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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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Raichu1972 said:
It...smacks of him disagreeing with Malarys/Viserys?

Like, you're acting as though he burned down your trophy room or something,when all he did was say that we shouldn't have made the fey drake armor.
Sure, it's hypocritical, but everyone is. Hell, Viserys is a pretty large hypocrite and no one ever bats an eye.

And yes, you can justify said hypocrisy with "practicality", but it doesn't change what it is.
I would think Waymar saying a sentence of disagreement would garner at worst one snide remark, not the beginning of another salt fest from the thread.
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Yeah, I'm mad because it reeks of another "moral dilemma" we have to deal with completely out of the blue. If this is the end of it then I'll have no real problem, even if I think Waymar is being stupid for no reason. Waymar saying things that I disagree with always gets a rise out of me, especially when what he says threatens practicality in any way. He's a good person and he means well, but sometimes he just.... yeah, better not to go on too much of a tangent there. But yes, I got annoyed because it felt like that came up for pretty much no reason and just made Waymar seem overall dumber.
 
It doesn't help that it hit Duesal where it hurts most.

The guy doesn't like it when you poke the shiny issue. Withholding shiny? Ooohhooo boy.
 
Crake said:
It doesn't help that it hit Duesal where it hurts most.

The guy doesn't like it when you poke the shiny issue. Withholding shiny? Ooohhooo boy.
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Needless to say if it ever comes up again he's just going to be shut down. The parts of magical creatures--especially dragons--are far too useful to not harvest out of nothing but squeamishness. Bones will be made into bows, hide will be worn as armor, etc.

Anyway, @Goldfish, there are two wizard apprentices in the city. Or at least there were. (6 in total, 2 in the city, the rest elsewhere). If they're here we should make a strong effort to hunt them down. They're baby wizards. If left to their own devices Illyrio will make them dangerous threats.
 
Duesal said:
Needless to say if it ever comes up again he's just going to be shut down. The parts of magical creatures--especially dragons--are far too useful to not harvest out of nothing but squeamishness. Bones will be made into bows, hide will be worn as armor, etc.

Anyway, @Goldfish, there are two wizard apprentices in the city. Or at least there were. (6 in total, 2 in the city, the rest elsewhere). If they're here we should make a strong effort to hunt them down. They're baby wizards. If left to their own devices Illyrio will make them dangerous threats.
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I was actually considering taking a bit of the disintegrated dust from the Smith and divining if he'd serve us faithfully were him to be reincarnated.

Anyway, just checked the front page, and the Mithral plates don't denote they are +1, even if their AC bonus is correct.

Dany is also stacking Mage Armour with her Mithral plate.

Hers should have a Wildling Clasp attached so it works with other forms.
 
TotallyNotEvil said:
I was actually considering taking a bit of the disintegrated dust from the Smith and divining if he'd serve us faithfully were him to be reincarnated.

Anyway, just checked the front page, and the Mithral plates don't denote they are +1, even if their AC bonus is correct.

Dany is also stacking Mage Armour with her Mithral plate.

Hers should have a Wildling Clasp attached so it works with other forms.
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I wouldn't mind that so much. A Yss-backed confirmation is all I'd need before stepping aside and bringing him back. But his apprentices need to be hunted down if they're still within our grasp. Not only will they be able to tell us a lot more about what Illyrio and Tiamat have been up to and more importantly where they've been dungeon delving, but by capturing them we deny Illyrio some pretty hard-to-replace assets.
 
Wasn't there something about Illyrio possibly using non-detection or Private Sanctum to fool the Wayfinder? He could still be here in some bolthole somewhere.
 
Can we finally go to King's Landing and check out the Dragonpit? We're visiting the Royce's this turn, so it's our last chance to find their VS sword Lamentation in order to make a huge first impression.
 
Algalon said:
Can we finally go to King's Landing and check out the Dragonpit? We're visiting the Royce's this turn, so it's our last chance to find their VS sword Lamentation in order to make a huge first impression.
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I'd prefer to not go to the seat of power of the man whose most fervent wish is for our death. At least not without overwhelming force to unseat him and win.
 
Returning to our actual moral dilemma, building off of Goldfish's vote, but trying to be a little bit more lenient and get more value out of the golden company by pushing them to turn on Tiamat.

[X] Try to reestablish some semblance of order and judge them according to their involvement in the plot
-[X] In particular, seek out the location of those apprentice wizards that were mentioned earlier, and attempt to capture them.
-[X] Those who attempt to flee or fight will be killed where they stand, but those who accept the call to surrender will be spared and judged.
-[X] After reuniting with Lya, make sure to preserve some of the remains of the mage smith scattering the rest, just in case.
-[X] Do your best to preserve one of the Abishai corpses.
-[X] Roughly every half-hour, check for Illyrio's presence with the Wayfinder.
--[X] Once gathered, explain to the sellswords what their masters had planned for them, abandoning them to die to undead unleashed in an attempt to harm us. Not even a betrayal, they were of such low esteem that they were incidental, their deaths an afterthought. Mere things to use and toss aside by she-of-many-colors, at her whims, she would reduce them to less than men. She is a poor god to follow, and an even worse employer. Her wages are death, and her reward an eternity of being one of her things.
--[X] However, despite how little she values them, they are hers. She will not let them go, and on their own she will reclaim them and use them until they are dead and ruined, and then there will be no escaping her. Their only hope is someone powerful enough to openly oppose her and defeat her mortal servants. Someone like you. They must denounce her, and never give her worship again. If they do so, and travel west to your lands, they might regain their freedom to work how they wish, for who they wish, under your protective aegis.
---[X] Take the officers aside, and cross-examine them to determine their character, who have directly contracted with demons or devils, who were the most vocal supporters of Tiamat, and who might be a true Blackfyre diehard loyalist still. Hang the men guilty of those things for their crimes, and for leading their men into the worst folly.
---[X] During the interrogations, do your best to learn of where else Illyrio has been operating, and where other detachments of the Golden Company might be.

Rough draft. Thoughts?
 
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@Diomedon, can you also include a round of interrogations? Malarys can be in charge of that. We need to find out everything. Where Illyrio and Tiamat have taken interest in, if there are any other places of magical interest, what active plans in Essos and Westeros they know of, etc.

But yeah, I'm happy that hunting down the baby wizards takes top priority. When we find them the real interrogations begin.

[X] Diomedon
TotallyNotEvil said:
[X] Diomedon

@Diomedon Do underline that we are out to capture the apprentices, as to avoid them resisting.

Get some scoops of Smith Dust to see if we could Reincarnate him.
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Agreed. Hunting them down should be our absolute top priority before anything else even comes into the picture.
 
TotallyNotEvil said:
[X] Diomedon

@Diomedon Do underline that we are out to capture the apprentices, as to avoid them resisting.

Get some scoops of Smith Dust to see if we could Reincarnate him.
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I'm already aiming to capture them, so I'm not entirely sure what you want me to add there?

Added nabbing some of the smith (and scattering what we leave behind)

Duesal said:
@Diomedon, can you also include a round of interrogations? Malarys can be in charge of that. We need to find out everything. Where Illyrio and Tiamat have taken interest in, if there are any other places of magical interest, what active plans in Essos and Westeros they know of, etc.
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That's what the cross-examinations are. I'll try to make that more explicit.
 
Diomedon said:
I'm already aiming to capture them, so I'm not entirely sure what you want me to add there?

Added nabbing some of the smith (and scattering what we leave behind)
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Basically making it the first priority before we do anything else. We already missed Illyrio. Maybe if we're lucky we can get the wizards, but we have to be quick.

Also, I want to spend one or two days stripping down the city of everything of value. Illyrio and Tiamat set up a base here for a reason, and the catacombs are a perfect dungeon. This is a great excuse to give Teana, Xor, and Leila some XP before Tyrosh.
 
Mormont said:
I'd prefer to not go to the seat of power of the man whose most fervent wish is for our death. At least not without overwhelming force to unseat him and win.
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If there's anybody we should be worried about, it should be whoever staged Cersei & Myrcella's assassination. We know that the Crown is basically powerless in terms of magic, else they would have secured to roads from the Reach to the capital by now. The only risk lies in the Red Keep, which we know has blood wards from Maegor's time.

We have the perfected Disguise Brooches now, so we can enter and leave the city at will without having another 'oops' moment like in White Harbor. For maximum paranoia we can always just have a courier deliver an arcane mark directly to the dragonpit, teleport in, check the Wayfinder for VS and dragon eggs, clear the necessary rubble and fuck off. We can even use Divination and ask "Will somebody disturb us if we stay for X hours?"

All in all this should takes us no more than a single day and could net us multiple Valyrian Steel swords - that used to belong to prominent houses and thus can be used to score diplomacy points - and a haul of dragon eggs.
 
@Diomedon Please add having someone check the Wayfinder every half hour for Illyrio's presence. If he's hiding in a magically shrouded bolthole, it might only have temporary protection.
 
Well honestly we should have seen this coming since the debate on weather doing evil things evil creatures was really an evil act or not. If the salt over this one objection is anything to go by then I can see how after a few eons of entities whining about it even the Legions of heaven and paradise and even the concept of good itself could come to a unanimous stance on the morality of it.
 
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@Diomedon, as a personal favor, can you have someone retrieve the best-preserved Green Abishai and use the Conch of Restful Death on it? I've watched two separate trophies slip through our fingers in this mission and I don't want to go home completely empty-handed.
 
Goldfish said:
@Diomedon Please add having someone check the Wayfinder every half hour for Illyrio's presence. If he's hiding in a magically shrouded bolthole, it might only have temporary protection.
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Sure.

Duesal said:
@Diomedon, as a personal favor, can you have someone retrieve the best-preserved Green Abishai and use the Conch of Restful Death on it? I've watched two separate trophies slip through our fingers in this mission and I don't want to go home completely empty-handed.
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Can do.
 
@Diomedon I've been tinkering with the schedule a bit. The only thing I moved was to shift some of Dany's allotted days for research into helping Garin procreate, since the Illyrio mission superseded it.

Everything else was just to highlight in red the days various party members have gain due to the shortened Illyrio mission and the removal of the Dracolich mission.

Assuming we wrap up the current parts of the Illyrio mission tomorrow on the 18th, Viserys, Richard, Waymar, and Malarys will have 6 days, Dany will have 4, and Lya will have 12. I would like to set aside two or three for Lya to learn some new spells, but the rest would let us get a good amount of additional crafting done.
 
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Oh. By the way, we also just got new ships. We could literally carry them to Sorcerer's Deep if we wanted to. :D
Goldfish said:
@Diomedom I've been tinkering with the schedule a bit. The only thing I moved was to shift some of Dany's allotted days for research into helping Garin procreate, since the Illyrio mission superseded it.

Everything else was just to highlight in red the days various party members have gain due to the shortened Illyrio mission and the removal of the Dracolich mission.

Assuming we wrap up the current parts of the Illyrio mission tomorrow on the 18th, Viserys, Richard, Waymar, and Malarys will have 6 days, Dany will have 4, and Lya will have 12. I would like to set aside two or three for Lya to learn some new spells, but the rest would let us get a good amount of additional crafting done.
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Honestly @Goldfish, I would prefer to spend one or two days stripping this city of everything of worth before we go.
 
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