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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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The incautious ship sailed for me when TNE elected not to put mage armor on our unarmed allie way back in braavos.

Y'all are reckless. Even when it's not for much pay off.

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@dpara it's safe to assume thats just true.

He's conceptually hooked up to everything Valyrian it makes sense Valyrian steel Would count
 
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lockingbane said:
Divine power is hardly a rarity with all the gods waking up though.
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DP outright confirmed that, had we lost against Mammon, Yss would have tried his level best to bring us back and I sincerely doubt that the Old Gods would sit by either. So you will probably have to exert yourself to make it stick, even as a god.

I'm honestly not sure what and why you are arguing at this point.
 
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lockingbane said:
.... you guys LITERALLY SAID "We cannot die" and "We are immortal". Kind of hard to misread that.



More like a kind of "evolved" fire spirit that was mutated and warped by faith until it became something new. It isnt a high level fire spirit, but a being fueled by faith and utterly warped by it.

I now understand DP is doing a different kind of god ascension but that kind was what i had known all the years of playing dnd.

It is pretty obvious i am very confused about this whole deal since it is not what i had known.

Whole new system for me to try and puzzle out ya know?
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The system I'm describing is literally the same you are. It's just that I'm emphasizing the fact that Gods don't have physical bodies. They can make one appear (see the official Deities and Demigods splatbook) and that makes them vulnerable, but unless you can trick them/force them into doing that then a God is a sort of living idea that grants spells to worshipers that follow the idea's preferred way of life and conduct the appropriate rites.
 
LonelyWolf999 said:
[X] Azel

While the Lantern Bearers and the Maesters are in alliance, I doubt it's anything but one of convenience. Wouldn't it be a shame if some other organization stepped in and offered a better deal?
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I believe that the Lantern Bearers are Maesters. Or at least so much of their resources and manpower are provided by and them and the Citadel that it makes little difference in the end.
 
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TalonofAnathrax said:
It's just that I'm emphasizing the fact that Gods don't have physical bodies
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Ah, that is where the difference is then. The way my GMs had always done it the gods have their own divine realm that they will never leave willingly. They instead send out kind of secondary bodies which they remotely control. They CAN manifest fully outside it but doing so makes them vulnerable to truly dying.

Crake said:
No, now stop being a pedant.
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Dude, I am just saying that Immortal means "cannot die" while ageless means "cannot age". We are clearly in the latter catagory, thus ageless.


LonelyWolf999 said:
@lockingbane - what exactly are you even arguing at this point?
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*Pauses for a moment*

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Right now the terminology and implications of "immortal" vs "Ageless" and explaining the way gods had been explained to me for the last 7 years of playing dnd accross around 23 different GMs.
 
Azel said:
[X] Plan Groundwork
-[X] "I must admit some degree of ignorance on your order. Your goals are clear enough and laudable at that, so I'm not uninclined to offer some substantial aid, though..." Glance meaningfully to the maester. "There are some doubts about the company you keep."
-[X] "If you would be so kind to tell me more about your order and yourself, I'm sure that we can find some common ground."

Need some intel for a good offer. I'm suspecting that they rely on the Maesters for magical support, so we might be able to talk them around to look for other backers. Especially as this whole situation is a pretty clear sign that the alliance with the Maesters could get them into serious shit with someone they don't want among their enemies.
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He is mercanry, weather driven buy a need for gold to do adveunturing or direct greed. I suggest adding a straight up bribe + polite, obvious fiction, in money, with a hint that the information will allow us to assist nobel and virtuous duty protecting the innocent in the form of esoteric/magical resources. He's not going to be any good to the world if he's dead or worse because he didn't have a tool that he needed, rather than risk coming across as blaming his order for the unfortunate consequences of political games.

Alternatively inserted of company you keep, perhaps: "the company that has been forced upon you" or equivalent. This situation with the actions of his order isn't his fault, or the fault of his order, ('cuz politics) and we're on his side here and the other usual sort of warm fuzzy stuff. It's easy 'cuz it's true.

Same thrust as your vote, but nicer and gives him a bit of cash* and hints he's got the possibility of some useful pay

*No idea how much.
 
lockingbane said:
Right now the terminology and implications of "immortal" vs "Ageless" and explaining the way gods had been explained to me for the last 7 years of playing dnd accross around 23 different GMs.
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Oh, I guess then the answer is "by virtue of being a dragon Viserys is functionally ageless" (though there seem to plans for some mythic ability agelessness in the works?)

Unless you mean that in terms of immortality "Viserys is pretty near impossible to crack", I can think of next to no non cheese way to take him down, you have to have higher numbers which is tough when trying to be CR appropriate. The last time I remember Viserys got "annuled" was the fire immune swarm, which I found really inspired, though negated now since we have wish & ignore-fire-immunity.

mmh maybe grappling.
 
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Azel said:
[X] Plan Groundwork
-[X] "I must admit some degree of ignorance on your order. Your goals are clear enough and laudable at that, so I'm not uninclined to offer some substantial aid, though..." Glance meaningfully to the maester. "There are some doubts about the company you keep."
-[X] "If you would be so kind to tell me more about your order and yourself, I'm sure that we can find some common ground."

Need some intel for a good offer. I'm suspecting that they rely on the Maesters for magical support, so we might be able to talk them around to look for other backers. Especially as this whole situation is a pretty clear sign that the alliance with the Maesters could get them into serious shit with someone they don't want among their enemies.
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Who put Orders/Organizations as potential loot again?
 
LonelyWolf999 said:
What? Since when? I thought he was a Lantern Bearer.
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Ahhh, poor word choice, I mean he's grasping for what he can get, will act in certain ways for various pay. That's why I said mercenary....

Which basically applies to people with a job. Oops :oops:

Basically, money now and promise of items after we get good info are a HUGE carrot, like super effective imo, that's what I was trying to get across.
 
lockingbane said:
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Right now the terminology and implications of "immortal" vs "Ageless" and explaining the way gods had been explained to me for the last 7 years of playing dnd accross around 23 different GMs.
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Huh. 23 different GMs? Damn!
Yeah, in the basic 3.X (planar books, Deities and Demigods) and 4e rulebooks (Underdark book especially) Gods were implied to usually not have a physical form at all, yet also have a personal realm populated by their servants, in which their powers were greater and were the souls of their worshipers eventually went.
Deities and Demigods statted the Gods while explicitly saying that they usually had no physical form. Underdark explicitly had long rituals required to make Gods coalesce into a form that could be directly killed (and not just sucked dry of power). Planar Handbook had stuff about the divine domains in the outer planes that was ambiguous.

I like the "they're stuck in their divine realm interpretation" though. IT makes god-killing easier for barbarians and all that: no more long rituals to summon them or tricks to getting them to materialize in an avatar now! Just Wish yourself there and start punching!

EDIT: Faerun was weird about gods in 3.5 though. Maybe things were different in its sourcebooks? It had its own cosmology and divine cosmic events after all.

lockingbane said:
Um, okay? Kind of confused about why though.
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Huh. Good point.
I think that their point is that we have fallen into the basic trap of internet arguments: forgetting the original point and arguing over details.
 
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