Oh right, It is not like we know a spell that can erase memories.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
- Thread starter Boney
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- Location
- Russia
Disclamer: everything below is based on WFRP 2nd edition, it may have been changed by QM in this quest.
"Much more" is actually "more uses per day", not conflagration of doom or whatever. In WFRP Doomfire ring allows anyone to cast magister-strength fireball once per day (fireball is journeyman-level magic in itself). Actual Fire Lore user can cast extra 1-4 times from the ring, depending on his magical prowess (apprentice gets 1 extra use, Wizard Lord 4).
Nope, first Bright wizards -humans taught by Teclis- made it.
Fireball is magic used in battle, but it is not even close to proper battle magic. It has more range than Magic Dart and creates several projectiles, but damage per projectile is actually the same.
"Much more" is actually "more uses per day", not conflagration of doom or whatever. In WFRP Doomfire ring allows anyone to cast magister-strength fireball once per day (fireball is journeyman-level magic in itself). Actual Fire Lore user can cast extra 1-4 times from the ring, depending on his magical prowess (apprentice gets 1 extra use, Wizard Lord 4).
Nope, first Bright wizards -humans taught by Teclis- made it.
Fireball is magic used in battle, but it is not even close to proper battle magic. It has more range than Magic Dart and creates several projectiles, but damage per projectile is actually the same.
We could Mindhole them. It's not like we've put any effort into the relationship yet.
Alternatively, have them ordain Mathilde as a priest. She certainly has the Piety.
We can erase memories.
- Location
- Madness realms
Fireball is a free spell we can cast regardless of circumstance just point and click and it requires very little time or thought. If we ready for a charge/ambush/combat we can activate a buff on ourselves and our sword then blast a fireball and get in close combat. That fireball is a great opening for combat.
- Location
- Aotearoa
The spell erases all memories of the caster. These are priests to Ranald and our friendly contacts in the underworld. Mind holing them would have consequences to consider, please don't imply I forgot Mathildes favourite spell in her early ears.
Sinsystems
Patron Librarian
We could always do the classic "Sack over the head" trick.
TimEd
Meteor maker
Absolutely no desire to introduce ourselves to the witch hunters. Not only is it a position easy to abuse or discriminate, It opens us up to more annoying things later.
Its like we voluntarily go to Preston Garvey (Fal Out 4) and willingly suffer the torture that is another settlemet.
Maybe if we are at magister rank so we're higher up the totem pole.
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- Location
- Earth
Can I just say, this is very nice to have made clear. Now we are only on the hook for the stolen cash, books, and the Liber Mortis.
Also @BoneyM Good on you for the feedback. You're really good at that.
Ok then, I think something like this:
[X] Keep Blacksmiths Tools
[X] Melt down the idol, cast it into a new one to Ranald, call in your priest friends to re-sanctify the room. (bonus to rolls and reduced cost to creating a second shrine to Ranald, either in your Estate or elsewhere, +1 room, ???)
[X] Return to the Bright College (???)
[X] Dwarven Revolver, 125 gc.
It occurs to me that between this and our magic horse we could play keep away from melee enemies for pretty much ever. Our biggest problem would be running out of ammo.
I both like and hate the choices here. I want all of them, kind of. Except from the markdwarfs pistol. We would need to train pistols a hell of a lot to be worthy of that thing. But Revolver seems a happy medium.
No, seriously, WHY would you worship a forbidden ocean deity in a place that distinctly lacks an ocean? It seems like a lot of risk with absolutely no reward.
The Doomfire Ring exists in both the tabletop game and the RPG, and it's exact stats vary wildly. In the RPG, it does three strength 3 hits. In 6th edition of the tabletop, it does 1d6 strength 3 hits. In the 7th edition, it does a strength 4 hit to everyone in a direct line for something like forty yards. I will take absolutely none of this into account should the ring ever be used. I would encourage everyone to stop drawing conclusions based on the rules of other games.
It is a fireball ring. It shoots fireballs. The fireballs will kill things that they hit. Do you want to kill things with fireballs?
It is a fireball ring. It shoots fireballs. The fireballs will kill things that they hit. Do you want to kill things with fireballs?
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TimEd
Meteor maker
[X] Keep Blacksmiths Tools
[X] Melt down theidol, cast it into a new one to Ranald, call in your priest friends to re-sanctify the room. (bonus to rolls and reduced cost to creating a second shrine to Ranald, either in your Estate or elsewhere, +1 room, ???)
[X] Return to the Bright College (???)
[X] Dwarven Pistol: 100 gc and Dwarven Revolver, 125 gc.
Just adding this again to consolidate the gun vote
[X] Melt down theidol, cast it into a new one to Ranald, call in your priest friends to re-sanctify the room. (bonus to rolls and reduced cost to creating a second shrine to Ranald, either in your Estate or elsewhere, +1 room, ???)
[X] Return to the Bright College (???)
[X] Dwarven Pistol: 100 gc and Dwarven Revolver, 125 gc.
Just adding this again to consolidate the gun vote
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LoganBert34
Apprentice Clerk
- Location
- Australia
Hey, similar things have happened IRL. Pre-WW2 Hungary was led by an ex-admiral, despite being completely landlocked
Chances are, whoever built it started worshipping Mr. Sharky while he was a sailor, and ended up in a position of power in whoever who led Stirland at the time.
[X] Keep Blacksmiths Tools
[X] Melt down the idol, cast it into a new one to Ranald, call in your priest friends to re-sanctify the room. (bonus to rolls and reduced cost to creating a second shrine to Ranald, either in your Estate or elsewhere, +1 room, ???)
[X] Return to the Bright College (???)
[X] Dwarven Revolver, 125 gc.
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- Location
- Aotearoa
Other than eight years of general Rep building as a sneaky, scary, clever badass on top of a favourable first impression, no.
Forgot to vote earlier.
[X] Keep Blacksmiths Tools
As I said, we don't have any pressing need for more cash just yet, so we can see if we can find a way to make use of them.
[X] Melt down the idol, cast it into a new one to Ranald, call in your priest friends to re-sanctify the room. (bonus to rolls and reduced cost to creating a second shrine to Ranald, either in your Estate or elsewhere, +1 room, ???)
I'm not too worried about bringing Wolf and Heideck into the Buried Palace. We have a bunch of options for keeping the location secret, and if worst comes to worst we haven't done much with them anyway, so we can Mindhole them. That said, I'm partial to the idea of Mathilde being ordained as a Priestess of Ranald herself if possible.
[X] Return it to the Bright College (???).
Let the Brights have their magic item back. We've already started investing actions into enchanting items, so it's not like we'll never see another magic ring. Grey Wizards, judging by Regimand's example, run on favours. Getting a favour from another College before she's even made Magister should look good for Mathilde.
[X] Dwarven Revolver, 125 gc.
[X] 2 Dwarven Revolvers, 250 gc.
Ever since we learned Blessed Hands applied to bullets, we've been wanting something with a high rate of fire. And if one revolver's good, two must be gooder.
[X] Keep Blacksmiths Tools
As I said, we don't have any pressing need for more cash just yet, so we can see if we can find a way to make use of them.
[X] Melt down the idol, cast it into a new one to Ranald, call in your priest friends to re-sanctify the room. (bonus to rolls and reduced cost to creating a second shrine to Ranald, either in your Estate or elsewhere, +1 room, ???)
I'm not too worried about bringing Wolf and Heideck into the Buried Palace. We have a bunch of options for keeping the location secret, and if worst comes to worst we haven't done much with them anyway, so we can Mindhole them. That said, I'm partial to the idea of Mathilde being ordained as a Priestess of Ranald herself if possible.
[X] Return it to the Bright College (???).
Let the Brights have their magic item back. We've already started investing actions into enchanting items, so it's not like we'll never see another magic ring. Grey Wizards, judging by Regimand's example, run on favours. Getting a favour from another College before she's even made Magister should look good for Mathilde.
[X] Dwarven Revolver, 125 gc.
[X] 2 Dwarven Revolvers, 250 gc.
Ever since we learned Blessed Hands applied to bullets, we've been wanting something with a high rate of fire. And if one revolver's good, two must be gooder.
And will Mathilde stop being a sneaky, scary, clever badass? We won't get the first impression again, but it's not like the thread's ever been overly interested in Influence actions. By the time we get around to dealing with them again, another eight years will have probably passed.
Sinsystems
Patron Librarian
I think it would have the opposite effect, first of all they already know who we are by our reputation at the very least. By taking the initiative to introduce ourselves and offer to help we at least turn ourselves from a vague being of reputation to a servant of Stirland willing to help.
[X] Keep Blacksmiths Tools
We can sell them later, or hand over to our castle smith or whatever.
[X] Dwarven Revolver, 125 gc.
Ideally I'd want 3, we could be Revolver Wizard.
[X] Melt down the idol, cast it into a new one to Ranald, call in your priest friends to re-sanctify the room. (bonus to rolls and reduced cost to creating a second shrine to Ranald, either in your Estate or elsewhere, +1 room, ???)
Stromfels can hate us all it wants.
[X] Keep it
We can sell them later, or hand over to our castle smith or whatever.
[X] Dwarven Revolver, 125 gc.
Ideally I'd want 3, we could be Revolver Wizard.
[X] Melt down the idol, cast it into a new one to Ranald, call in your priest friends to re-sanctify the room. (bonus to rolls and reduced cost to creating a second shrine to Ranald, either in your Estate or elsewhere, +1 room, ???)
Stromfels can hate us all it wants.
But of course.
[X] Keep it
The law of protagonist bias asserts otherwise. World does revolve around Mathilde.
TimEd
Meteor maker
But we are a part of the nobility of Stirland. And have already done quite a few things to show we are willing and certainly able to help (i.e. the watch, letter, and reputation).
I believe that the Witch Hunter we were replaced with would only deign to ask for our help if there literally isnt any other choice available.
Edit: Also it puts us in a position of GREAT weakness. Makes us seem submissive and easy to take advantage of due to perceived desperation perhaps?
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- Location
- Chicago
[X] Keep Blacksmiths Tools
[X] Melt down the idol, cast it into a new one to Ranald, call in your priest friends to re-sanctify the room. (bonus to rolls and reduced cost to creating a second shrine to Ranald, either in your Estate or elsewhere, +1 room, ???)
[X] Return to the Bright College (???)
Don't much care about the pistol vote. Leaving the idol is leaving a liability lying around, it has to go. The ring isn't that useful to us, we have our own attack spells and guns. Later favors could get us something more attuned to our needs.
Not at all interested. They got rid of us, time to up and move on. No point in trying to work with people who are openly hostile. We have the increadible freedom to choose what we want to do right now. Why squander it begging for a lesser position than we once had from somebody who has already expressed their bias against us?
[X] Melt down the idol, cast it into a new one to Ranald, call in your priest friends to re-sanctify the room. (bonus to rolls and reduced cost to creating a second shrine to Ranald, either in your Estate or elsewhere, +1 room, ???)
[X] Return to the Bright College (???)
Don't much care about the pistol vote. Leaving the idol is leaving a liability lying around, it has to go. The ring isn't that useful to us, we have our own attack spells and guns. Later favors could get us something more attuned to our needs.
Not at all interested. They got rid of us, time to up and move on. No point in trying to work with people who are openly hostile. We have the increadible freedom to choose what we want to do right now. Why squander it begging for a lesser position than we once had from somebody who has already expressed their bias against us?
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VoidZero
Passing Flan 布丁魔王
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- Anywhere but RL
It's a very good idea to not piss off any more gods.
[X] Keep Blacksmiths Tools
[X] Leave the idol on the altar and brick the room up. No sense taking risks.
[X] Return it to the Bright College (???).
[X] Dwarven Revolver, 125 gc.
[X] Keep Blacksmiths Tools
[X] Leave the idol on the altar and brick the room up. No sense taking risks.
[X] Return it to the Bright College (???).
[X] Dwarven Revolver, 125 gc.
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They would prefer you got a proper Rune-Priest to do it, but they understand that humans don't actually have Rune-Priests and so you have to do the best with the resources you have available in these troubled times.
Sinsystems
Patron Librarian
And I believe that it would be beneficial to at the very least make the attempt. Also there is a difference between being unwilling to ask for her and being willing to accept an offer for help.