*
*sees new contender*

So we aren't killing/capturing Varys this time around? Because if not then I am very disappointed.
 
chryssalideater said:
So that said; @Azel what are were you planning for Littlefinger in specific. We're probably not going to resolve the situation with Varys immediately, but we might need to set some stuff up and get the ball rolling depending on what we find.
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Cooperate with him under the false pretence of representing a anti-Viserys faction from Slavers Bay that is looking for influence in Westeros. See where to go from there. Preferably sabotage the finances of Robert and Tywin by creative schemes.

Bug TNE and Tomcost on ideas how to really tank a government's coffers.
 
Azel said:
Cooperate with him under the false pretence of representing a anti-Viserys faction from Slavers Bay that is looking for influence in Westeros. See where to go from there. Preferably sabotage the finances of Robert and Tywin by creative schemes.

Bug TNE and Tomcost on ideas how to really tank a government's coffers.
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So tank the coffers, but control the scheme which tanks it so that the water can be put back in the fish bowl? I like it.
 
Azel said:
Cooperate with him under the false pretence of representing a anti-Viserys faction from Slavers Bay that is looking for influence in Westeros. See where to go from there. Preferably sabotage the finances of Robert and Tywin by creative schemes.

Bug TNE and Tomcost on ideas how to really tank a government's coffers.
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So, an anti-Viserys faction in the east.

Would the Golden Company work? They don't like us, and given the whole thing with Varys, it would be a nice way to throw him under the bus and get said bus rolling.
 
So, get Viserys to take an Intrigue action next turn in the Stormlands, have Maelor take an action setting up for Varys' downfall, find a way to link the two together? That work for people?
 
chryssalideater said:
So, an anti-Viserys faction in the east.

Would the Golden Company work? They don't like us, and given the whole thing with Varys, it would be a nice way to throw him under the bus and get said bus rolling.
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The Golden Company at this point is a non-entity, no one knows about our enmity with them for the most part, even the recruits we picked up in Sallosh aren't aware that we slaughtered an entire expedition of them.

Slaver's Bay however is a hot button issue for us, people know we've been fighting them at sea, and have just integrated allies who have repelled multiple invasions from them.

We can take advantage of any intrigue here because they are in our sphere of influence. GC aren't.
 
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