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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Twelve)

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Tartarus doesn't have to involve actual torture. It is also a completely reliable way of preventing her from using her magic.
 
I guess I'm a romantic, I'd send The Queen of Fables to Earth 33 where she can hook up with Ultra Comics, the living comic book, DC's other most meta character, and help keep the Gentry trapped in a comic book.

And if that didn't work out, I suspect that the memesmiths of Earth 33 would probably be able to handle her.
 
Godogma said:
Who cares? She attacked the President of the US; execution is on the docket for her anyway. If the Secret Service hadn't been whammied she'd have already had a .40 Caliber enema.
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No she didn't she attacked Paul, for a given level of attacked. I mean considering that he seemed to be in his own mind, though with an altered situation/back story, otherwise the ending they got would not be, well, the ending they got.

As far as the audience, they thought it was still the play.

Plus, it seems like she left him a way out, because if she was in control of the story as people are suggesting, there is no way he should have survived that.

And finally, if she is under a compulsion, or a curse she is not in control of her actions, and really should not be held responsible.

I would say containment until the curse could be broken would be the most just.
 
kjyl said:
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Most of that just doesn't matter; she also enthralled everyone in the theater and has overcome the Spell Eaters, even the very best of them and can warp reality to her will. She can't be contained, they don't have a reliable method of breaking the curse AND disallowing her to affect the minds of everyone at the same time. Since she has to be in the magic eating restraints which would eat anything you tried to do to the curse as well.

Frankly breaking the curse isn't going to happen under those constraints. Also, your idea of justice doesn't matter because if Paul thought it was viable he'd have suggested it and his solution was to drop her into Tartarus where she can't warp reality or escape.
 
storybookknight said:
MINI-OMAKE

As usual, Oliver Queen was on a rooftop. That always seemed to be a thing, superheroes and rooftops - though I was hardly one to discount the value of an aerial perspective. I flew down towards him, landing gently on the rooftop nearby. "Slow night?"

Mr. Queen nodded. "Pretty quiet so far. What brings you to Star City? In need of more romantic advice?"

"Actually, sir..." I say, and Mr. Queen groans.

"That was supposed to be a joke, kid." He says, putting one hand to his forehead. "Let me guess, the princess of an alien civilization has descended to Earth, and will destroy Metropolis unless you satisfy her every desire."

I blinked. I didn't think that anyone had heard from Blackfire anytime recently... and that was a different continuity anyway. "Not quite. More, I saved the Muse Calliope from rape a few months ago, and yesterday one of Wonder Woman's villains magically coerced me into... well, taking a few sexual liberties with her, at the very least. It's all a bit... fuzzy..."

Mr. Queen sighs heavily. "That's - well. Yeah, that's a situation, all right." He looks up at me and runs his hand through his hair, as if bracing himself. "Mind-controlling villains can do some, well, some pretty nasty things. Are you looking for someone to talk to? Someone who knows what it's like?"

I shake my head. "Well, not exactly. She didn't exactly seem unhappy about the whole situation. Though, her father might be, and he might be mad at me already for getting Hera to divorce him..." I say, casting a nervous glance at the sky. "Really, I was just wondering if you had any advice on what kind of flowers I should send. I think she'll get them if I send them to the fountain of Aganippe..."
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You should probably add orange quotes (") for Paul
 
Mr Zoat said:
22nd March
22:12 GMT -4

That could kill her.
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Tartarus.
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Might be missing something here but is there a practical difference between killing someone and transporting them to the afterlife manually?

It occurs that magic users are going to suffer a significant nerf in coming years. As spell eaters continue to proliferate their ability to fight is going to be impaired.
On the one hand: Nabu gets shafted. On the other, Zatanna and John get shafted even worse.
 
Angelform said:
It occurs that magic users are going to suffer a significant nerf in coming years. As spell eaters continue to proliferate their ability to fight is going to be impaired.
On the one hand: Nabu gets shafted. On the other, Zatanna and John get shafted even worse.
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Spell Eaters are hard to make without a power ring; especially those of immense effectiveness. They're not going to proliferate all that much; especially considering they're a controlled item from Atlantis. Remember the talk the Queen had with Paul oh so long ago about him buying the low powered one?
 
Godogma said:
Most of that just doesn't matter; she also enthralled everyone in the theater and has overcome the Spell Eaters, even the very best of them and can warp reality to her will. She can't be contained, they don't have a reliable method of breaking the curse AND disallowing her to affect the minds of everyone at the same time. Since she has to be in the magic eating restraints which would eat anything you tried to do to the curse as well.

Frankly breaking the curse isn't going to happen under those constraints. Also, your idea of justice doesn't matter because if Paul thought it was viable he'd have suggested it and his solution was to drop her into Tartarus where she can't warp reality or escape.
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Is your information canon in Earth-16? Because there's been nothing in Paul's commentary that she is actually uncontainable or unfixable, or indeed anything at all about the issues in question.
 
Angelform said:
Might be missing something here but is there a practical difference between killing someone and transporting them to the afterlife manually?
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It's presumably much easier to bring them back if they still have a living body. OL just left the Greek afterlife the way he came after all.

Angelform said:
It occurs that magic users are going to suffer a significant nerf in coming years. As spell eaters continue to proliferate their ability to fight is going to be impaired.
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In some ways. Against otherwise normal people though they'll still have options that won't work against someone who has a Spell Eater and a power ring or invulnerability. Such as, using magic to direct or create non-magical attacks; OL can withstand something like molten rock being dumped on him, but most people can't. OL makes Spell Eaters look even better than they are because something has to be able to simultaneously beat a Spell Eater and a power ring to hurt him.

Also, the same techniques that make Spell Eaters so strong are sooner or later going to be applied to offensive magical devices.
 
She enthralled the audience, she overcame Paul's Spell Eater (aka the best one extant), she warps reality and OL just got done telling the president that the only place that she was reliably containable was TARTARUS.

The chains stop magic, you have to have magic working on her to break the curse; you can't break it without removing the chains which gives her back her reality altering powers. It's simple causality.

Take chain off; she can affect the world again with her reality warping powers and her only weakness is the Lasso of Truth. Why don't you actually go READ her character page. Pay special attention to her Powers and Weaknesses section. Tsaritsa (New Earth)

You have to take the chains off to break the curse. Which is very STUPID. (Unless you're in a place where here powers don't work; like ... Tartarus.)
 
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