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I'm a libertarian that tends to be opposed to authoritarianism / top-down unilateral action, and even so I'm finding this to be over the top.

It's one thing to disagree with other people. That's fine. But all I see here is resorting to childish namecalling because someone proposed that we *gasp, horror* be nice to other people and asked that users maintain a basic level of decorum. This isn't "SJW" behavior; this is a fundamental part of being a civil community. This kind of reaction is tantamount to saying "I should be allowed to say anything I want, but other people (i.e. mods/admins) should be limited on what they're allowed to say."
Seems post seems to be gone now.
 
OL speculated that the difference between gods and titans was political rather than magical, and I don't believe we've seen evidence to the contrary.
That's just about right. Aphrodite was born from either Ouranos' gentals thrown into the sea by Cronus, or from Zeus and Dione, and she was an olympian godess as well. Also, until the comparatively benevolent titan Prometheus gifted mankind with fire, neither the Olympians nor the Titans saw much use in them. The gods are not completely dependent on human worship, but it's likely to empower them. Probably why Abraham's god is both very strong, and doesn't need to play well with others, being the most popular choice by far. Categorically denying the existence of other deities, his followers are unlikely to ever contribute worship and tribute to 'rival' gods.
 
The Titan's aren't gods, and their power at least in the general comic universes wasn't magical or worship based in nature.

Also you should read up on Sisyphus.

In fact given the chain and sorcerer thing that would probably be a very easy role for the Queen to slip into.

even if it wasn't meant to contain gods it was made by the olympians with the intent to hold thing at (or possibly above) there own weight class, and when your in the same weight class as a full pantheon of gods that means have some kind of magic. Diving beings (and other creatures on a similar power level) who are supposedly simply strong often do stuff like wrestle storms or other feats that imply a more than mundane aspect to there strength.

as for Sisypus, he tricked the guards and technically did so before he was fully in tartarus. That's also exactly one guy who's managed to escape the place and even he only did so by tricking the guards before he was put in his cell.
 
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You mean we don't know if it's the case or not in the WTR continuity.

Because from I recall there hasn't actually been anything definitive said on it one way or another.
Hem-hem.

Mr Zoat on SB said:
Senevri said:
Well, god needs prayer badly in DC-verse, so being sufficiently worshipped may have counted;
Nope. Hellblazer: All His Engines made it clear that the number of worshippers doesn't affect a gods power. Mictlantecuhtli was diminished not at all when John met him.
 
Even if all this is true for Earth-16, Paul usually goes over his options at least mentally, going through his opponent's powers and seeing how he can or cannot overcome them.

Here he makes no effort to see how she could be fixed or rehabilitated, or pretty much any comment of her at all. Considering how this is his first opponent that is in custody after spending any amount of time wiping the floor with him, the fact that he completely bypasses his usual habits and goes straight to 'eternal stay in hell', it leads to unfortunate implications on just how much he believes his own argument.
Did he actually make this decision? They came to him saying they had decided what do do with her.

At least in the larger DC universe the Titans are descendants of Ouranus and Gaia, while the Olympians descended solely from Gaia.

I believe that was the reason why the Olympians needed worship to maintain their power while the Titans didn't.
Zoat has specifically said the gods have power independent of worship. What worship does is act as a conduit allowing them to use that power more effectively on Earth.
 
She enthralled the audience, she overcame Paul's Spell Eater (aka the best one extant), she warps reality and OL just got done telling the president that the only place that she was reliably containable was TARTARUS.

The chains stop magic, you have to have magic working on her to break the curse; you can't break it without removing the chains which gives her back her reality altering powers. It's simple causality.

Take chain off; she can affect the world again with her reality warping powers and her only weakness is the Lasso of Truth. Why don't you actually go READ her character page. Pay special attention to her Powers and Weaknesses section. Tsaritsa (New Earth)

You have to take the chains off to break the curse. Which is very STUPID. (Unless you're in a place where here powers don't work; like ... Tartarus.)
Yeah, at this point you need to produce references or just stop talking.

During the Starro situation, Constantine had developed a ritual that would have depowered both Klarion AND Nabu in a 'Accidentally on purpose' way. The Manacles were in use at the time. So no, this is just you using bad logic.
 
Probably why Abraham's god is both very strong, and doesn't need to play well with others, being the most popular choice by far. Categorically denying the existence of other deities, his followers are unlikely to ever contribute worship and tribute to 'rival' gods.

I've always held the headcanon that the reason YHWH is so strong is because he doesn't play with others. Think about it; he's one guy with the combined might of an entire pantheon. This not only makes him individually stronger than individual polytheist gods, but it also means that YHWH's pantheon (that is, himself) isn't wasting energy fighting itself (Zeus-v-Poseidon, Ares-v-Athena, Hera-v-Zeus'sMistresses) leaving more power to be wielded against others.

I feel that this interpretation smooths up some theological plot-holes quite nicely.
 
I've always held the headcanon that the reason YHWH is so strong is because he doesn't play with others. Think about it; he's one guy with the combined might of an entire pantheon. This not only makes him individually stronger than individual polytheist gods, but it also means that YHWH's pantheon (that is, himself) isn't wasting energy fighting itself (Zeus-v-Poseidon, Ares-v-Athena, Hera-v-Zeus'sMistresses) leaving more power to be wielded against others.

I feel that this interpretation smooths up some theological plot-holes quite nicely.
Except for things like archangels and a lot of demons who wield deities powers in their own right. The fact the BotF can kill entities vastly more powerful then what it was made of, especially when said entities aren't even from the same realm is narratively abhorrent, so is the fact that universal entities are somehow on the same power level as planetary ones.
 
I believe that was the reason why the Olympians needed worship to maintain their power while the Titans didn't.

You can believe that all you want, but that doesn't mean it's true. Other people have presented facts, quotes and other evidence that proves that, in this case, your belief is wrong. Is the idea of "more worshippers=more divine power" a common one? Yes, I've used it myself in my own writing, but here, in this story, written by Mr. Zoat and none of us, it does not apply.
 
You can believe that all you want, but that doesn't mean it's true. Other people have presented facts, quotes and other evidence that proves that, in this case, your belief is wrong.
Yeah, at this point you need to produce references or just stop talking.
Can we please just be civil here? I'd really hate to see three instances of mod action in a 24 hour period.

We're all talking about a story on a web forum. There is no reason to get this upset at each other.
 
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Can we please just be civil here? I'd really hate to see three instances of mod action in a 24 hour period.

We're all talking about a story on a web forum. There is no reason to get this upset at each other.
In fact there's a mod viewing the thread as I'm writting this post.

It doesn't matter what people argue about, as long as a disagreement occurs some people will find cause to insult one another and/or be rude.
 
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