A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

Crake · Sep 10, 2018

@Duesal Poison immunity item would go a long way. I think the main issue is DP thought it would be silly for Tyene to drop the habit of only pulling out poisons when she was prepared to use them, because keeping them on her person is incredibly dangerous and they're difficult for even an expert to handle.

You want to go around with bandoliers of the stuff, all primed and ready to go?

Handy haversack item which can safely store a variety away, and select just the right one at a moment's notice, and immunity to their effects (the non-magical variety, anyway) regardless of which Path she has active.

Bam. She now always has access to poison, and with a little prep one can always assume she can use them in battle as well as outside of it at all times.

Duesal · Sep 10, 2018

Crake said:
@Duesal Poison immunity item would go a long way. I think the main issue is DP thought it would be silly for Tyene to drop the habit of only pulling out poisons when she was prepared to use them, because keeping them on her person is incredibly dangerous and they're difficult for even an expert to handle.

You want to go around with bandoliers of the stuff, all primed and ready to go?

Handy haversack item which can safely store a variety away, and select just the right one at a moment's notice, and immunity to their effects (the non-magical variety, anyway) regardless of which Path she has active.

Bam. She now always has access to poison, and with a little prep one can always assume she can use them in battle as well as outside of it at all times.

TNE already worked that out with DP. That's why if you look at her charactersheet, the Poison Immunity isn't colored green anymore. It's no longer dependent on which Path she has active, and is on at all times.

We do need a Handy Haversack for her, though.

Crake · Sep 10, 2018

The handy haversack is for everyone else's benefit. After all, just because she's immune doesn't mean you don't want them tucked safely away when she doesn't need them.

Duesal · Sep 10, 2018

Crake said:
The handy haversack is for everyone else's benefit. After all, just because she's immune doesn't mean you don't want them tucked safely away when she doesn't need them.

Yeah, Tyene should get a Haversack specifically for her. Maybe then we can start to see some poisons actually get used in battle.

TotallyNotEvil · Sep 10, 2018

Goldfish said:
The big one for him this level up, and it might need @DragonParadox's approval, is learning Clay Skin (refluffed as Bronze Skin), after retraining Dispelling Touch. It's a really freaking nice buff he can place on himself or others. Basically, it's Stone Skin, without a costly material component.

I'd rather buy him a Greater Ironward Diamong.

Goldfish said:
[X] Rina Level Up

I think Ice Flowers would fit better than Cold Ice Strike. Burts are generally much better than lines, and it's SR: No.

Also, Dimensional Anchor instead of Celestial Brilliance. Always carry a Dim Anchor.

Re:Tyene Besides carrying some poison, she should also carry acorns and holly berries.

Furthermore, she should always carry two Poison spells as Ocular spells, as they bypass immunity at just -2 to their DC now. Poison is a nice spell that scales in DC with your caster level, effectively making it as good as her highest level spells.

Furthermore, she should make those spells Poison Spells, per the her Metamagic, and loading them with some CON-damaging poison she crafted.

So, as a full round action, she can force someone to make 4 fortitude saves against poison. And the damage stacks.

She is getting Sunbeam, Project Image and Screen. She is getting to be quite powerful now.

Sarasin · Sep 10, 2018

a11behringer said:
Are we still planning to use that air engine Azel came up with, or was it scrapped after he came up with the anti gravity ships? I think its relative cheapness could make it pretty useful, but there hasn't been much talk about it for a thousand pages, so I wasn't sure if anyone still remembered it.

I thought we needed to air engine to propel the antigrav ship right? Antigrav wouldn't necessarily have inbuiot propulsion after all.

BeepSmile · Sep 10, 2018

Waymar is going 13 to 14, so current alchemy is.. huh, one below cap. @Goldfish, would you mind switching an additional point to it? He is our best at it to be fair, so max ranks seems reasonable imo. Also, for your perusal, if you like;

L0
Caltrops
Electric Jolt
Know Greatest Enemy
Launch Item
Stick

L1
Corrosive Grasp
Critical Strike
Deafening Clang
Fist of Stone
Ice Dagger
Lightfoot
Nerveskitter
Nightshield
Persistent Blade
Phantom Threat
Rhino's Rush
Snowshoes

L2
Battering Ram
Bladeweave
Body of the Sun
Bristle
Combust
Daggerspell Stance
Delusions of Grandeur
Fireburst
Flame Dagger
Infernal Wound
Ironthunder Horn
Mountain Stance
Rainbow Beam
Scorch
Shadow Spray
Weapon Shift
Wracking Touch

L3
Belker Claws
Body Blades
Clarity of Mind
Diamondsteel
Find the Gap
Knight's Move
Know Opponent
Moon Blade
Ring of Blades
Spectral Weapon
Spider Poison
Steeldance
Sppress Breath Weapon
Unluck
Whirling Blade

L4
Bands of Steel
Blindsight
Displacer Form
Flame Whips
Forcewave
Frost Breath
Lion's Charge
Mind Poison
Vulnerability

L5
Acid Sheath
Aura of Evasion
Charge of the Triceratops
Emerald Flame Fist
Fireburst, Greater
Girallon's Blessing
Ray Deflection
Translocation Trick

Complete Mage
Assassin Spells
Bloodletting (1)
Catsfeet (1)
Summon Weapon (2)
Rusted Blade (3) (or (4) as per Wiz/Sorc list)
Unseen Strike (4)

Wiz/Sorc Spells
Steam Jet (1)
Escalating Enfeeblement (2)
Heart of Air (2)
Tenacious Dispelling (3)
Heart of Water (3)
Prickling Torment (3)
Heart of Earth (4)
Crypt Warden's Grasp (5)
Touch of Vecna (5)
Heart of Fire (5)
Tactical Teleportation (6) as (5)

I'd rather go for the ironward diamond and pick an additional spell in its place, if possible, seems reasonable to get a constant similar effect and get a different spell

Edit: there was a spell mentioned some time ago as a possible pick for Viserys, it was very appealing; damage, aoe (centered on caster? I think), can't remember its SR, but Truecasting can help with that, and most importantly, it sends out a huge aoe that only affects enemies. I think it was like 80ft radius or something else crazy.

Goldfish · Sep 10, 2018

TotallyNotEvil said:
I'd rather buy him a Greater Ironward Diamong.

I think Ice Flowers would fit better than Cold Ice Strike. Burts are generally much better than lines, and it's SR: No.

Also, Dimensional Anchor instead of Celestial Brilliance. Always carry a Dim Anchor.[

He can cast the refluffed Clay Skin spell on anyone, though, not just himself; fellow party members, his mount, etc. The duration is good, too.

Cold Ice Strike is cast as a Swift Action, though, which comes in handy since she doesn't have the Quicken Metamagic feat. Ice Flowers is a great spell, but somewhat limited in where it can be used. Celestial Brilliance isn't the best spell, but it feels like something Rina would use, IMO.

Dany has Dimensional Anchor prepared, and several party members have Chains of Light available to prevent fleeing.

Artemis1992 · Sep 10, 2018

@Goldfish
With this level Waymar's bronze equipment counts as Starmetal.
That means DR like an Adamantine Armor, if I read that right.
That reduces the effect of Clayskin greatly.

das_slash · Sep 11, 2018

[X] Goldfish

Duesal · Sep 11, 2018

Goldfish said:
He can cast the refluffed Clay Skin spell on anyone, though, not just himself; fellow party members, his mount, etc. The duration is good, too.

Cold Ice Strike is cast as a Swift Action, though, which comes in handy since she doesn't have the Quicken Metamagic feat. Ice Flowers is a great spell, but somewhat limited in where it can be used. Celestial Brilliance isn't the best spell, but it feels like something Rina would use, IMO.

Dany has Dimensional Anchor prepared, and several party members have Chains of Light available to prevent fleeing.

I'd prefer Dimensional Anchor over Celestial Brilliance. Sometimes we come up against enemies we simply cannot afford to escape, and everyone capable of trying to keep them chained down should have the tools to do so.

zxzx24 · Sep 11, 2018

Looks good, also. Super stoked we have a good god for the pantheon! I mean one who is physically present.

I would recommend @Azel taking him to see the archons. Not to leave, at least not permanently.

But because he is a LG god who probably has friends, maybe even family who miss him, or we're shocked and horrified by his disappearence/kidnapping.

He literally cannot go back on his deal with Yss, so there is very little risk of him distching SD, let alone fucking off the prime material forever.

Also glad that sleepy snake finally got a human interpreter. Aside from Vee I mean.

Edit: not really sure what I wanted to accomplish with the zel I guess I view it as a kind of short hand for getting the councils (azel, goldfish, duesal) attention.

Edit:edi: sorry zel, that was supposed to be a short hand for azel.

Duesal · Sep 11, 2018

@Goldfish, the more I think about it, the more Celestial Brilliance really doesn't fit on Rina. Her magic is of Winter and Death.

This is the first line of Celestial Brilliance's description:

The object touched sheds light brighter than bright sunlight, channeled directly from the celestial realms.

Even if you still don't want Dimensional Anchor on her for whatever reason, this is super incongruous in terms of thematics. Just like Dany doesn't have any Good spells since her magic is Tiamat magic, it feels really weird for you to try to put Celestial Brilliance on Rina.

EDIT: And it damages undead? Wow, this is not a fitting spell given where her magic was stolen from.

zxzx24 said:
Looks good, also. Super stoked we have a good god for the pantheon! I mean one who is physically present.

I would recommend @Azel taking him to see the archons. Not to leave, at least not permanently.

But because he is a LG god who probably has friends, maybe even family who miss him, or we're shocked and horrified by his disappearence/kidnapping.

He literally cannot go back on his deal with Yss, so there is very little risk of him distching SD, let alone fucking off the prime material forever.

Also glad that sleepy snake finally got a human interpreter. Aside from Vee I mean.

Edit: not really sure what I wanted to accomplish with the zel I guess I view it as a kind of short hand for getting the councils (azel, goldfish, duesal) attention.

Edit:edi: sorry zel, that was supposed to be a short hand for azel.

I wouldn't mind introducing them.

T_of_A · Sep 11, 2018

Takesis said:
...so when do we get Burny's blessing to make everything balanced?

Merlin King = Water blessing
Old Gods = Earth blessing
This newbie = Wind blessing
Red God = Slaver's blessing
Is that what you want?
Here's my preferred plan: DRAGON KING, LORD OF FLAME AND SKY = Fire blessing.

We have more of a claim to fire than that shitty God. We are fire made flesh! He is divine/devilish energy that pretends to be a Lord of Fire when really it's a foreign conqueror who doesn't even rule the Plane.

Goldfish said:
@Azel I'm adding your response to Yrten to my level up plans for everyone eligible. If you want to consolidate with me, I promise not to change anything you wrote in your plan.

Not a lot going on in these level ups, though Tyene and Rina are both gaining access to 7th level spells.

For Tyene, I've got Destruction slotted in for her new 7th level spell, because it's just a brutal Save-or-Die spell that hurts pretty bad even when it doesn't kill you. I want to retrain Disguise Self for her because she's outgrown the spell, with her Glamered armor and ready access to Ribbons of Disguise, normal and Greater. I also want to retrain Silence. It's a good spell she never uses, and Ironskin is a great replacement. Tyene doesn't have enough self buff spells, considering that her Sand Whip is so good it begs for her to mix it up in melee every so often.

Please don't lose Disguise Self. From a powerfulgaling perspective this is a minor boost, but from a character perspective it's a huge shame to have her lose her first and favourite spell. She used this so well at the beginning! It's a huge shame to have her lose one of her signature tools as an assassin!
Sure she rarely does that much anymore, but she should be able to at need.

@Azel: why is ACSEC going interplanar? Who will be using it, if not us?

Abhishekam · Sep 11, 2018

Also that reminds me. You guys kneo how we wondered if Jazirian junior would accept blood sacrifices for power? Even if he doesnt we have a perfectly viable second source for him as well. The Dawn Fruit.

Literal Golden Heavenly Goodness for the Deity of Goodness, Law and Air. Grow hum his own personal grove in the temple we will of course be building for him?

egoo · Sep 11, 2018

Duesal said:
I wouldn't mind introducing them.

He'll be an... Interesting addition to Planar Conferention.

Reader of all · Sep 11, 2018

zxzx24 said:
maybe even family who miss him,

Assuming lore is correct he was killed by his brother and his wife is bipolar so yeah not really a ton of family.

zxzx24 · Sep 11, 2018

@Duesal also if we got the whole god he should have an estate and servants in Celestia.

To say nothing of his probable political connections ooh he was such a good find.

BeepSmile · Sep 11, 2018

Duesal said:
@Goldfish, the more I think about it, the more Celestial Brilliance really doesn't fit on Rina. Her magic is of Winter and Death.

This is the first line of Celestial Brilliance's description:

Even if you still don't want Dimensional Anchor on her for whatever reason, this is super incongruous in terms of thematics. Just like Dany doesn't have any Good spells since her magic is Tiamat magic, it feels really weird for you to try to put Celestial Brilliance on Rina.

EDIT: And it damages undead? Wow, this is not a fitting spell given where her magic was stolen from.

I wouldn't mind introducing them.

Just playing devil's advocate, but Rina has good spellcraft and religion and ok planes. She could have learned the spell from Dany or Marlys, or worked with Tyene and learned from her sun domain.

Basically, she is transcending the limits that she had while under the dominion of the Others, a bit, with time and work and the help of her friends, colleagues and comrades.

Apart form that fun charactisation thought, I don't have an oar in this race

Takesis · Sep 11, 2018

TalonofAnathrax said:
Red God = Slaver's blessing

Problem with your plan is, we don't want to be worshipped. If you don't want R'hllor, Ytren swears by Kossuth, so that faith exists in the Plane of Fire.

Reader of all said:
Assuming lore is correct he was killed by his brother and his wife is bipolar so yeah not really a ton of family.

Tripolar actually. She has three heads (Trios get!).

DragonParadox · Sep 11, 2018

Deliste said:
I take it this is a stronger effect than the Lair Wards I linked previously?

Can we treat Breath of Hope as the eye for any of the above storm effects?

About equivalent, though much harder to dispel
Yes

Azel · Sep 11, 2018

Sarasin said:
I thought we needed to air engine to propel the antigrav ship right? Antigrav wouldn't necessarily have inbuiot propulsion after all.

No. DP allowed us to vector the direction to which the AG-Engine is pulling, so it also produces forward propulsion.

zxzx24 said:
Looks good, also. Super stoked we have a good god for the pantheon! I mean one who is physically present.

I would recommend @Azel taking him to see the archons. Not to leave, at least not permanently.

But because he is a LG god who probably has friends, maybe even family who miss him, or we're shocked and horrified by his disappearence/kidnapping.

He literally cannot go back on his deal with Yss, so there is very little risk of him distching SD, let alone fucking off the prime material forever.

Also glad that sleepy snake finally got a human interpreter. Aside from Vee I mean.

Edit: not really sure what I wanted to accomplish with the zel I guess I view it as a kind of short hand for getting the councils (azel, goldfish, duesal) attention.

Edit:edi: sorry zel, that was supposed to be a short hand for azel.

Yrael is visiting SD for the Planar Conference, so no reason why they can't meet then.

TalonofAnathrax said:
@Azel: why is ACSEC going interplanar? Who will be using it, if not us?

I want to open branch offices in Amun Kelisk and the Opaline Vault. Hire Planeshift capable casters for it or make an item for it and then kickstart planar trade with Planetos.

In a fashion were we will profit tremendously from it.

BeepSmile said:
Just playing devil's advocate, but Rina has good spellcraft and religion and ok planes. She could have learned the spell from Dany or Marlys, or worked with Tyene and learned from her sun domain.

Basically, she is transcending the limits that she had while under the dominion of the Others, a bit, with time and work and the help of her friends, colleagues and comrades.

Apart form that fun charactisation thought, I don't have an oar in this race

I greatly like this reading and Rina broadening her horizons beyond what she pilfered from the Others makes a lot of sense. It would be proof that she isn't their thrall anymore.

[X] Goldfish

Artemis1992 · Sep 11, 2018

[X] Goldfish

T_of_A · Sep 11, 2018

Takesis said:
Problem with your plan is, we don't want to be worshipped. If you don't want R'hllor, Ytren swears by Kossuth, so that faith exists in the Plane of Fire.

Azel said:
I want to open branch offices in Amun Kelisk and the Opaline Vault. Hire Planeshift capable casters for it or make an item for it and then kickstart planar trade with Planetos.

So extraplanar ACSEC is catering to the needs of extraplanar traders coming to our homeland?
I presume that it will be directing them to come to Sorcerer's Deep? Or will the Lannisters/Bobby B/Lyseni soon be seeing huge trading expeditions coming to their ports?

And is it feasible for us to keep control of the traders who arrive by making it difficult for others to obtain the necessary focus "Key" to find the Plane of Balance, or can any jug of wine sold to Outsiders be used as a focus allowing them to arrive here?
Because if possible I'd love if ACSEC took orders and then used Plane Shift + Teleport to fetch it and deliver, instead of seeing a gold rush of powerful Outsider spellcasters with retainers arrive in our lands and fucking over our economic plans in Lys or reinforcing the Lannisters or whatever.
@DragonParadox, thoughts?

This is giving me ideas for an Omake...

egoo · Sep 11, 2018

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[X] Goldfish
- Taut_Templar
- Duesal
- One Autumn Leaf
- Massgamer
- egoo
- das_slash
- Azel
- Artemis1992
- TotallyNotEvil
- Takesis
- Dracikral
- Abhishekam
- tenchifew
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[X] Lord or not, I see no reason to freely tell you of my home when Siduri was asked to make stringent oaths of secrecy. My question about planeshift was but mild curiousity. Although I wouldn't mind paying you to buy such an item for me to collect when we next meet, payment above cost of item to be discussed on collection, the example you quoted for price should suffice.
- BeepSmile
- Aster
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[X] "It is a nice port city called Sorcerers Deep, sitting on a lagoon with crystal clear water, the land slowly rising towards the mountains. The sky is rarely clouded, the fresh breeze of the sea ever present and the flames of the sun shine warmly upon it. A wonderful place to call my home."
-[X] "I would like you to recall what you said about keeping secrets to be kept getting told them. Also recall what I said about the Sultans mood after his recent... misfortune. You would do well to keep this information quiet."
-[X] "Aside from the Deep, I also rule a good portion of one of the continents of my plane, which is ever expanding. I do not mean to brag though."
[X] Tyene Level Up
-[X] Class: +1 Sand Snake
-[X] Skills (8 points): +1 Bluff, +1 Concentration, +2 Craft(Poison Making), +2 Diplomacy, +2 Sense Motive
-[X] Spells:
--[X] 1st Level: Retrain Disguise Self >>> Sign
--[X] 2nd Level: Retrain Silence >>> Ironskin
--[X] 7th Level: Destruction
[X] Waymar Level Up
-[X] Class: +1 Hero of the First Age
-[X] Skills (6 points): +1 Craft(Alchemy), +1 Knowledge(Arcana), +2 Concentration, +2 Knowledge(The Planes)
-[X] Spells:
--[X] 2nd Level: Retrain Bladeweave >>> Heart of Air
--[X] 3rd Level: Retrain Dispelling Touch >>> Bronze Skin(refluffed)
--[X] 4th Level: Dimension Door
[X] Dany Level Up
-[X] Class: +1 Dreamweaver
-[X] Skills (7 points): +1 Concentration, +1 Sense Motive, +1 Spellcraft, +2 Knowledge(Arcana), +2 Knowledge(The Planes)
-[X] Spell Loadout:
--[X]Level 0 (6/day): Cure Minor Wounds, Detect Poison, Detect Magic, Mending, Message x2
--[X]Level 1 (5+2+D/day): Barbed Chains, Clarion Call, Entropic Shield, Ice Slick, Liberating Command, Shield of Faith, Sign, Detect Secret Doors(D), Omen of Peril(Lib), Command(Dom)
--[X]Level 2 (5+1+D/day): Boneshaker, Close Wounds x2, Ironskin, Sound Burst x2, Resist Energy(D), Undetectable Alignment(Lib), Enthrall(Dom)
--[X]Level 3 (4+1+D/day): Alter Fortune x2, Blindness/Deafness, Dispel Magic, Nauseating Breath, Greater Magic Fang(D), Rage(Lib), Suggestion(Dom)
--[X]Level 4 (4+1+D/day): Assay Spell Resistance, Dimensional Anchor, Dismissal, Heart of the Earth, Sound Lance, Divination(D), Freedom of Movement(Lib), Dominate Person(Dom)
--[X]Level 5 (3+1+D/day): Boneshatter, Greater Command, Plane Shift, Revivify, True Seeing(D), Break Enchantment(Lib), Greater Command(Dom)
--[X]Level 6 (2+1+D/day): Chains of Light, Heal, Lucent Lance, Find the Path(D), Greater Dispel Magic(Lib), Geas/Quest(Dom)
--[X]Level 7 (1+D): Radiant Assault, Legend Lore(D), Refuge(Lib), Mass Suggestion(Dom)
[X] Rina Level Up
-[X] Class: +1 Rimefire Witch
-[X] Skills (7 points): +1 Concentration, +1 Spellcraft, +2 Sense Motive, +3 Knowledge(The Planes)
-[X] Spell Loadout:
--[X] Level 0 (6/day): Create Water, Detect Poison, Detect Magic, Light, Mending, Message
--[X] Level 1 (5+2+D/day): Barbed Chains, Bless, Endure Elements, Ice Slick, Sanctuary, Sign, Snowsight, Detect Undead(D)
--[X] Level 2 (5+2+D/day): Aid, Blood Snow, Boneshaker, Ironskin, Obscuring Snow, Resist Energy, Sound Burst, Snow Walk(D)
--[X] Level 3 (4+1+D/day): Alter Fortune, Dispel Magic, Energy Vortex, Mass Aid, Mass Entropic Shield, Winter's Embrace(D)
--[X] Level 4 (4+1+D/day): Assay Spell Resistance, Celestial Brilliance, Hypothermia x2, Mass Shield of Faith, Death Ward(D)
--[X] Level 5 (3+1+D/day): Boreal Wind, Holy Ice, Life Bubble, True Seeing, Blizzard(D)
--[X] Level 6 (2+1+D/day): Algid Enhancement, Cold Ice Strike, Greater Dispel Magic, Death Hail(D)
--[X] Level 7 (1+D/day): Righteous Smite, Control Weather(D)
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