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We have enough griffins and hippogriffs to equip a few knights just fine.
A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover
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I can't help but picture a traditional knight waiting to tilt against his opponent as a scream descends from above a very curious shadow growing larger and larger.
Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
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- Formerly of the Far Realm
I don't see how Bloodfreeze Arrow is all that useful. Garin has better ranged spell options than to worry about breaking out his rarely used crossbow. Implacable Pursuer isn't spectacular, but it is really thematic to Garin's build and character, IMO.
@Azel Can you include this in your plan?
[] Garin Level Up
-[] Class: +1 Twilight Hunter
-[] Feat: Staggering Strike
-[] Skills (9 points): +1 Hide, +1 Move Silently, +1 Sense Motive, +1 Spot, +5 Concentration
-[] Spells:
--[] 1st Level: Alibi
--[] 3rd Level: Nightmare Terrain
--[] 4th Level: Implacable Pursuer
While I work on the interlude here's the Scholarum illustration of a Darkenbeast:
Many thanks to @Evaunit02mark1 for finding the original picture.
Many thanks to @Evaunit02mark1 for finding the original picture.
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In comparison to Darkenbeasts, Hippogriffs are weaker, harder to train and much, much costlier to maintain.
They are a strictly and significantly worse option for the Legion.
And we already got enough to equip the knights we will recruit in the festival.
So I'm not seeing any reason to buy any, let alone 350 of them.
egoo
Totally Not Creating Problems Where None Existed
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- Russia
Rule of cool.
They look much better than Darkenbeasts, after all ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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- France
1. Cool factor.
2. Backup. A simple "kill Darkenbeasts" bioweapon and we lose our entire air force (at least until we get enough Moonchasers), and all Darkenbeasts are made from a very similar template.
Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
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Okay, here's what I have for Baella, @tarrangar. It totals up to 25,055 IM, slightly over the 24,000 IM you budgeted for her.
According to DP, she has four available magic item slots; one for her head, one for each flipper, and one for her tail.
Constant Cloud Wings and Channel Vigor increase her flight speed from 20 to 80, equal to the flight speed of an Efreeti whaling ship (they have flight speed 80 w/Average maneuverability). When she doesn't need the Haste effect from Channel Vigor, she can switch it to provide other bonuses which might be more applicable to the situation.
She can use her 1/Day Aerial Alacrity & Greater Wings of Air flipper ring to increase her speed to 110 and her maneuverability from Clumsy to Good, meaning that for seven minutes she can literally fly rings around whaling ships. 1/Day Wind Walk lasts for 11 hours and increases her flight speed to 600, allowing her to cover great distances and to outrun a large whaling fleet she can't hope to defeat. She can also apply the Wind Walk effect to up to three additional targets.
The Soulfire enchantment protects against too many effects the Efreeti might use against her for Baella not to have it. She has Scintillating Scales to transform her huge Natural Armor bonus into a Deflection bonus, raising her Touch AC from 4 to 31. The Deflection bonus is better than the Natural Armor bonus in every possible way and well worth the expense.
And giving her a PfE effect is just par for the course. The minor stat boosts and additional Resistance bonus further increase her resilience.
Baella Before Items:
For the standard Fire Whale, a much cheaper but still effective item package would include:
This would increase their speed from 20 to 50, and they can activate Aerial Alacrity and Greater Wings of Air 1/Day for seven minutes to increase that to a flight speed of 80 with Good maneuverability. Not fast enough to outrun an Efreeti whaling ship, but it would enable them to engage them much more evenly in combat.
Eventually, a pod of Fire Whales should be able to afford to outfit all of its members with these three items.
Before:
According to DP, she has four available magic item slots; one for her head, one for each flipper, and one for her tail.
Constant Cloud Wings and Channel Vigor increase her flight speed from 20 to 80, equal to the flight speed of an Efreeti whaling ship (they have flight speed 80 w/Average maneuverability). When she doesn't need the Haste effect from Channel Vigor, she can switch it to provide other bonuses which might be more applicable to the situation.
She can use her 1/Day Aerial Alacrity & Greater Wings of Air flipper ring to increase her speed to 110 and her maneuverability from Clumsy to Good, meaning that for seven minutes she can literally fly rings around whaling ships. 1/Day Wind Walk lasts for 11 hours and increases her flight speed to 600, allowing her to cover great distances and to outrun a large whaling fleet she can't hope to defeat. She can also apply the Wind Walk effect to up to three additional targets.
The Soulfire enchantment protects against too many effects the Efreeti might use against her for Baella not to have it. She has Scintillating Scales to transform her huge Natural Armor bonus into a Deflection bonus, raising her Touch AC from 4 to 31. The Deflection bonus is better than the Natural Armor bonus in every possible way and well worth the expense.
And giving her a PfE effect is just par for the course. The minor stat boosts and additional Resistance bonus further increase her resilience.
Baella Before Items:
Baella After Items: Includes Haste effect from Channel Vigor, but not the 1/Day effects of Aerial Alacrity
For the standard Fire Whale, a much cheaper but still effective item package would include:
This would increase their speed from 20 to 50, and they can activate Aerial Alacrity and Greater Wings of Air 1/Day for seven minutes to increase that to a flight speed of 80 with Good maneuverability. Not fast enough to outrun an Efreeti whaling ship, but it would enable them to engage them much more evenly in combat.
Eventually, a pod of Fire Whales should be able to afford to outfit all of its members with these three items.
Before:
After: Assumes their enemies are Evil to include PfE effects
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Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
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I agree completely, but it wouldn't hurt to buy a smaller number. Even a few dozen would significantly increase our breeding population and allow us to produce our own in just a couple years time.
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Azel's argument is basically 'Darkenbeasts are superior, we don't need any Hippogriffs'.
Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
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I know. It was my argument before it was Azel's.
That doesn't mean Hippogriffs are useless, though. They have a place in the civilian market, if nothing else, and are slightly less terrifying to behold, so that might be helpful sometime as well.
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[X] Goldfish
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- Germany
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See, that's an argument that counters the 'darkenbeasts are always superior'. 'It doesn't hurt to buy some' isn't, as it costs money.
Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
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- Formerly of the Far Realm
Darkenbeasts are military aircraft with deadly poison breath. You wouldn't sale that to Joe Schmoe who has some disposable income and has always wanted to fly. Instead, you sale him the much less dangerous Hippogriff, which doesn't have the ability to kill a crowd of people if he accidentally gives it the wrong command.
Actually, @Azel, how about we start another company, or just add a new division to one that already exists? There are tons of wealthy folks in Essos and Westeros who would pay through the nose for a trained Hippogriff. The upcoming festival would be an excellent place to advertise them. We could probably sale quite a few of them there, too.
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With the planar markets opening to Planetos there is no real way for us to set up an industry for this. It will take more then a year before breeding programs we set up could produce Hippogriffs for sale, but people can buy them in the PoA just fine in the meantime.
Interlude in beta.
Interlude CCCLXII: Warrior's Lessons
Warrior's Lessons
Seventh Day of the Eighth Month 293 AC
Adarar Sanin had always known that he was unusual as far as slaves went, lucky. He had been picked out at a young age as being cleverer than his peers, at least as far as the masters cared about it, which meant always giving the answers they wanted to hear and never speaking out of turn just as his father had taught him. Not for nothing had his old man been an overseer and majordomo. When the fever finally took him 'Trusty' San died in a bed with a healer at his side, not tossed out to rot in the slave shacks, but that did not mean he liked the masters no more than his son did. The day he died his father had told Adarar: "Listen here, boy, I taught you to live as well as a slave can, but if you ever get the chance to be free, really truly free and not just meat for the dogs, you take it with both hands and you run."
When the day had come Adarar had not run he had ridden, since his master had trusted him so far as to have him taught to ride to carry messages across the widely separated estates. He had not ridden far, though, not to the city or the sea, only as far as the company of men flying the dragon banner, only as far as the Legion. He had never looked back to the small estate in the hills by the Greywater, and now it was his turn to help some other slaves shake off their chains, his turn to keep the Dragon King's peace.
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A strange guttural roar jarred him from his thoughts, half way between an angry steer and a snake followed a moment later by another more doglike one. Not this shit again, he thought as he set off running across the dirt path between the tents.
He arrived to find two of his squad's Darkenbeast fighting over a hunk of meat in the drill square, Vargen's and Harla's of course. Both wolf-heads, both with new riders, and worst yet young riders.
Going over to the smaller of the two beasts, Adarar grabbed it behind the head and started pushing its face towards the ground, the sort of thing that would get your hand bitten off if you tried it with most dogs, but the strange winged beasts had been grown somehow to recognize men as dominant when they were familiar and handled them just right. Of course it wasn't exactly fun to do it this way. The spore sacks would always open a little setting your eyes stinging and your throat burning, but he would just have to handle it until Vargen's voice finally changed all the bloody way.
"Broke-Tooth! Heel! Heel!" Harla called the other beast off, the creature backing off at once at the sound of its mistress' voice. Worked like a charm of course since that was part of the magic that made them too. Once they got used to a rider's voice his or her commands would cause the mount to feel pleasure or pain depending on the rider's tone.
"I'm sorry, sir, it won't happen again..." the girl gasped as Adarar finally forced the recalcitrant beast's head into the ground, gentling it.
"Not your fault," he grunted. "Squad mismatch, too many wolf-bloods, and we're all still training."
"Yes, sir..." she hesitated.
"Spit it out, I'm not going to bite your head off," Adarar said, dusting himself off.
"All this training is more for us than for them, isn't it? They have just been made to listen to us, right?"
"Yeah," the officer nodded, unsure of where this was going. It was a bloody good thing they didn't have to train the beasts the way you would a horse. Getting tossed out of the saddle five-hundred feet up because something spooked his mount was not something Adarar liked to contemplate.
"Have you ever thought that the King could just have made them smarter and just as obedient..." Harla swallowed. "Better slaves, like the magisters wanted."
The others who had come out to see what the ruckus was about seemed shocked, one man even started to heckle the girl. You didn't do well to criticize the King in a Legion camp. Still, Adarar saw the real fear in the girl's eyes. He stared down the heckler then turned to answer her. "You remember when we were out by Eel Point? With that old bastard who was shaking in his boots that we were just going to loot everything that wasn't nailed down and kill his kin in the bargain? Was it fair for him to think so, d'you think?"
"No, sir," the young rider answered at once.
"Why not? We had weapons and armor, hell we even had a wizard with us. We could've done everything he was scared of," Adarar pressed.
"Oh... oh," Harla blushed and ducked her head. "You mean that we should judge the King by how he acts, not what he could do."
Adarar nodded satisfied. "That's right, the real difference between us and the bloody House guards that roamed around here isn't the weapons we hold, it ain't what we ride, it's what we choose to stand for, and that's what makes the King great, too. Now get back to weapon cleaning, all of you!" he finished to all the onlookers
OOC: Another look into the inner lives of the Legionnaires as well as an IC presentation of Darkenbeasts.
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And that should show the city having expanded after the recent immigration actions. Are those red blocks in the right places for the Sept and where the palace will be built?Map version 21.
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tarrangar
Fat arctic chicken
Um I didn't ask you to design items for Baella, I asked you to design an effective gearset for an average Fire Whale, so those few amongst them who want to fight could have the best chance.
I see you did design for them as well, and that design is awesome, but I wont take responsibility for asking you to design for Baella(by which I mean I wont take responsibility for setting that budget, I have no idea what Baella's budget is, I calculated the average budget of a Whale pod)
Your gearset for average Whales are great, and not all that expensive, a pod of 20 has an average income of 14k before harvesting fees, so they can afford to outfit 3 Whales a month, they can have all their members outfitted within a year.
A pod can pay for the full outfit within a year, and from there they can begin upgrading, these Whales are going to become a power in the POF.
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