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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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I'd prefer to be bound by the clear laws of an immortal lord than the inescapable bargain made to the fey when consent is not free or enlightened.
In the first I can become a criminal, in the latter I am effectively a slave.
 
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spiritualatheist said:
So maybe dismiss her argument with something like "all here know the prosperity my rule brings; far better the constancy of dragons than the fickleness of fey. Your lands are storied, but not all stories have happy endings."
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To continue,
"But we are not speaking of whether these men would rather bend the knee to Dragon of Fey. Rather, you were trying to convince me to let you have the crown, and doing a rather poor job of it."

Anyway, if someone wants to borrow any of that, feel free. Its 430 am and I'm going to sleep.
 
[] Viserys chuckles, as if in response to an amusing jest. "Seldom visiting? Your pardon, Lady, but if the degree of Fey activity in the Reach is what you consider a minor presence, I fear I would be shocked to learn what you think of as frequent visitation. Some would even consider the Fey forces in the Reach an occupation by a foreign power, perhaps even a prelude to invasion. And how must your words be perceived by the very Reachmen sharing this table with us? Why, it seems as if you are implying they must choose between a capricious Fey Lord foolish enough to wager his crown in a game of wits and a man who has embraced his heritage to the fullest."
 
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As mentioned Dusk-Dancer is now just attacking us and claiming we would be poor rulers compared to the fey.
 
[X] Plan Minds and Souls
-[X] "And yet I was born mortal, seven-and-ten years ago and have lived as one. You have not done so for a single year, and you have said already that you do not understand us. It speaks poorly of you to offer one truth, and then speak against it in the next breath." In simple terms, don't talk about what you don't understand. And by her words she's just implied that she's more understanding of mortals than we, when we were born one, and having just said before that as half dreaming they do not understand mortals fully.
-[X] "Even these last words betray you. Must I remind you of the question that was asked? Would one bargaining in good faith not answer me fairly, instead of appealing to those I thought were your allies?" Direct attack on her inconsistency.
-[X] "So I say to you again. You have given me many reasons why you desire the crown, but none why I should indulge you." Lean forward, not menacingly, but the intent is to be resolute. "These waters are mine, Lady. What lies within them is mine too, by right and custom. We are not debating the merits of rulership unknown since before the Age of Heroes and my own, standing in defence of mortalkind against any who would threaten it." We actually are, but we're not giving her time to answer, and our framing makes it very clear which has more in the way of recent success. It's also totally not a threat.
-[X] "So, if I let you have this crown, what shall I get in turn? Would your lord and his court be willing to swear itself to a mortal lord of the skill and character needed to ensure that your assurances about the benefits come to pass?" I am deliberately repeating this. Given how DP likes to play the Fae, she should be able to guess where we're going with this. If she refuses to answer a second time, I'm going for thrice and done.
-[X] If she now proposes to swear to Mace Tyrell, just snort and calmly explain to her that you are not reassured. Either Mace is an idiot for missing the implications of this bargain or he is an idiot for thinking a independent Fey realm carved from the lands of his bannermen is a good idea.

Stole quite a bit from your vote, @Azel but that's deliberate. Let me know what you think.
 
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Azel said:
Important part here is that she is now openly discussing the relative merits of our us vs. the Fey as rulers. She isn't even deflecting, she pretty much argues in favor of their take-over.
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I'm definitely looking forward to the Reach lords' faces when we point this out. People have long since been anticipating our conquest. But with the Fey? They thought they were getting allies. Yet here the lady is talking about which ruler they'd prefer.
Snowfire said:
We are not debating the merits of rulership unknown since before the Age of Heroes and that of my bloodline, which forged Westeros into one nation and gave it the Dragon's Peace.
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@Snowfire, this leaves us open to attack. Our bloodline didn't have the greatest track record. I'd either change this or have a counter ready for when she tries that route.
 
Snowfire said:
[X] Plan Minds and Souls
-[X] "And yet I was born mortal, seven-and-ten years ago and have lived as one. You have not done so for a single year, and you have said already that you do not understand us. It speaks poorly of you to offer one truth, and then speak against it in the next breath." In simple terms, don't talk about what you don't understand. And by her words she's just implied that she's more understanding of mortals than we, when we were born one, and having just said before that as half dreaming they do not understand mortals fully.
-[X] "Even these last words betray you. Must I remind you of the question that was asked? Would one bargaining in good faith not answer me fairly, instead of appealing to those I thought were your allies?" Direct attack on her inconsistency.
-[X] "So I say to you again. You have given me many reasons why you desire the crown, but none why I should indulge you." Lean forward, not menacingly, but the intent is to be resolute. "These waters are mine, Lady. What lies within them is mine too, by right and custom. We are not debating the merits of rulership unknown since before the Age of Heroes and that of my bloodline, which forged Westeros into one nation and gave it the Dragon's Peace." We actually are, but we're not giving her time to answer, and our framing makes it very clear which has more in the way of recent success.
-[X] "So, if I let you have this crown, what shall I get in turn? Would your lord and his court be willing to swear itself to a mortal lord of the skill and character needed to ensure that your assurances about the benefits come to pass?" I am deliberately repeating this. Given how DP likes to play the Fae, she should be able to guess where we're going with this. If she refuses to answer a second time, I'm going for thrice and done.
-[X] If she now proposes to swear to Mace Tyrell, just snort and calmly explain to her that you are not reassured. Either Mace is an idiot for missing the implications of this bargain or he is an idiot for thinking a independent Fey realm carved from the lands of his bannermen is a good idea.

Stole quite a bit from your vote, @Azel but that's deliberate. Let me know what you think.
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I still think we need to expressly address her claims that the Fey would seldom visit the Reach, as we know they have been extremely active there, and that it is in their nature to meddle for no other purpose than to amuse themselves.
 
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Goldfish said:
I still think we need to expressly address her claims that the Fey would seldom visit the Reach, as we know they have been extremely active there, and that it is in their nature to meddle for no other purpose than to amuse themselves.
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That's engaging her on her own terms. I have no interest in doing that.

Duesal said:
@Snowfire, this leaves us open to attack. Our bloodline didn't have the greatest track record. I'd either change this or have a counter ready for when she tries that route.
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Hmm. Fair. Suggestions?
 
Goldfish said:
I still think we need to expressly address her claims that the Fey would seldom visit the Reach, as we know they have been extremely active there, and that it is in their nature to meddle for no other purpose than to amuse themselves.
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We could bring up the fact we know of at least one lord who had their name and face stolen and replaced by a changeling. I'm sure the reachers would love to hear that's something Fae can do.
 
I think it's a mistake to mention what our bloodline has done for Westeros. The Targaryens were arguably bad for the continent, and the madness of Aerys and the civil war he kicked off is still much too fresh in living memory.
 
Goldfish said:
I think it's a mistake to mention what our bloodline has done for Westeros. The Targaryens were arguably bad for the continent, and the madness of Aerys and the civil war he kicked off is still much too fresh in living memory.
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I could change to something more in line with how we know they've replaced at least one major Lord. I was unsure on using the line anyway.
 
Goldfish said:
I think it's a mistake to mention what our bloodline has done for Westeros. The Targaryens were arguably bad for the continent, and the madness of Aerys and the civil war he kicked off is still much too fresh in living memory.
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That was pretty much my view of it.
Snowfire said:
Hmm. Fair. Suggestions?
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I would go for personal claim rather than bloodline claim.

Viserys has always stood in defense of mortalkind against the forces that would seek to prey on it, be they fiend, deep ones, undead, or even fey.
 
We aren´t really talking with her as much as we are useing what she says to get the semi-drunk people around us to get what she says and what that means.

Goldfish said:
I still think we need to expressly address her claims that the Fey would seldom visit the Reach, as we know they have been extremely active there, and that it is in their nature to meddle for no other purpose than to amuse themselves.
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So we would have to make sure that the people that listen get that.

Goldfish said:
I think it's a mistake to mention what our bloodline has done for Westeros. The Targaryens were arguably bad for the continent, and the madness of Aerys and the civil war he kicked off is still much too fresh in living memory.
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Also yeah drawing attention to "dad`s" rule isn´t going to do much good. Better to draw attention to Viserys being a good king/ruler and that he defends the mortals even if he doesn´t need to => all the stupid demon plots/cultist plots etc. that wouldn´t have done wide spread damage apart from killing some "mortals" we did know.
 
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Updated the plan somewhat, changed the comparison to a personal one. Thoughts?

Snowfire said:
[X] Plan Minds and Souls
-[X] "And yet I was born mortal, seven-and-ten years ago and have lived as one. You have not done so for a single year, and you have said already that you do not understand us. It speaks poorly of you to offer one truth, and then speak against it in the next breath." In simple terms, don't talk about what you don't understand. And by her words she's just implied that she's more understanding of mortals than we, when we were born one, and having just said before that as half dreaming they do not understand mortals fully.
-[X] "Even these last words betray you. Must I remind you of the question that was asked? Would one bargaining in good faith not answer me fairly, instead of appealing to those I thought were your allies?" Direct attack on her inconsistency.
-[X] "So I say to you again. You have given me many reasons why you desire the crown, but none why I should indulge you." Lean forward, not menacingly, but the intent is to be resolute. "These waters are mine, Lady. What lies within them is mine too, by right and custom. We are not debating the merits of rulership unknown since before the Age of Heroes and my own, standing in defence of mortalkind against any who would threaten it." We actually are, but we're not giving her time to answer, and our framing makes it very clear which has more in the way of recent success. It's also totally not a threat.
-[X] "So, if I let you have this crown, what shall I get in turn? Would your lord and his court be willing to swear itself to a mortal lord of the skill and character needed to ensure that your assurances about the benefits come to pass?" I am deliberately repeating this. Given how DP likes to play the Fae, she should be able to guess where we're going with this. If she refuses to answer a second time, I'm going for thrice and done.
-[X] If she now proposes to swear to Mace Tyrell, just snort and calmly explain to her that you are not reassured. Either Mace is an idiot for missing the implications of this bargain or he is an idiot for thinking a independent Fey realm carved from the lands of his bannermen is a good idea.
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Duesal said:
I'm definitely looking forward to the Reach lords' faces when we point this out. People have long since been anticipating our conquest. But with the Fey? They thought they were getting allies. Yet here the lady is talking about which ruler they'd prefer.

@Snowfire, this leaves us open to attack. Our bloodline didn't have the greatest track record. I'd either change this or have a counter ready for when she tries that route.
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I think DP has clarified the "Fey want to be rulers" part.
 
DkArthas said:
I think DP has clarified the "Fey want to be rulers" part.
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Not really, at least not IC.

The fey lady just spent an entire update trying to say that they wouldn't be rulers at all, that they'd mostly be leaving the Reach lords to their own devices, reassuring the mortals that their autonomy wouldn't be compromised.

And yet we have a sudden turnabout, and she's trying to appeal to them on who they'd prefer as a ruler -- fey or dragon. Gone is the hollow reassurance that they didn't intend to rule.

EDIT: My point with this being that I don't trust the drunk Reach lords to have actually noticed. I'm giving it one more update before I'm sure they actually realize the implications.
 
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DragonParadox said:
As something they would not want to get hit by but would desire to posses, the same as any other magic weapon.
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Oh, excellent. :)

Then we can hand Valyrian Steel weapons to the party being sent into the Feywild if we wanted.

@DragonParadox, how does the development of Fey Courts work? Thus far under our direct control we have Glyra who's sworn to Dany and the Queen Rhaella who's sworn to us. Will they just naturally get bigger and more complex courts/troupes or will we need to do something to aid the process?
 
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