egoo
Totally Not Creating Problems Where None Existed
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Divination is so bullshit.
Ugh.
@everyone, let's collectively agree not to do this sort of shit unless it's really necessary.
This stuff hurts my head more than time-travel.
A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover
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- a song of ice and fire a sword without a hilt d&d 3.5 dungeons & dragons 100% high octane dragon fuel ave corvidae battle action dragon diplomacy best sister bureaucromancy delicious soul-stuff dragon dreams come true dragon ta'veren greatest uncle hubris is a coward's word in defiance of gods and men mammon's folly mutually assured mage's disjunction qm murderhobo top tier coatl
Ugh.
@everyone, let's collectively agree not to do this sort of shit unless it's really necessary.
This stuff hurts my head more than time-travel.
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- United States
??? This was useful as hell, and I'm glad we did it. It made everything a whole lot easier. It clarified that the idea was worth trying in the first place and that we weren't just wasting our time.
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[X] Plan Not Overcomplicating
-[X] Use your Greater Ribbon of Disguise to appear like a Daemon cultist and broadcast a Neutral Evil alignment.
-[X] Walk up to Merro and tell him that it's time for him to make good on his bargain. Tonight, great things will happen.
-[X] You are here to aid him and have confirmed thqt the commander is unaware and an easy mark. You will go to his tent together.
-[X] Once you arrived, apply Oathkeeper to subdue him.
-[X] Use your Greater Ribbon of Disguise to appear like a Daemon cultist and broadcast a Neutral Evil alignment.
-[X] Walk up to Merro and tell him that it's time for him to make good on his bargain. Tonight, great things will happen.
-[X] You are here to aid him and have confirmed thqt the commander is unaware and an easy mark. You will go to his tent together.
-[X] Once you arrived, apply Oathkeeper to subdue him.
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Exactly, I'm talking about those we are training in the Scholarium.
The idea is to just treat it as a base class. I know giving actual class features to a sorcerer sounds wild, but maybe it could work
Could be restricted to, say, always picking Pyromancy until we get other high level specialized sorcerers.
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I like the pyromancy idea for our dragonseed sorcerers, with other sorcerers leaning towards shadow-themed stuff in Teana's footsteps.Exactly, I'm talking about those we are training in the Scholarium.
The idea is to just treat it as a base class. I know giving actual class features to a sorcerer sounds wild, but maybe it could work
Could be restricted to, say, always picking Pyromancy until we get other high level specialized sorcerers.
tarrangar
Fat arctic chicken
I would think that if we found anyone capable of taking our PrC, they would be capable of progressing all the way.
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Yes, and I'd aim to either artificially subvert that with a different class entirely, or just not try. The only thing I'm after here is that immunity to Sleep and Paralysis.
tarrangar
Fat arctic chicken
That just sound wrong from a story perspective, it's enough that Viserys out of character is a special snowflake, I don't want to have it be IC too by our PrC being unique to us, it should be possible for other adventurers to take it and ascend into a dragon as we did.
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Dann still people don't believe in demons westerosi citizens pretty much think all magic users are demons right? What about paladin spells I'm sure some can spin it off as blessings from their gods which it is but that's doesn't stop the populous from plocaiming it devil magic right?
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It's possible, sure, but rare as fuck.
Even among freaking halfdragons in the dawn of the Freehold, only fourteen were known to have ascended.
There are no Red Halfdragons anymore. There are only people with the faintest echo of the dragonblood, with even the strongest echoes in the dragonseeds being insanely diluted over the centuries.
It makes perfect sense that Viserys--one of four characters touched by destiny--would be one of the only ones alive capable of this PrC.
I'm not going to encourage people to follow exactly in his footsteps. It's his PrC, there's nothing wrong with it being unique to him.
I'm regretting bringing this up at all, all I was interested in was the Sleep and Paralysis immunity.
Exactly, I'm talking about those we are training in the Scholarium.
The idea is to just treat it as a base class. I know giving actual class features to a sorcerer sounds wild, but maybe it could work
Could be restricted to, say, always picking Pyromancy until we get other high level specialized sorcerers.
I could see that though it will take some IC attention to get a curriculum up for that.
tarrangar
Fat arctic chicken
Only 14 of the half-dragons ascended to gods, but I expect that was an epic PrC, we don't know how many of them ascended into full-blood dragons.
Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
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There are actually a lot of creatures with Suggestion as SLA.
Many Fey, some Dragons, Spectators of course, some Outsiders, etc.
Get either those or a Warlock with Charm if you are too cheap for a wand.
Infinite Suggestions means sooner or later one sticks.
"Come on in and have a seat, Maelor," Viserys commanded of his apprentice, though in truth the young man could no longer rightly be called such. His own peculiar power, sourced in part from the Abyss itself, had grown quite rapidly in the past year.
"I know that tone..." Maelor trailed off, dread beginning to show through his not so carefully schooled features.
"Now, now, there's no need to fear. I have a rather simple task for you this time. All you need to do is-"
"No!" The teen abruptly interrupted, standing so quickly as to nearly tilt over the chair he had sat upon. "No more hunting for bear asses, or the teats of a nursing dire honey badger, or tracking down the fabled left-handed hammer of the Brindled Men!" He shouted. "I'm tired of running for my life from enraged wildlife, or having to bargain away my firstborn to escape the clutches of an amorous Swamp Hag. I have seen things, Viserys, things which no man was meant to experience, terrible sights which even those bound for the Pit should be spared."
The rant apparently ended for the time being, with Maelor standing before him hunched over, fists clenched and breathing harsh, Viserys blinked in surprise. Apparently the young man had been holding on to these issues for some time now.
"As I was going to say," Viserys interjected midly, one silver eyebrow arched as he had often practiced before his bedchamber's mirror in lieu of sleep, "construction of the new Court of Law nears completion. Malarys, upon learning the exact nature of your powers, especially your inexhaustible ability to Charm others, requested your services in discerning those who speak true from those who would lie. I was hoping you might like to take a part time position as a Justice of the Peace."
"Oh," was the now bewildered Warlock's subdued reply.
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I think that, at a minimum, you'd have to be part of the 40 Families to take it. There are but a handful of people, read Targs, that meet that prereq. Dany is a cleric going Outsider that is busy becoming the masks she wears, Jon is half Stark and haunted/possessed, Aemon is free, I suppose.
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Goldfish
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Sorry, but no. We're definitely NOT going to make any more Sorcerers with the Dragonblood PrC. That's just asking for trouble. The possibility for others to do as Viserys did does not even need to exist as far as anyone else is concerned.
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Could that be included in a Viserys study action on how to properly awaken Sorcerers?
The point is they started with a hell of a lot more dragonblood than anyone in the current age did. The dragonblooded PrC makes a lot more sense for them. They're halfdragons. Dragonseeds in the current age? Not so much. Viserys, despite being one of the last dragonlords, still had blood diluted over millennia. It's a downright miracle that his blood was still potent enough for the PrC. Hell, even in late Valyria when the Freehold still thrived, the PrC was all but extinct. Malarys reacted with shock and awe for a good reason.
Thinking further on it, random dragonseeds whose blood is no doubt far more diluted that Viserys' being capable of taking the class doesn't make sense at all.
My desire to give the class to a prodigy taken under Viserys' wing is revoked, I really can't justify the reasoning behind it.
Yeah, it was a bad idea. I'm sorry for suggesting it.
No, they just view all magic with deep suspicion.
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That can be done with a Dragonblood substitution level at level 1. They get Draconic Heritage for free, lose their familiar, get UMD as a class skill and +2 to Knowledge (arcana).
That's a terrible trade. But if they replace Improved Initiative and bloodline of fire, they could get Draconic Toughness and Draconic Vigor. That would give them +6 hit points and some self-healing, +3 against sleep and paralysis, but -4 Init and -2d6 damage on Kelgore's Firebolt. So they'd be far less killy but far tougher, and they'd potentially be able to UMD a few scrolls of healing and whatnot.
@TotallyNotEvil, opinion? Should we switch to that? They'd lose damage, but 6HP stays relevant through levels 1-6 (getting a cap at 6 is great, btw!).
Dragonblood subtype also unlocks practical metamagic at level 6, and that's awesome with things like Fell Weaken or Sculpt Spell. On the other hand we could just give them all Arcane Thesis (Fireball) or watch them throw Silent Stilled Sculpted 10d6 fireballs at level 6 of we want to give them Metamagic feats.
@DragonParadox sorry if I missed it, but how do we generate stats for our Legion Sorcerers?
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@DragonParadox wouldn't dragonseeds be essentially Silverbrow humans?
I'm thinking up a super neat Pyromancer Sorcerer.
If they aren't Silverbrow, Dragonblood substitution is the way to go. We could pick up Bloodline of Fire, Draconic Power, Fiery Burst for a final Fire CL of 9. Enough for 5d8 Lesser Orbs of Fire, 8d8 Scorching Rays and 9d6 fireballs.
If we can boost that to 11, it'd be great.
I'm thinking up a super neat Pyromancer Sorcerer.
Where that Sphere of Fire thing you mentioned?
If they aren't Silverbrow, Dragonblood substitution is the way to go. We could pick up Bloodline of Fire, Draconic Power, Fiery Burst for a final Fire CL of 9. Enough for 5d8 Lesser Orbs of Fire, 8d8 Scorching Rays and 9d6 fireballs.
If we can boost that to 11, it'd be great.
Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
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Healing shouldn't be much of an issue for our newbie mages, and definitely shouldn't be something we build them around. Once Valeria the Crafter Arcanum is created, she'll be able to make Healing Belts for 45 IM each. She can make four per day at that cost. It would be trivial to equip every mage who leaves the Scholarium with a Healing Belt as part of their standard equipment.
tarrangar
Fat arctic chicken
Why would you have to be part of the 40 Families? The 40 Families were the leaders of Valyria, but they had the same blood as every other Valyrian, they just had an ancestor who won a place amongst the 40 during a dance.
Relath's children should be able to take a Brine Dragon variant of the class, after all they are actual half-dragons, any any half-dragon children we have, should be able to take our variant.
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Goldfish
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The reason they were the 40 Families to begin with was they won that place through pure magical power, as seen in one of Viserys' more awesome Dragon Dreams.
Those more likely to have great magical power are also more likely to have a greater affinity with their Draconic ancestors. The more the Dragonblood expressed itself, the more those who had a greater share of it rose to the top, until they became one of the ruling elite. That's how the Targaryens went from a family of Artificers to one of the 40. Once among the 40, intermarriage between them would have insured those traits were preserved or even enhanced.