It turning out that Paul has actually been Grayven all along would be the funniest thing. Be a bit weird to do with an SI though, but I've seen weirder interactions with that kind of concept. That said, reducing Kalibak would only be hard in that there isn't much there to begin with.
With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Twelve)
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It occurs to be another thematically appropriate book he could have been reading is the Crime Bible from DC...I can just picture him leafing through it, adding corrections and commentary as he goes.
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so, is anyone else concerned that darksied has black speech markers?
Hestia&theCourt
Turns out we're plural too.
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Not really. We already knew that black quotation marks and Anti-Life were connected from Stars, Crossed. It only makes sense that Darkseid, being the closest a being can get to mastering the Anti-Life Equation, would have Black Enlightenment.
...Endarkenment?
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honestly I'm not even sure what that would do. Necron never really had a nailed down mentality or philosophy other than "rarr! life bad me smash!" I imagine zoat has a far more chilling mindset pegged to black enlightenment.
Stratagemini
Totally a Fire Ferret.
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Whatever happened to Kobra? The declared Para!Paul their new avatar and then just vanished?
Nihilism, but not the actual happy Nihilism of reality. Basically nothing anywhere matters, life is an aberration.
Nihilism, but not the actual happy Nihilism of reality. Basically nothing anywhere matters, life is an aberration.
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I thought there was a technical treaty going on. Do they not honor parley over there?
Bring his daughter and the Frees. Possibly the ones from Earth 50 if the ones here going to New Genesis would break that treaty. Use the High Fathers son to make him feel guilty and gain an audience. And hold up the kid so they see he is a harmless family man just looking for a motherbox for his kid. (And one for himself to make sure it is kid safe after all.)
Wouldn't Sphere at least stick up for him to say he's not all bad and at least hear him out?
(Remember, the New Genesis sentient scooter thing that bonded with him and then forever vanished to off screen land?)
They appear to be having some kind of internal doctrinal conflict.
Silverias
Seeing is Believing
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Father is, in every one of these quotes, being used as a proper noun and should be capitalized.
Hestia&theCourt
Turns out we're plural too.
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"Aw, that's cute. Ineffectual, but cute. Let me show how to TRULY break a mind."
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Well, yeah, I read it as him basically panicking.
Right- he knew about it even in canon, with Savage as his local agent and Glorious Godfrey running around. But was he as actively involved as he is here? The question I have is "When it comes to Apokolips, is Renegade's Earth better or worse off as of right now?"
Right, which is why the situation reads as "oh god he's screwed" rather than Bad End: Hail Darkseid.
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The colored quotes don't mean enlightenment. It means that the individual's connection to that part of the emotional spectrum is strong enough to leak out into their speech. Darkseid is the defining example of someone whose connection to the black light of unlife can be carried through his words.
hance1986
The One Above All.
No one's commented on this.
Being in Darkseid's vicinity melted their brains.
But that's not the thing. It was revealed during one of Grayven's conversations with Lex that the Genomorphs are reconstituted versions of remains of Doomsday Lex found off a meteor. Did Darkseld recognize that? Was YJ Doomsday a scourge upon the universe like the comic version was before crashing on Earth? In the comics, Darkseid does have experiences with Doomsday.
Being in Darkseid's vicinity melted their brains.
But that's not the thing. It was revealed during one of Grayven's conversations with Lex that the Genomorphs are reconstituted versions of remains of Doomsday Lex found off a meteor. Did Darkseld recognize that? Was YJ Doomsday a scourge upon the universe like the comic version was before crashing on Earth? In the comics, Darkseid does have experiences with Doomsday.
They are the reconstituted remains of whatever being Doomsday originated from. They are no more Doomsday than reconstituted hominid DNA is a modern human.
hance1986
The One Above All.
But Doomsday originated from the scientist Bertron doing a bullshit evolution experiment on the most dangerous planet in the universe, prehistoric Krypton. Doomsday originated from the remains of the being killed over and over to force evolve over whatever killed it.
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Okay I'm going to have to dig into SV's functions.
I did not know you could do that.
There's a tiny bit of justification in the 'New villain stomps Hero in their first battle' trope, in that the Villain can research the Heroes they expect to fight, but the Hero doesn't know what to expect from the Villain at first. It also explains why the Villain is never as much of a threat afterwards, the Hero has gotten a handle on how to handle them.
I'm not sure if I'd call Deathstroke a 'baseline' human, but he's not really Empowered, no.
The Imperial March from Star Wars would probably appeal to him.
Correct. Here's the recent cover from Disturbed
The Kids aren't Alright by the Offspring.
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The Forever People mistake him for Grayven and proceed to attack him (ineffectually), and over the next 2 Renegade supplements, he subdues them (mostly through intimidation, Batman style), and then the FP, (accompanied by Sphere, Renegade, Robin and Mr Tawny) head off to Metropolis, tangle with Intergang and Dessad (who also mistakes Renegade for Grayven, likely due to his appearance and Renegade's lack of soul making him immune to Dessad's pain aura; the only other person to ignore it is Darkseid) The whole time Renegade is answering to Grayven partly to play along with the FP's error, and partly he likes having a 'name' other than 'OL/Orange Lantern'.Reordered said:
By the time of his 'testing' (Aka Devilance and Brimstone) He'd realized it was a bad idea, but as he indirectly told Batman, 'admitting he was lying means Darkseid might feel the need to take action to avenge the insult/loss of face'.
Grayven: Why didn't you tell me you were sending all that data back to Apokalypse?
Fatherbox: You never asked.
Shows that she's a smart girl.
And wasn't Darkseid in the DCAU consumed by Braniac's Nanites (until inadvertently released by Lex and Co)
It's probably the Apokalyptian equivalent of The Cat in the Hat.
As someone else mentioned they seem to be having a schism of sorts, breaking into what sounded like 3 major groups, one being lead by that 'God of Speed' guy who was mentioned/linked back when the Team was dealing with the possessed Max Mercury in Russia.
Ganurath
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I take it Atlas Shrugged had the same exposure problem?
Legend of Ruina
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Thanks for the recommendation. Only a few chapters in on the thread but enjoying the sheer insanity and people's reactions to it immensely.
But Doomsday originated from the scientist Bertron doing a bullshit evolution experiment on the most dangerous planet in the universe, prehistoric Krypton. Doomsday originated from the remains of the being killed over and over to force evolve over whatever killed it.
Here, straight from the Zoatrse's mouth.
So, again. Not Doomsday, but derivatives of what Doomsday came from.
Nope, he was just plain dead.
Lex was trying to resurrect Brianiac but got Darkseid instead.
okay, but I assume Brainiac had something to do with his death, otherwise why would his essence be around where Brainiac died?
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Most of us (and Renegade) feel that Darkseid knows he's not the real Grayven. But since it was mentioned in Stars, Crossed that the Justice Lords Superman had absorbed the mantle of Tyranny after killing that version of Darkseid, it seems plausible that Renegade (with a New God soul, taking the name, and doing a fair job of living up to the job description), may actually be stealing the mantle of 'God of Conquest' from the original Grayven. Darkseid may feel that if Renegade can successfully take (conquor?) the mantle and become the primary Grayven (or possibly only Grayven), then that would make him worthy of being Darkseid's son.
Emstar
The Shining One
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It was the Darkseid v Brainiac episode (but really it turned out they were both in on it so Brainiac would capture Supes and leav Apok alone).
Darkseid died when Brainiac's ship went kablooey, as Supes refused to escape with the others and fistfought him until Batman had to forcibly tackle him into a boomtube and drag him out of the fight.
For all we know the Renegrayven slowly becoming actual Grayven thing is correct from a metaphysical standpoint. I'm not sure if Darkseid is the type to go "Well, he's the New God of Conquest, erego he's my son Grayven." or if he prefers the other way around, but I'm leaning towards the former.
I figure Darkseid outlook is 'The one that wins/survives is the one who is worthy of being my son', cause I can see Apokalypse being fine with Klingon Promotions.
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