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She enthralled the audience, she overcame Paul's Spell Eater (aka the best one extant), she warps reality and OL just got done telling the president that the only place that she was reliably containable was TARTARUS.

The chains stop magic, you have to have magic working on her to break the curse; you can't break it without removing the chains which gives her back her reality altering powers. It's simple causality.

Take chain off; she can affect the world again with her reality warping powers and her only weakness is the Lasso of Truth. Why don't you actually go READ her character page. Pay special attention to her Powers and Weaknesses section. Tsaritsa (New Earth)

You have to take the chains off to break the curse. Which is very STUPID.

And she did mentally attack the president/ruler so dosent that get death penelty or jail for life?

If thats true then eternal imprisonment in Tartrus is going easy on her when death is on the table.
 
And she did mentally attack the president/ruler so dosent that get death penelty or jail for life?

If thats true then eternal imprisonment in Tartrus is going easy on her when death is on the table.
She's immortal, can shapeshift, can alter immense amounts of land at will, teleport at will and is a being of fiction who's sustained by magic... The likely hood of anyone holding her is non existent without something that can completely neutralize her powers.

Killing immortal beings ... ask Paul nicely to be executioner and use the Sword of the Fallen? It ... might stick. (That's what we're calling the Sword of Second and Third right?)
 
The Queen of Fables is probably powerful enough to trigger the 'strip of powers and forcibly reincarnate' effect. Which would result in her appearing at a random location with a new face and all her knowledge intact.
 
Stop: No - This Is Not Okay
I vote for 'feed her into a woodchipper feet first'.


no - this is not okay Hello there, everyone!

There are limits to the sort of advocacy of violence you can openly wish upon someone on this board, regardless of how downright unpleasant, awful, or otherwise deserving you may think they are. For the reference of everyone in this thread (and hello again, readers of WTR, fancy meeting you all here) the line is way before you start to advocate feeding someone through a woodchipper feet first in any given state of consciousness. @frustratedbuffa, @Godogma, please do not do this again in future. For everyone else, please be mindful of what you are posting, even when your temper is up.


With that said, carry on, posters!
 
Honestly I do't really see what's so bad about this.
She was mindraping Paul, seems perfectly fair he doesn't want to risk her doing anything like that ever again.
 
[stop=No - This Is Not Okay]Hello there, everyone!

There are limits to the sort of advocacy of violence you can openly wish upon someone on this board, regardless of how downright unpleasant, awful, or otherwise deserving you may think they are. For the reference of everyone in this thread (and hello again, readers of WTR, fancy meeting you all here) the line is way before you start to advocate feeding someone through a woodchipper feet first in any given state of consciousness. @frustratedbuffa, @Godogma, please do not do this again in future. For everyone else, please be mindful of what you are posting, even when your temper is up.[/stop]

With that said, carry on, posters!


Do those rules even apply to fictional characters?

Gratuitousness violence is a part of comic-book setting. If the Punisher can feed dudes into wood-chippers or set bears on them, then we should be free to talk about it here.

Edit: Yeah yeah, not the place to talk about mod rulings. Point still stands.
 
She enthralled the audience, she overcame Paul's Spell Eater (aka the best one extant), she warps reality and OL just got done telling the president that the only place that she was reliably containable was TARTARUS.

The chains stop magic, you have to have magic working on her to break the curse; you can't break it without removing the chains which gives her back her reality altering powers. It's simple causality.

Take chain off; she can affect the world again with her reality warping powers and her only weakness is the Lasso of Truth. Why don't you actually go READ her character page. Pay special attention to her Powers and Weaknesses section. Tsaritsa (New Earth)

You have to take the chains off to break the curse. Which is very STUPID. (Unless you're in a place where here powers don't work; like ... Tartarus.)
Even if all this is true for Earth-16, Paul usually goes over his options at least mentally, going through his opponent's powers and seeing how he can or cannot overcome them.

Here he makes no effort to see how she could be fixed or rehabilitated, or pretty much any comment of her at all. Considering how this is his first opponent that is in custody after spending any amount of time wiping the floor with him, the fact that he completely bypasses his usual habits and goes straight to 'eternal stay in hell', it leads to unfortunate implications on just how much he believes his own argument.
 
"Orange Lantern, would you and Troia please come out to the foyer." Diana's voice. "We need to decide what we are going to do with the Queen of Fables."

"We'll be there in a-."

"Please, walk. People are nervous enough as it is."
Diana's speech should be full Orange because it's coming from the ring
Clio nods. "There are American guards are all around and we have Zosime and Mala. We will be fine."
I think he second 'are' shouldn't be there.
On the other hand, Donna's probably ageless from adulthood in the same way Diana is,
Funny that this comes up so shortly after it being discussed in thread.
 
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Do those rules even apply to fictional characters?

Gratuitousness violence is a part of comic-book setting. If the Punisher can feed dudes into wood-chippers or set bears on them, then we should be free to talk about it here.

Edit: Yeah yeah, not the place to talk about mod rulings. Point still stands.

warning The Community Compact explicitly states that rule 2 applies to fictional and historical persons. While that application is somewhat relaxed in cases of fictional characters, about the time that people are talking about their preferred method of torturing a fictional character is about the time people should be told to get a grip. Because, seriously, get a grip.

As I recall this isn't the first time we've had to warn people against the advocacy of gratuitous violence in this thread, and to be perfectly honest I don't want to have to keep sending moderators in here to get people to chill out. I don't care about the time that Black Adam killed a whole bunch of people or the Sentry tore those guys in half or whatever messed up thing happened in Punisher MAX. SV has rules so just wind it all back a little, peeps.

iamnuff you can take a week off from this thread under rule 5. If you know not to go about these things in this way, just don't.
 
Even if all this is true for Earth-16, Paul usually goes over his options at least mentally, going through his opponent's powers and seeing how he can or cannot overcome them.

Here he makes no effort to see how she could be fixed or rehabilitated, or pretty much any comment of her at all. Considering how this is his first opponent that is in custody after spending any amount of time wiping the floor with him, the fact that he completely bypasses his usual habits and goes straight to 'eternal stay in hell', it leads to unfortunate implications on just how much he believes his own argument.
I don't know. If he's flying her down himself, it seems like it absolutely is a starting point for further character development, redemption, therapy, and spreading that bloody CCG of his throughout the Greek-speaking world.

Edit: oh no, does the CCG count as a potential home for her? oh no
 
Even if all this is true for Earth-16, Paul usually goes over his options at least mentally, going through his opponent's powers and seeing how he can or cannot overcome them.

Here he makes no effort to see how she could be fixed or rehabilitated, or pretty much any comment of her at all. Considering how this is his first opponent that is in custody after spending any amount of time wiping the floor with him, the fact that he completely bypasses his usual habits and goes straight to 'eternal stay in hell', it leads to unfortunate implications on just how much he believes his own argument.

I think its more he doesn't think she can be rehabilitated, she isn't misguided she has an alien mindset that makes her immensely dangerous and enough power that she could do a lot of damage If she decided to follow the wrong story. For example lets say she makes NORAD act out Dr Strangelove. So since she can't be rehabilitated Paul has no desire to show her mercy since there is no return on it.
 
I think its more he doesn't think she can be rehabilitated, she isn't misguided she has an alien mindset that makes her immensely dangerous and enough power that she could do a lot of damage If she decided to follow the wrong story. For example lets say she makes NORAD act out Dr Strangelove. So since she can't be rehabilitated Paul has no desire to show her mercy since there is no return on it.
Considering we see his thoughts and feelings, that should still be shown somewhere.

Atm he goes from treating everyone with "This is how things could be less shit for you and/or society, here's your chance to decide to be a better person." to "You fucked with me; eternal damnation for you."
 
Possessing the CCG would make her play by Babylon Five rules. And one of the Babylon Five rules is that ancient inscrutable beings with powers beyond mortal ken manipulating us for their own inscrutable reason always lose. It takes a while, but they lose. Tricking her into possessing a work that doesn't allow her to win is a pretty good trick.
 
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