A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

[Deliste]

Come to think of though, didn't she wonder were all those fierce looking winged ladies have come from? Or what's up with the huge, golden snake-man corpse?

We are not exactly subtle with our work these days.

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I don't see any reason why she would be aware of the corpse, she should have had interaction with the Erinyes though, at least Mereth.

 

[Azel]

I don't see any reason why she would be aware of the corpse, she should have had interaction with the Erinyes though, at least Mereth.

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She might have noticed people talking about our newest trophy and decided to check it out.

Anyway, she will learn about it at the conference. Let's hope she takes the news well.

 

[BeepSmile]

She might have noticed people talking about our newest trophy and decided to check it out.

Anyway, she will learn about it at the conference. Let's hope she takes the news well.

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We need to chat with her and Valeron Montfort before the conference.

 

[Azel]

We need to chat with her and Valeron Montfort before the conference.

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Same with, Lord Brune, Bronze Jon and to a lesser extent Doran.

These people should be made aware of what their Imperator is doing in his spare time.

 

[Loinvoyant]

Indeed, we are a king in truth now, we have a responsability towards our vassals.

 

[Deliste]

She might have noticed people talking about our newest trophy and decided to check it out.

Anyway, she will learn about it at the conference. Let's hope she takes the news well.

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I really don't see it being a casual conversation topic (in part due to Rhaella herself), nor it's storage something she would just mosey on over to.

The Conference is going to be very interesting though, she may break due to not being able to reconcile a court that lacks basic standardised etiquette but is hosting an event outside the scope of any kingdom in planetary history.

I get the impression Rhaella still thinks we're more of a Conqueror than a Ruler.

 

[Azel]

I get the impression Rhaella still thinks we're more of a Conqueror than a Ruler.

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Which isn't entirely wrong. We are delegating most of the actual ruling to institutions.

That being said, the etiquette thing... I completely forgot.

@DragonParadox, did Rhealla finish her proposal?

 

[MTB]

@ planar conference - did we invite gods to participate?

 

[Azel]

@ planar conference - did we invite gods to participate?

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Nope. Though I believe Yss will have a few visitors anyway.

 

[BeepSmile]

@DragonParadox are we building (well, planning to build) a temple and stuff for Zathir like we did Yss?

Also, has anyone gone and reassured Baella we're ok after attacking a hellship?

Thinking on it, Viserys could have done it before he went to sleep, if only for five minutes.

Although I very much want to see what direction her an her new companions take in life, and getting a feel for their current interactions, would be nice to read a bit of warm fluff.

 

[Goldfish]

Waymar is going 13 to 14, so current alchemy is.. huh, one below cap. @Goldfish, would you mind switching an additional point to it? He is our best at it to be fair, so max ranks seems reasonable imo. Also, for your perusal, if you like;

I'd rather go for the ironward diamond and pick an additional spell in its place, if possible, seems reasonable to get a constant similar effect and get a different spell

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Added a point for Crafting(Alchemy)

@Goldfish
With this level Waymar's bronze equipment counts as Starmetal.
That means DR like an Adamantine Armor, if I read that right.
That reduces the effect of Clayskin greatly.

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He doesn't get DR from his bronze armor until level 10, and even after he does, the spell would be great for him. He's got plenty of offensive power, but he lacks any buffs except Resist Energy. It's not just for him, but for everyone else in his group.

@Goldfish, the more I think about it, the more Celestial Brilliance really doesn't fit on Rina. Her magic is of Winter and Death.

This is the first line of Celestial Brilliance's description:

Even if you still don't want Dimensional Anchor on her for whatever reason, this is super incongruous in terms of thematics. Just like Dany doesn't have any Good spells since her magic is Tiamat magic, it feels really weird for you to try to put Celestial Brilliance on Rina.

EDIT: And it damages undead? Wow, this is not a fitting spell given where her magic was stolen from.

I wouldn't mind introducing them.

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Fine, fine. I've removed Celestial Brilliance and subbed in Dimensional Anchor.

Never mind that Celestial Brilliance would be exactly the kind of spell Rina would wish to have available, considering her past trauma and recent conflict with Devils here on the Plane of Fire...

Please don't lose Disguise Self. From a powerfulgaling perspective this is a minor boost, but from a character perspective it's a huge shame to have her lose her first and favourite spell. She used this so well at the beginning! It's a huge shame to have her lose one of her signature tools as an assassin!
Sure she rarely does that much anymore, but she should be able to at need.

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It would actually be a significant boost for Tyene. Sign is an excellent 1st level spell and it has served us very well, but fine, Tyene is keeping Disguise Self for now...because reasons.

 

[Goldfish]

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  [X] Goldfish

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  [X] Lord or not, I see no reason to freely tell you of my home when Siduri was asked to make stringent oaths of secrecy. My question about planeshift was but mild curiousity. Although I wouldn't mind paying you to buy such an item for me to collect when we next meet, payment above cost of item to be discussed on collection, the example you quoted for price should suffice.

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  [X] "It is a nice port city called Sorcerers Deep, sitting on a lagoon with crystal clear water, the land slowly rising towards the mountains. The sky is rarely clouded, the fresh breeze of the sea ever present and the flames of the sun shine warmly upon it. A wonderful place to call my home."
  -[X] "I would like you to recall what you said about keeping secrets to be kept getting told them. Also recall what I said about the Sultans mood after his recent... misfortune. You would do well to keep this information quiet."
  -[X] "Aside from the Deep, I also rule a good portion of one of the continents of my plane, which is ever expanding. I do not mean to brag though."
  [X] Tyene Level Up
  -[X] Class: +1 Sand Snake
  -[X] Skills (8 points): +1 Bluff, +1 Concentration, +2 Craft(Poison Making), +2 Diplomacy, +2 Sense Motive
  -[X] Spells:
  --[X] 2nd Level: Retrain Silence >>> Ironskin
  --[X] 7th Level: Destruction
  [X] Waymar Level Up
  -[X] Class: +1 Hero of the First Age
  -[X] Skills (6 points): +1 Craft(Alchemy), +1 Knowledge(Arcana), +2 Concentration, +2 Knowledge(The Planes)
  -[X] Spells:
  --[X] 2nd Level: Retrain Bladeweave >>> Heart of Air
  --[X] 3rd Level: Retrain Dispelling Touch >>> Bronze Skin(refluffed)
  --[X] 4th Level: Dimension Door
  [X] Dany Level Up
  -[X] Class: +1 Dreamweaver
  -[X] Skills (7 points): +1 Concentration, +1 Sense Motive, +1 Spellcraft, +2 Knowledge(Arcana), +2 Knowledge(The Planes)
  -[X] Spell Loadout:
  --[X]Level 0 (6/day): Cure Minor Wounds, Detect Poison, Detect Magic, Mending, Message x2
  --[X]Level 1 (5+2+D/day): Barbed Chains, Clarion Call, Entropic Shield, Ice Slick, Liberating Command, Shield of Faith, Sign, Detect Secret Doors(D), Omen of Peril(Lib), Command(Dom)
  --[X]Level 2 (5+1+D/day): Boneshaker, Close Wounds x2, Ironskin, Sound Burst x2, Resist Energy(D), Undetectable Alignment(Lib), Enthrall(Dom)
  --[X]Level 3 (4+1+D/day): Alter Fortune x2, Blindness/Deafness, Dispel Magic, Nauseating Breath, Greater Magic Fang(D), Rage(Lib), Suggestion(Dom)
  --[X]Level 4 (4+1+D/day): Assay Spell Resistance, Dimensional Anchor, Dismissal, Heart of the Earth, Sound Lance, Divination(D), Freedom of Movement(Lib), Dominate Person(Dom)
  --[X]Level 5 (3+1+D/day): Boneshatter, Greater Command, Plane Shift, Revivify, True Seeing(D), Break Enchantment(Lib), Greater Command(Dom)
  --[X]Level 6 (2+1+D/day): Chains of Light, Heal, Lucent Lance, Find the Path(D), Greater Dispel Magic(Lib), Geas/Quest(Dom)
  --[X]Level 7 (1+D): Radiant Assault, Legend Lore(D), Refuge(Lib), Mass Suggestion(Dom)
  [X] Rina Level Up
  -[X] Class: +1 Rimefire Witch
  -[X] Skills (7 points): +1 Concentration, +1 Spellcraft, +2 Sense Motive, +3 Knowledge(The Planes)
  -[X] Spell Loadout:
  --[X] Level 0 (6/day): Create Water, Detect Poison, Detect Magic, Light, Mending, Message
  --[X] Level 1 (5+2+D/day): Barbed Chains, Bless, Endure Elements, Ice Slick, Sanctuary, Sign, Snowsight, Detect Undead(D)
  --[X] Level 2 (5+2+D/day): Aid, Blood Snow, Boneshaker, Ironskin, Obscuring Snow, Resist Energy, Sound Burst, Snow Walk(D)
  --[X] Level 3 (4+1+D/day): Alter Fortune, Dispel Magic, Energy Vortex, Mass Aid, Mass Entropic Shield, Winter's Embrace(D)
  --[X] Level 4 (4+1+D/day): Assay Spell Resistance, Dimensional Anchor, Hypothermia x2, Mass Shield of Faith, Death Ward(D)
  --[X] Level 5 (3+1+D/day): Boreal Wind, Holy Ice, Life Bubble, True Seeing, Blizzard(D)
  --[X] Level 6 (2+1+D/day): Algid Enhancement, Cold Ice Strike, Greater Dispel Magic, Death Hail(D)
  --[X] Level 7 (1+D/day): Righteous Smite, Control Weather(D)

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[DocMatoi]

Although I very much want to see what direction her an her new companions take in life, and getting a feel for their current interactions, would be nice to read a bit of warm fluff.

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Considering she's a fire whale, it will be very warm fluff indeed

 

[Artemis1992]

Nope. Though I believe Yss will have a few visitors anyway.

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Maybe his new Herald will participate.

Imagine a giant baby-snake in a suit and with glasses, ordering his papers via telekinesis.

 

[DkArthas]

While I fully understand that this fear is anything but rational, it's still funny that she has less issues with us antagonizing the tyrants of various hell-dimensions then with fighting a fat guy with a hammer.

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is Robert even fat in this setting? He has a clear enemy, who has shown himself to be extremely dangerous to channel his hatred toward right now. He also has no reason to simply drink himself to death and all the reason to keep training. And, from what I remember he only reached that level of...fatness latter in his reign. He was still a capable warrior during the greyjoy rebellion.

For all his flaws, he is a capable General and warrior. At least he was before letting himself completely go.

Edit : Ofc, none of that matters. Considering the difference in levels and other shit, Viserys is just on another level entirely.

 

[Taut_Templar]

You know, I think we're all assuming Robert is going to be the same fat, drunken has-been he was in canon, but that might not be the case for several reasons. The obvious one being that his hated enemies are right on his doorstep, but there's also the fact that not as much time has passed. In any case, we don't actually know, so I think we should withhold making plans to deal with him until we get a crownlander loyalist in court, or, you know, a spy (why don't we have those?) to tell us if he's fat, trim, or has started taking PC levels for crying out loud.

 

[T_of_A]

You know, I think we're all assuming Robert is going to be the same fat, drunken has-been he was in canon, but that might not be the case for several reasons. The obvious one being that his hated enemies are right on his doorstep, but there's also the fact that not as much time has passed. In any case, we don't actually know, so I think we should withhold making plans to deal with him until we get a crownlander loyalist in court, or, you know, a spy (why don't we have those?) to tell us if he's fat, trim, or has started taking PC levels for crying out loud.

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No, Robert will effectively be a useless lout. No amount of training could get him on our level: let's say he's level 18, optimised, and with excellent gear given to him by the mages of Westeros because house Lannister was looking for favor or something.
Well even so, we'll just annihilate him. We'll win Initiative (because we have spells for that) and then kill 6-second him, alone. His own stats and gear will be mostly irrelevant in the face of our insanely superior firepower.

 

[Crake]

He'd last five words in a no-holds-bar fight regardless of equipment or level.

Searing Agonizing Maximized Dispelling Breath.

 

[DkArthas]

Mhm. I would not be surprised if Robert had the potential to be a PC. He was likely one of the most high ranked fuckers in westeros just after the rebellion. Though, it is possible and to be honest, perhaps even likely that he squandered all that potential. He is a broken man in many ways.

 

[Azel]

He'd last five words in a no-holds-bar fight regardless of equipment or level.

Searing Agonizing Maximized Dispelling Breath.

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Translation: "Please remove most of your buffs and hitpoints. Do not go over Fire Immunity. Do not hope for survival. It's all downhill from here."

 

[T_of_A]

He'd last five words in a no-holds-bar fight regardless of equipment or level.

Searing Agonizing Maximized Dispelling Breath.

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Please. We would never be so sloppy. Expect a Quickened spell and a Celerity in there!
Although I'd expect him to have an item of Contingent Celerity, Mind Blank and Teleport (he's a King and has money and knows he has terrible enemies). But we can just use our own Celerity to kill him.
Or we could just, you know, cast AMF and eat him alive.

Mhm. I would not be surprised if Robert had the potential to be a PC. He was likely one of the most higher ranked fuckers in westeros just after the rebellion. Though, it is quite possible and to be honest, likely that he squandered all that potential in this setting as well, he is a broken man in many ways.

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There's "PC", and then there's "Us".

 

[DocMatoi]

No, Robert will effectively be a useless lout. No amount of training could get him on our level: let's say he's level 18, optimised, and with excellent gear given to him by the mages of Westeros because house Lannister was looking for favor or something.
Well even so, we'll just annihilate him. We'll win Initiative (because we have spells for that) and then kill 6-second him, alone. His own stats and gear will be mostly irrelevant in the face of our insanely superior firepower.

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Yay, 3.5! /S

 

[T_of_A]

Yay, 3.5! /S

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I unironically like that about 3.5. This is a feature, not a bug. If we wants to live against us he shouldn't face us in single combat (without some damn good gear of his own, and DP doesn't seem to include items of Contingent Spells in this setting).
There are tricks that could allow him to live, but they'd require planning and a good use of his extreme wealth. A duel of honor is of course not quite the time to use crazy traps

But if he for example had a cool magic sword and Initiative-boosting gear he could strike first and hope to kill us in one round. This would be possible if he had the Mage Slayer feats (quite possible for a fighter, those have a ton of feats) that could allow him to stop us from casting defensively and thus allow him to interrupt our spells by forcing impossible Concentration checks. The system allows for solutions, it's the setting and circumstances that don't: there's no way he'll have gear that good. Even Richard doesn't and he has the world's best crafter on tap, as well as the world's richest monarch gearing him up. And DP is against Initiative-boosting, maneuver-granting gear can't be found here, and we're high enough level that we can probably just outfight him (we have more HP, better BaB and damn good magic gear ourselves!).

 

[Crake]

I've personally never seen the sense in bringing martial classes who of themselves aren't like the Martial Adepts with their crazy "it's totally not magic! But it's magic" martial arts, into "balance" weighted against local reality warpers and purveyors of WMDs in any setting.

I don't even see the sense in the crazy kung fus being a match for a properly prepared wizard. And to put it into even starker terms, assuming both are high leveled:

A Martial Adept with unlimited funds and limited preparation should probably beat most normal foes, if not at all spell casters. That is the extent preparation can help them. More won't make it better for them.

A wizard with unlimited funds and unlimited preparation can kill Gods. And there's not much wrong with that, considering what you can do with a little WBLomancy.

 

[T_of_A]

IMO any setting should be like Conan the barbarian: the mightiest magic-users are a class of their own, mysterious beings who can be killed with guile and teamwork but whose true wrath is to be avoided.
And this makes sense. Face a wizard from outside of charge range and he will kill you. Face a wizard in melee and you genuinely can win. This is just the usual "high-level D&D is missile tag" stuff.

A high-leveled fighter's power comes mostly from his gold, and perhaps his feats. He can kill anything once he's in melee (yes, even high-OP wizards if he's optimized too) but he really needs gear to get into position. Martial adepts can have maneuvers to help there, but even so they often need to be a specific race or have specific gear.

The bad reputation of martials mostly comes from a lack of direct versatility (which sucks! they should all get a lot more skill points, at least!) but especially because lowly optimised martials really do fall far behind, quite fast. Without good system-mancy it's far too easy to build a fighter who's made irrelevant by a lv 7 wizard who has the spells to win fights, make him mostly irrelevant when they fight together, and to bypass many challenges that the fighter would struggle with.