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I for one would rather give them the golems then some of the other stuff.
A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover
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Yet even as you approach you hear the rhythmic strike of steel, scores of iron-shod feet in impossible synchronicity. As though standing still as statues awaiting some silent command, a score and more steel devils march up from below, ready to repel boarders even as the six bulging cauldron like things Yrten called Hellfire belches swivel in your direction seemingly directed by their own malignant will. If the Orthon seem brutish and slow, then these ancient warriors embedded in seamless steel hold only the cruel beauty of a blade's edge.
Not a score... two-and-thirty precisely, gathered in squads of eight, you realize even as the torrent of fire from your jaws engulfs one of the squares of infernal warriors where they stand.
The fiend that slithers onto the deck, its three-jawed mouth open in howl of rage, seems born of some fevered nightmare. Manlike from the waist up, save for its horns, wings, and glaring red eyes, its lower body melts into a slug's and from it oozing unnameable vileness. You know it now though you have never beheld its foul continence and hope never to do so again: Xerfilstyx, Hell's mad oracles, weaving prophecies from the broken memories lost to the Styx.
"I will have your eyes!" it screams at Ser Richard, possibly the first one it had laid eyes upon in its mad rage. A dreadful word in the tongue of wyrms, eldest of all mortal sages whose memories are washed on the banks of the River of Lost Dreams. The knight gazes back in defiance... and the word echoes back.
The sage devil's eyes burn into black pits as a full six-and-ten Bueroza march up to make a shield of steel and flesh around their appointed lord.
Alright, so far we have faced:
8 Orthon (all dead)
32 Steel Devils (reduced to four)
5 more Orthons
2 Hangman Golems (designated loot)
1 Xerfilstyx (blinded)
16 more Steel Devils (very close to being petrified)
This is a small army, holy shit.
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I wouldn't mind trading the golems in the same way I wouldn't mind buying something they claim for their side with our own cash.
But that the golems we improbably capture would go to the communal loot pile? Nah.
In fact, at the very least, the petrified devils should be ours by default, too.
egoo
Totally Not Creating Problems Where None Existed
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Shall we call on Goldfish and TNE to start making level-ups for Waymar, Tyene and Dany now?
Crake
I AM THE STORM THAT IS APPROACHING
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It doesn't work like that. We didn't bother to haggle, and stupidly agreed to terms as vague as 'half of everything". With terms like that, any claim taken could count against the full total.
Granted, we could just go back on our word and dictate new terms, but the very reason why we're flatly just offering half of what is essentially the sweat off our own brows is avoiding any drama from dealing in bad faith.
Furthermore, Yrten did go so far as to explicitly say "half of all slaves", which obviously could be construed as "any prisoners taken", because he's a slaver. I'm fairly sure they don't ransom the people they capture unless they're politically important enough.
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Yeah.
They actually should already qualify for the levelups given that we blasted through the three Turtle Ships, so this is really just icing on the cake.
Yeah, and it's working against us here.
With that in mind I wanted to trade off the golems so we can keep the rest of the stuff.
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Like I said, I'm expecting him to say nothing once an eyebrow is raised in his direction.
egoo
Totally Not Creating Problems Where None Existed
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After us using a "Finisher Move" he knows we can kill off his entire crew with in a few seconds?
Yeah, he is either smart, or very dead.
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In pure power this is a quite large army, compared to any mortals.
These guys could march through the Riverlands like it was tuesday there.
Crake
I AM THE STORM THAT IS APPROACHING
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Also, I think on the matter of "complacency in negotiation" and as it related to "not wanting to take up another update with solely haggling", a mark against the idea someone suggested of "having half the following update be haggling, and the other half being the continuation of the next part" doesn't work unless we make the following haggling contingent on automatically accepting any second offer they give us, or we write out a lengthy treatise of what offers would be amenable to us, because then how will DP know if we want to accept the deal or not?
The problem lies inherently with us not just wanting to take the effort to decide what our aims from a contract are. If we fail to put any effort into visualizing the possibilities, then we deserve to stick to a shitty deal we cut thoughtlessly.
The whole fake propaganda of that one French King who wanted to tear down some place but was threatened with a lawsuit is obviously inaccurate, since autocrats can just turn around and do whatever the hell they want with no one reasonably able to stop them, but when your reputation cultivation is set against the standard of literal immortal spirits who expect you to hold to your word no matter what, we don't want to tarnish our actually pretty fucking sterling reputation for keeping our word.
The problem lies inherently with us not just wanting to take the effort to decide what our aims from a contract are. If we fail to put any effort into visualizing the possibilities, then we deserve to stick to a shitty deal we cut thoughtlessly.
The whole fake propaganda of that one French King who wanted to tear down some place but was threatened with a lawsuit is obviously inaccurate, since autocrats can just turn around and do whatever the hell they want with no one reasonably able to stop them, but when your reputation cultivation is set against the standard of literal immortal spirits who expect you to hold to your word no matter what, we don't want to tarnish our actually pretty fucking sterling reputation for keeping our word.
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This.
We got ourself into a bad deal, but we have to stick with it now.
Going back on our word is not worth it considering we're trying to diplomance the Shaitan and Djinn right now.
Let's just get whatever we can from this battle and then keep going for the remaining three days of the action.
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Your point being?
If he makes no claim to it, I don't see anything wrong with it. We aren't lawful-subtype. In fact, the thread always takes time to bash all of those bound by their subtypes.
What do you expect will happen? A minor decrease in loot, he barely had to fight for, is worth going about, shit talking this red dragon he just saw one-shot the huge devil army? Put it another way: would you?
We aren't on Big Brother. We aren't being filmed 24/7.
Why you guys are hidebound in behaving like the outsiders and gods and whatever you so love to denigrate?
What I suggest is to start rounding up the statues. If he makes a move to say something, raise an eyebrow.
That's it.
If he makes no claim to it, I don't see anything wrong with it. We aren't lawful-subtype. In fact, the thread always takes time to bash all of those bound by their subtypes.
What do you expect will happen? A minor decrease in loot, he barely had to fight for, is worth going about, shit talking this red dragon he just saw one-shot the huge devil army? Put it another way: would you?
We aren't on Big Brother. We aren't being filmed 24/7.
Why you guys are hidebound in behaving like the outsiders and gods and whatever you so love to denigrate?
What I suggest is to start rounding up the statues. If he makes a move to say something, raise an eyebrow.
That's it.
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Nopeee. Still confused.
*Checks* ah, I see my error. I missed a word from your post.
Basically, you have 10d6 + 5d6 going up to 15d6 + Xd6... So
Mastery = 1/2 cha mod to (so 5) to hit die cap, so (10+5)d6 + (5+5)d6?
Correct? Also I would like to get an angel to create some of those shadow doom cubes on the devil's that fled Dany.
Crake
I AM THE STORM THAT IS APPROACHING
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I foresee issues.
I think he won't raise a stink over it if you add a little carrot to the colossal stick. And no, I don't think offering to let them in on future raids fits the ticket, since even four of our PCs can handily capture at least a single Efreeti warship, which is a target I think the Golden Wind would have trouble cutting its teeth on, and as far as I know, the only two PCs they have on our Companions' level are Yrten and his pet mage.
Who's so far the prettiest bit of potential loot I've seen on this trip so far, and partially what makes me inclined not to raise a stink over Bateezu garbage barges...
TNE: I can castigate angels and fiends on being hidebound all day, but the fact of the matter is I'm so used to them absolutely refusing to see past transgressions that act as a mark against their subtype that I just act in consideration of their sensibilities as a matter of course.
We have had so many issues with nearly butting up against some Outsider's buttons. Maybe dictating new terms inspite of giving our word won't have any effect on relations with others, aside from this pirate crew.
Who cares about the pirates? Except other pirates?
Keep in mind Yrten probably has a pretty big reputation around these parts, and our plan involved hiring corsairs to do the ongoing heavy lifting in our ongoing fight with the Efreeti out on the High Seas of Flame.
I think he won't raise a stink over it if you add a little carrot to the colossal stick. And no, I don't think offering to let them in on future raids fits the ticket, since even four of our PCs can handily capture at least a single Efreeti warship, which is a target I think the Golden Wind would have trouble cutting its teeth on, and as far as I know, the only two PCs they have on our Companions' level are Yrten and his pet mage.
Who's so far the prettiest bit of potential loot I've seen on this trip so far, and partially what makes me inclined not to raise a stink over Bateezu garbage barges...
TNE: I can castigate angels and fiends on being hidebound all day, but the fact of the matter is I'm so used to them absolutely refusing to see past transgressions that act as a mark against their subtype that I just act in consideration of their sensibilities as a matter of course.
We have had so many issues with nearly butting up against some Outsider's buttons. Maybe dictating new terms inspite of giving our word won't have any effect on relations with others, aside from this pirate crew.
Who cares about the pirates? Except other pirates?
Keep in mind Yrten probably has a pretty big reputation around these parts, and our plan involved hiring corsairs to do the ongoing heavy lifting in our ongoing fight with the Efreeti out on the High Seas of Flame.
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What are you even talking about? By that metric, we've baked him a fucking carrot cake already.
It's saying "don't push your luck".
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What terms?
I'm explicitly saying we don't say anything.
If you want to play lawful outsider, statues of our own making aren't every mentioned in the terms of our agreement. We saying nothing is, by definition, not dictating terms or violating anything.
Do you honestly believe this would be any problem at all? That every fucking outsider out there is fucking omniscient and will instantly attack anyone who's ever gotten fucking greedy?
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Crake
I AM THE STORM THAT IS APPROACHING
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It's quibbling over words when I'm almost certain in just this case, outlaw types like these care more about the spirit of any agreement than the letter.
If it was a military expedition of Shaitan out here for some reason then you can bet your ass they'd be working by the letter instead. But that's more to the case of us sealing a deal with Yrten over a spit and shake, and every deal with the Shaitan with a twenty page written contract.
If it was a military expedition of Shaitan out here for some reason then you can bet your ass they'd be working by the letter instead. But that's more to the case of us sealing a deal with Yrten over a spit and shake, and every deal with the Shaitan with a twenty page written contract.
Honestly can we leave the loot division debates until after we clear out the ship. I know we screwed up in the opening negotiations. We can see about it at the end.
Right now we have to clear the deck and then secure the rest of the ship. Take stock on exactly what other slaves they have here other than the Coatl and see if they are even something we would care about.
With that said. Would anybody object to just dictating the split to thi guy at the end and calling it an even split? He certainly wouldn't. Not even to anybody else. At this point I expect him to accept any recruitment pitch we make. Let's just focus on the XP bags for now.
Right now we have to clear the deck and then secure the rest of the ship. Take stock on exactly what other slaves they have here other than the Coatl and see if they are even something we would care about.
With that said. Would anybody object to just dictating the split to thi guy at the end and calling it an even split? He certainly wouldn't. Not even to anybody else. At this point I expect him to accept any recruitment pitch we make. Let's just focus on the XP bags for now.
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Which makes your entire point meaningless?
Crake
I AM THE STORM THAT IS APPROACHING
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People advocating for renegotiation of something that DP has made clear he sees as an open and shut deal shaken on, plainly don't see it that way. They think we can just wordlessly refuge in audacity and take what we want, call it not part of the unwritten stakes, and dare them to say anything.
What if they do? We didn't do a very good job of hiding how we're not a typical Red Dragon. My first response to getting called out on my bullshit... would actually be to concede the point, since I don't like to deal in bullshit.
No.
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It has worked well so far.
Then we split the loot with some too-dumb-to-live pirates.