With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Twelve)
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Again, based on my knowledge of him, it would have been a mercy.
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Oh, and here's me thinking I'm being all original.
Question: Aside from Ixy and Jean, how many of the Genomorphs are cosmetically female or identify as female?
Link: Lady Doomsday
Grayven: "I see you've... evolved... since joining the Genomorph hivemind."
Lady Doomsday: "The female of a species is more deadly than the male, so this was an inevitable adaptation."
Grayven: "Many would consider your current form to be superior to Superman."
Lady Doomsday: (oblivious to innuendo) "Thanks."
Link: More Deadly Than the Male - TV Tropes
Link: Lady Doomsday
Grayven: "I see you've... evolved... since joining the Genomorph hivemind."
Lady Doomsday: "The female of a species is more deadly than the male, so this was an inevitable adaptation."
Grayven: "Many would consider your current form to be superior to Superman."
Lady Doomsday: (oblivious to innuendo) "Thanks."
Link: More Deadly Than the Male - TV Tropes
hance1986
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Correct. There was a comic from the 90s called Superman: Hunter/Prey involving long haired post Return of Superman Superman and Hank Henshaw and Doomsday wrecking Apokolips.
Doomsday was made on Krypton eons before Krypton had Kryptonians. In ages past Krypton was a deathworld inhabited by creatures just as bad as Burning Martians.
There was a scientist named Bertron obsessed with making the ultimate lifeform. So he and his staff created an infant lifeform and sent it out of their dome into the environment. If the like acid atmosphere or something didn't kill the baby, the creatures tore it apart.
Then Bertron would have any genetic remains retrieved and grow a new Ultimate, as he called it.
Over the years the Ultimate adapted, first to the planet itself, and later to fight the creatures. It still died and was regrown. Finally the Ultimate evolved into Doomsday and the last time they sent it out it crossed the entire planet, surviving and killed all of the native violent lifeforms. Doomsday didn't need to eat or sleep and ultimately didn't need Bertron or his fuckwit scientists either. It broke their dome and killed everyone, remembering on a genetic level how Bertron treated him and growing to hate all life.
Bertron squished real gud and eventually Doomsday hitchhiked off world hanging on the outside of a ship, Doomsday evolving to be able to Rickroll space itself.
He then became the nightmare of the cosmos, attacking planets everywhere until one planet managed to overwhelm him and chained him up and put him in that green bodysuit Doomsday wore at the beginning of the Death of Superman trade paperback when he was smashing away at that metal wall. Doomsday's body couldn't be destroyed so they sealed it up and shot it into space for someone else to deal with and it crashed on Earth and was dormant until Doomsday reactivated in the 90s.
That's it for now. I might edit this later with pictures but I'm on my phone now. Later.
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heres what his wika entry says says
Doomsday was born in prehistoric times on Krypton, long before the humanoid Kryptonian race gained dominance over the planet about 250,000 years ago. It was a violent, hellish world where only the absolute strongest of creatures could survive.[4][5] In a cruel experiment involving evolution, intended to create the perfect living being, the alien scientist Bertron released a humanoid infant (born in vitro in a lab) onto the surface of the planet, where he was promptly killed by the harsh environment. The baby's remains were collected and used to clone a stronger version. This process was repeated over and over for decades as a form of accelerated natural evolution. The agony of these repeated deaths was recorded in his genes, driving the creature to hate all life.
As it evolved, the child eventually became able to survive the high temperatures and searing atmosphere, only to be quickly slain by the vicious predators that inhabited the planet. Over time, and without the assistance of Bertron's technology, he gained the ability to thrive on solar energy without the need for food or air, to return to life and adapt in order to overcome whatever had previously killed him. The Ultimate hunted and exterminated the dangerous predators of Krypton. He then killed Bertron himself, whom he had come to identify as an enemy.[4]
The Ultimate escaped Krypton via a ship that regularly arrived to deliver supplies to Bertron (who had wanted little contact with the planet's natives) and went on a killing spree across several planets. It began 245,000 years earlier on Bylan 5, where Darkseid was about to wed a princess (in order to obtain that planet's chemical deposits for Apokolips's weapons factories). The Ultimate murdered Darkseid's ally Master Mayhem almost instantly but just as the Ultimate and Darkseid were about to meet in combat, Darkseid was forced to flee, as the rampage of the Ultimate had caused the planet's atmosphere to become toxic, thereby rendering the chemicals worthless to Apokolips. The Ultimate hitched a ride on an escaping shuttle, which crashed on Khundia. The warring Khundian clans united in order to build protective armor for a warrior named Kobald, who they hoped would survive long enough to force the Ultimate onto a rocket. Once the rocket was in space, the Ultimate killed Kobald and the resulting explosion sent him hurling through space.
He next crossed paths with a Green Lantern named Zharan Pel who was beaten to death. The Ultimate took the Lantern's power ring and, sensing the power of the Guardians of the Universe, headed towards them. The Thousands of Green Lanterns that were sent to stop him were slaughtered. He continued to Oa, where a single Guardian fought him, wary of the others joining the fight, fearing the Ultimate would absorb their powers as he believed was happening to his powers, so as a last resort sacrificed himself in battle to defeat him. The release of energies by the Guardian caused a tear in space through which the Ultimate fell.
Eventually arriving on the planet Calaton, he ravaged that world for three years.[4] With only the capital city left, the royal family combined their life forces into a single energy being, the Radiant.[4][6] The Radiant killed the Ultimate with a huge blast of energy (laying waste to over a fifth of his planet in the process). In common Calatonian burial procedures, the Ultimate's seemingly dead body was suited and shackled to prevent his spirit from escaping into the afterlife, and he was shot into space because the murders he committed made him unworthy of burial on Calaton. Eventually, his metallic casket crashed on Earth, the force of the impact driving it deep underground.
Also why ll I don't think its mentioned in this articul I did read from somewhere that its believed that Doomsday killing so many prediters on Krypton is what allowed Kryptonians to evolve
edit how did you get your post done so fast on a cellphone when mins all copy and past?
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I think it still counts as an original idea even if you're unaware that someone else already did it.
And sorting through fanfiction to see if an idea is original or not is a fate I wouldn't wish on my worse enemy (*cough*AMBUSH BUG!*cough*).
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Eh, all fiction's derivative at some level anyway. Original thought is an illusion, etc.
What really matters is putting the pieces together in fun ways.
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Wait, everybody was right? The heck?! I didn't get Doomsday vibes at all.
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Strictly, they're partial recreations of the species Doomsday 16 was created from with the G-Prometheans being closest to the original humanoid version. His creator also invented the biotech which allows biological material from different species to function together.
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So, is that Bertron's species then? He was sorta grey... though I will admit he lacked super bone powers... as far as I'm aware anyway...
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No, he came from elsewhere.
Awww, i was pretty sure it is a part of a white shapeshifter that killed every Martian except Martian Manhunter in JLA universe.
You apparently weren't paying attention to what I said either.
I was asking if, if you object to the author adding/creating characters not part of the original canon in some form (the greater DC library in this case), then do you therefore avoid reading anything listed as being a crossover or SI? Because those categories inherently involve adding something from completely outside canon purely because the author wants to.
While this applies more to Renegade side of WTR more than the Paragon side, my question was not limited to just this story.
"Doomsday, eat a Snickers. Cause you get a little omnicidal when you're hungry."
Grayven also indicated that the Starros are scary/dangerous from the perspective of both himself and the entire Green Lantern Corps. The fact that humanity isn't ready to handle them isn't really a mark against them. The Starros are a threat to the vast majority of species in the galaxy.
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To be fair it feels kind of obvious in hindsight, they share the same design aesthetics and everything.
Might have even been the way the Greg would have eventually gone.
That said it was the first time I had heard that particular plot twist so thumbs up.
And now I want Grayven to get nervous around Jean (or IXY) because he subconsciously sees her as a female version of Doomsday who could go berserk at any moment.
Jean: "Sir, I brought your lunch."
Grayven: "I'm not hungry."
Jean: "Very well, I'll just leave it on your desk."
Grayven:
"NO! STAY AWAY!"
Jean: ???
If the Genomorphs really are derived from Doomsday, you could handwave their hive mind and talent at creating artificial lifeforms as a variant of Doomsday "evolutionary imperative" that favors group survival over individual survival, whereby each successive sub-species of Genomorph is better suited for a particular task than the previous generation. Furthermore, from a scientific perspective, the Genomorph's methodology is superior to Doomsday as they made a thriving mini-civilization (mini-ecosystem?) in only one or two decades while Doomsday took several millennia to reach his current level of development.
Anyway, Grayven would be justifiably concerned about what might happen if Doomsday ever became linked to the Genomorph hive mind, as they could be overwhelmed by Doomsday's instinctive hatred of all life.
SUGGESTION:
When Grayven was at Metropolis' Center for Parahuman Studies, he brought up the differences between psyker-telepaths (like Lynne and Miss Martian) and mage-telepaths (like Zatanna and Raven).
To better protect the Genomorph hive mind from external corruption, Grayven could suggest they create a new subspecies of mage-telepaths (G-wizards?). By incorporating two different types of telepathy into the hive mind, they'd have layers of redundancy where one of them can continue functioning even if the other is disabled or compromised.
As an added bonus, it'd give Jean (or IXY) an excuse to spend more time with sorcerers like Zatanna, Sunset Shimmer, maybe Mordru if he isn't too crazy, etc.
Jean: "Sir, I brought your lunch."
Grayven: "I'm not hungry."
Jean: "Very well, I'll just leave it on your desk."
Grayven:
"NO! STAY AWAY!"Jean:
???If the Genomorphs really are derived from Doomsday, you could handwave their hive mind and talent at creating artificial lifeforms as a variant of Doomsday "evolutionary imperative" that favors group survival over individual survival, whereby each successive sub-species of Genomorph is better suited for a particular task than the previous generation. Furthermore, from a scientific perspective, the Genomorph's methodology is superior to Doomsday as they made a thriving mini-civilization (mini-ecosystem?) in only one or two decades while Doomsday took several millennia to reach his current level of development.
Anyway, Grayven would be justifiably concerned about what might happen if Doomsday ever became linked to the Genomorph hive mind, as they could be overwhelmed by Doomsday's instinctive hatred of all life.
SUGGESTION:
When Grayven was at Metropolis' Center for Parahuman Studies, he brought up the differences between psyker-telepaths (like Lynne and Miss Martian) and mage-telepaths (like Zatanna and Raven).
To better protect the Genomorph hive mind from external corruption, Grayven could suggest they create a new subspecies of mage-telepaths (G-wizards?). By incorporating two different types of telepathy into the hive mind, they'd have layers of redundancy where one of them can continue functioning even if the other is disabled or compromised.
As an added bonus, it'd give Jean (or IXY) an excuse to spend more time with sorcerers like Zatanna, Sunset Shimmer, maybe Mordru if he isn't too crazy, etc.
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"two-fifths" -- but a side question: So does this mean Grayven weighs 57 stone, 63 stone, or 64 stone? I mean, I suppose "about" means that it could be anywhere around there, but I'm a mathematician!
Clearly, hypothetical-Grayven observed the planet's society and identified the dominant language of the most advanced civilizations on the planet, then identified the speech patterns that carried the highest perceived social standing. For Earth, the dominant languages would be English and Chinese, and while more lowlies speak Chinese, more superpowered people speak English. And among English speakers, a Received British accent is considered a mark of prestige and superiority. Therefore, he would instruct his ring's translator to focus on that particular dialect in order to have the greatest impact.
EDIT: I would imagine that his ring's translator would probably be speaking an absolutely flawless formal Chinese dialect to match, when he's in contact with them.
But "corp" ISN'T pronounced "core"! It's pronounced "corp." It's "corps" that's pronounced "core." But of course, if you make it plural, then it's pronounced "corz" even though it's spelled the same! Unless you're making "corp" plural, and then it's still spelled "corps" but it's pronounced "corps!"
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Yes, I paid attention to what you said. And I paid attention to the point you're trying to make, too. "The author can do what the author wants." I get it. But just because the author can do it, and just because the author did do it, doesn't make it a good idea. Of course, for the Renegade side, it doesn't have to be a good idea. Renegade is about Zoat's stress relief after a bad day at work where he didn't feel like writing himself as a diplomatic sensible person. Renegade is about Zoat being a literal God made of muscle who doesn't have to respect authority, can bang his hot ninja girlfriend with his giant penis and hang out with his cool pony friend on the weekends. It is masturbatory fantasy.
Which would be fine in a self-contained story. No one has to read it but the people who want to. But here, where the story isn't self-contained (as proven by today's update where we get key exposition that I assume won't be revealed in the main story because "it's already been done"), people have to read it to enjoy the story they want to read. And as I keep pointing out and you keep ignoring, that is my problem with it.
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Actually, no, that's not what I was trying to say.
Based on how a few people were complaining about the continued inclusion of non-DC characters (Sunset and Death Note girl), I was simply asking if those that felt like that actively avoid stories marked as Crossovers? Seeing as how a crossover inherently involves mixing elements of a separate canon into the primary one. If you feel a DC fanfic should only use DC characters do you simply not read anything that adds non-DC elements to a DC universe? Or is it just ponies that pisses you off?
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Yeah, fuck that. Petition to move this entire story and all comments to like, German or C++ or something?
That's actually decently reasonable.
From what I've seen Doomsday lacks the ability to fly. Given that people in this universe are able to think creatively, and that being trapped wouldn't trigger Doomsday's adaption process thing, he wouldn't actually be that big a deal.
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+1 for C++ here! I'd read it!
Of course, this fic does have a bit of a tendency to play with templates a bit...
Thanks.
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If a story is marked as a crossover and it seems like an interesting concept, I'll read it. If a story is marked as "a [story] SI", and it seems like an interesting concept, I'll read it. If a story has no crossover elements, creates a cohesive setting with a varied cast of characters with yet more characters untapped that could be brought in, and then brings in crossover characters instead for no other verifiable reason than "felt like it", I will want to stop reading. Because that's not telling a story. That's throwing ideas at the fucking wall and hoping (or not caring if) they stick.
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Do they just take everything weird they find and attempt to clone, use, and weaponise it until it kills all the scientists and takes over the base?
I know, I know. Rhetorical question.
I know, I know. Rhetorical question.
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To be fair, in this case, that's not what happened. In this case, it was playing with a silly idea and then running with it when it unexpectedly stuck to the wall.
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