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Who Needs Harmony?: An MLP Empire Quest

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spawnofmetroid said:
I have no doubts about that, but he may move to lessen our ability to gain information or influence the public. I very much doubt he would be all fire and brimstone about it, but we now have a true dance partner in the politics of the yaks.

Edit: My point is that they would almost certainly wish to be the sole guiders of their culture, just as we will wish to maintain some control over them as the only true bordering state to our heartlands that is not under our direct control. I don't fear war, but we would be lessened by the yaks turning from our influence do to a surprise leader that doesn't wish for health relations. We should try our best to maintain the gentle claw we've had on them from the start.
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Yeah, from a "realpolitik" perspective, the unification of the Yaks under these terms is a net negative for us. They aren't likely to be unfriendly due to our past actions, but it does mean they will both be less servile than they could have been and that we haven't had the time or ability to properly influence the manner in which they unify (potentially as a protectorate before).
 
PyrrosWarrior said:
Yeah, from a "realpolitik" perspective, the unification of the Yaks under these terms is a net negative for us. They aren't likely to be unfriendly due to our past actions, but it does mean they will both be less servile than they could have been and that we haven't had the time or ability to properly influence the manner in which they unify (potentially as a protectorate before).
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As we never took actions aimed to choose or support a specific candidate for their leader this was really inevitable.

At this point we can only hope they take our lack of interference as us being honourable, trustworthy and respectful of their autonomy (which we actually are, as long as they don't become openly hostile).

At this point it's probably too late for the yak protectorate to become reality, but we still have a lot of soft power over them, so I'm not worried.

If they want advanced tech, they have to come to us.

If they want to trade with Neighpon, they'll likely come through us.

They'll want to be autonomous, but to be honest we never really forced them to do anything, so it doesn't change anything for us.

By the way with yak kingdom being a thing we're now actually close to make a continental alliance against maretinia. We have Neighpon and Canterbury, I'm pretty sure we can work out a deal with the Yaks, all that remains is the land to their west.
 
PyrrosWarrior said:
Yeah, from a "realpolitik" perspective, the unification of the Yaks under these terms is a net negative for us. They aren't likely to be unfriendly due to our past actions, but it does mean they will both be less servile than they could have been and that we haven't had the time or ability to properly influence the manner in which they unify (potentially as a protectorate before).
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To be honest I never saw much hope or reason to make the yaks a protectorate in anything approaching a reasonable time scale. The only way we could have taken them fully into the fold would have been conquest, and that just isn't a real option in the world we have shaped. I see this a potential positive.
They will be the ones to do the work of improving their land. They will be the ones to raising their people's standards of living. But with every step they take it will (hopefully) be with their good old friend Griffonia at their side. It may take centuries, but they will be forever tied to us if we have anything to say about it.
 
Pittauro said:
As we never took actions aimed to choose or support a specific candidate for their leader this was really inevitable.

At this point we can only hope they take our lack of interference as us being honourable, trustworthy and respectful of their autonomy (which we actually are, as long as they don't become openly hostile).

At this point it's probably too late for the yak protectorate to become reality, but we still have a lot of soft power over them, so I'm not worried.

If they want advanced tech, they have to come to us.

If they want to trade with Neighpon, they'll likely come through us.

They'll want to be autonomous, but to be honest we never really forced them to do anything, so it doesn't change anything for us.

By the way with yak kingdom being a thing we're now actually close to make a continental alliance against maretinia. We have Neighpon and Canterbury, I'm pretty sure we can work out a deal with the Yaks, all that remains is the land to their west.
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With railroads, we would definitely be a very fast and safe option for trade. Not to mention we have the tech to refine their stash of anti-magic metal as is. So, as of right now, we do have a lot of options for at least getting our economic hooks into em. And if that blimp option ever gets off the ground (ha) wed definitely have an advantage in trade there too.

Truthfully, the yaks getting together on their own is a good thing, as far as I can see. We have pretty much done nothing but help them in kind, so really we should have some good will stashed up. This at least gives us one entity to deal with instead of a fractured one, and we probably wont have to worry about yaks too much on the diplomacy side anymore.

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(I might even be able to add actual Fjords to Olenia's coast!)
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Hooray! We can finally pine for them!
 
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So.... Why is everyone freaking out about the caribou?

I mean, vikings were crazy advanced for their time but they never really had an answer to canons, much less our floating mines and our air superiority.


Also new diamond dogs.... I am vaguely curious to see how that group and our group get along.


I kind of picture our group coming accross as more militarized and industrious but also more crude (think dock worker or general worker vs store owner or general upper middle class).

Keep in mind that i didnt mention less intelligent. They will probably be slack jawed over our groups mechanical expertise and similar knowledge but I doubt our Dogs are going to be as "Sophisticated".
 
lockingbane said:
So.... Why is everyone freaking out about the caribou?

I mean, vikings were crazy advanced for their time but they never really had an answer to canons, much less our floating mines and our air superiority.
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A sub-genre of MLP fanfiction called 'The Fall of Equestria' and its derivative works heavily feature the Caribou.

Just...don't look it up. It's not worth it and is the reason why so many of us are wary of the Caribou being present in this quest.
 
Speed53066 said:
Still, the dream is not dead yet, passive culture and economic conquest may make it a reality.
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Eh, unless unpredictable events happen to go our way and gives us a lot more influence (both political and cultural) over them it's unlikely to happen. Now the crystal protectorate on the other hand.... that is a much more viable option to integrate into the empire, especially with our ability to send the hypogryphs off to crystal city to learn how to use their image magic, furthering our ties to them.
 
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spawnofmetroid said:
To be honest I never saw much hope or reason to make the yaks a protectorate in anything approaching a reasonable time scale. The only way we could have taken them fully into the fold would have been conquest, and that just isn't a real option in the world we have shaped. I see this a potential positive.
They will be the ones to do the work of improving their land. They will be the ones to raising their people's standards of living. But with every step they take it will (hopefully) be with their good old friend Griffonia at their side. It may take centuries, but they will be forever tied to us if we have anything to say about it.
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Nah, there was definitely a chance. We probably wouldn't have been able to establish an autonomy/protectorate over the whole of the area, but there was a large enough political movement for more closely integrating with Griffonia that we could have definitely established some measure of a protectorate had we stoked that fire before the unification this turn.
 
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A United Yakyakistan: A new player has emerged in the great game of geo-politics. In a sudden shift in the political landscape of Yakyakistan, the elder councils of all the major clans have come together to form a unified kingdom of Yaks, merging their peoples and territories into a singular polity. While many Yaks have been working towards such a unification for years, much of the credit for the union of the clans goes to the newly crowned King Rutherford, who brought the disparate groups together via a mixture of charismatic negotiation and honor duels against those who resisted. Calling for unity in the face of a changing world, the new Lord of the Steppe now seeks to consolidate his power and secure his new kingdom's place in the world.
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Think we can tell him about the Orichalcum deposit that the Broken Horns were keeping secret? Or what are the chances he found out and it doesn't really matter now? Just predicting whether or not that option is still available since the "find a young yak leader for a coup" probably won't work now.
 
lockingbane said:
So.... Why is everyone freaking out about the caribou?

I mean, vikings were crazy advanced for their time but they never really had an answer to canons, much less our floating mines and our air superiority.


Also new diamond dogs.... I am vaguely curious to see how that group and our group get along.


I kind of picture our group coming accross as more militarized and industrious but also more crude (think dock worker or general worker vs store owner or general upper middle class).

Keep in mind that i didnt mention less intelligent. They will probably be slack jawed over our groups mechanical expertise and similar knowledge but I doubt our Dogs are going to be as "Sophisticated".
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Sophisticated? No.

Crude? Yes.

True to their real roots? Oh boy.

Some of the kin may wonder if these Kin forgot When the Sky Fell.

Or, they might just be confused as to why Kin are living on a Island in the middle of the sea, and go back to sleep. This one knows not.
 
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Is the small yappy dog Rex? Because that's super fitting given their.. personalities.

Also adorable interspecies relations. ^^

Hopefully they're not an infertile type though if they are, our pro-adoption history probably will help a bit when they want families of their own. And we definitely should encourage their magic being used for the good of the empire and themselves as we can.

It's funny to imagine how many of those hybrids were very very surprising though, heh.
 
Asmodemus said:
Is the small yappy dog Rex? Because that's super fitting given their.. personalities.

Also adorable interspecies relations. ^^

Hopefully they're not an infertile type though if they are, our pro-adoption history probably will help a bit when they want families of their own. And we definitely should encourage their magic being used for the good of the empire and themselves as we can.

It's funny to imagine how many of those hybrids were very very surprising though, heh.
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Am worried about the lack of DD hybrids. They might not be compatible with either species. Is very troubling.

Also, very fitting for the Emerald Dogs to be tiny lol.
 
Asmodemus said:
As noted most species aren't, either griffons and ponies had a mysterious common ancestor a few species back or the Crystal Heart is messing about for greater unity somehow.
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or option 3, ponies have replaced humanity's role in most fictional stories for having the most universally-compatible DNA in the entire universe :p
 
banjo2E said:
Oh, god, Viking raider caribou. I mean, it makes sense from a geographic standpoint, but, well...there are things out there pertaining to raider caribou that are best left out of polite conversation.

Still, the rest of it is good news.
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Dont be to pc now honesty is important and as a human being and nordic person we need to be historically acurate RL we cant change history but here we can do something,
a important thing dont act like no one else did the exact same thing or some variation but i understand if we dont talk about this stuff with how this site is
 
the swarm said:
Dont be to pc now honesty is important and as a human being and nordic person we need to be historically acurate RL we cant change history but here we can do something,
a important thing dont act like no one else did the exact same thing or some variation but i understand if we dont talk about this stuff with how this site is
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There's being PC, then there's the level of cartoonishly over-the-top evil that occurs in the setting that should not be named (but unfortunately has elsewhere in the thread) and doesn't even have the courtesy to make sense in or out of setting.
also you're asking people to not be overly pc on SV of all places
 
banjo2E said:
There's being PC, then there's the level of cartoonishly over-the-top evil that occurs in the setting that should not be named (but unfortunately has elsewhere in the thread) and doesn't even have the courtesy to make sense in or out of setting.
also you're asking people to not be overly pc on SV of all places
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I know its too much to ask
 
yay crossbreeding is a thing now

also vikings interesting?
oh a DD king wonder what we can do with that
also a yak king wonder how much real power he has V being figure head title or something?

nice to see not-japan doing something big like that on there own.

i see a lot of trade things and diplomatic things coming up
i think we might want to think about giving some groups more power so they can do more jobs?

still pretty sure the queen down south really unhappy right now but unsure if what we are doing is helping her or not. (its not the country but still)
also if cutting down the woods was going too grow the number of towns and stuff we might have i say we do that pronto?
 
Questor said:
A United Yakyakistan: A new player has emerged in the great game of geo-politics. In a sudden shift in the political landscape of Yakyakistan, the elder councils of all the major clans have come together to form a unified kingdom of Yaks, merging their peoples and territories into a singular polity. While many Yaks have been working towards such a unification for years, much of the credit for the union of the clans goes to the newly crowned King Rutherford, who brought the disparate groups together via a mixture of charismatic negotiation and honor duels against those who resisted. Calling for unity in the face of a changing world, the new Lord of the Steppe now seeks to consolidate his power and secure his new kingdom's place in the world.
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Yay! They successfully unified without us having to mess with them!
We should definitely pay a visit to King Rutherford. First so that we can be good neighbors, and second because now we might be able to negotiate a deal to start mining that orichalcum they have.

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The first newly met nation, and the closest to Neighpon, is the Kingdom of the Emerald Isles, a nation that is of great interest to you and your subjects due to the fact that it is inhabited almost entirely by Diamond Dogs. A King known simply as Rex, the Alpha of Alphas, rules over numerous packs, each pledging fealty to him and his dynasty. Though suspicious of outsiders, Rex and his court are cautiously open to the possibility of trade, a possibility that excites the merchants and nobles of your Empire as, by all accounts the Emerald Isles are as rich in gemstones and precious metals as the name would suggest.
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New potential trading partner! Let's send some diamond dog envoys!

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Hybrid Hippogriffs: Mixed-race marriages are not a new phenomenon in the Empire. With Diamond Dogs, Crystal Ponies, and even the rare Yak or Qilin calling Gryphus home, it is not surprising that relationships would form between peoples of different races. Under most circumstances, the very nature of these relationships necessitates adoption rather than traditional means of procreation, for reasons that should be obvious. Most, but apparently not all.

Excitement, astonishment and confusion sweeps through the Empire in equal measure as news of a curious and unexpected new phenomenon reaches the public: hybrid children of Griffons and Ponies, the newborns bearing the traits of both races. These "Hippogriffs" (the popular name for the new race) have baffled the medical community, their hybrid nature seeming to go against all conventional wisdom. Even more amazing is the fact that many of the young hybrids have been reported to possess a measure of magical talent, something no full-blooded Griffon possesses. Regardless, the newborns are healthy and their parents are overjoyed with their unexpected blessings. The rest of the Empire anticipates further surprises from this whole new class as they grow to adulthood.
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Woooo! Hybrid vigor, maybe?
If we take Sugar Beets and start figuring out how heredity works, we may be able to make some educated guesses about whether hippogriffs will be able to reproduce. If we're quick about it, we could find out the answer long before any hippogriffs grow up old enough to find out the obvious way.
On the one hand, mules are sterile, so if hippogriffs are like mules they probably won't be able to reproduce. On the other hand, plants can form tons of different hybrids that can still reproduce, even offspring that have multiple times the number of chromosomes. So it's not entirely impossible that the hippogriffs would be able to reproduce.

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lockingbane said:
So.... Why is everyone freaking out about the caribou?

I mean, vikings were crazy advanced for their time but they never really had an answer to canons, much less our floating mines and our air superiority.
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inb4
Players: You can't match our air superiority!
Caribou: "Call in Santa Claus. Unleash the reindeer commandos!"

But yeah, we should be able to make short work of any caribou raiding ships we encounter.
 
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Crow gotta eat said:
Think we can tell him about the Orichalcum deposit that the Broken Horns were keeping secret? Or what are the chances he found out and it doesn't really matter now? Just predicting whether or not that option is still available since the "find a young yak leader for a coup" probably won't work now.
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Well, once we meet him to discuss trade and diplomatic relationships between our people we should see if he brings up the mine on his own, or ask if his people have found new oricalchum sources since the last time we asked.

If he admits to it or brings it up on his own, that's even better! We don't need to admit to our spying.

If he doesn't..well, then we can tell him. Maybe that clan is STILL hiding it from him. Anyway we can make some reasonable offer. We have money to spare, while we REALLY need that metal to make more weapons/armors for the likely war against Maretonia.

Sentient Tree said:
On the one hand, mules are sterile, so if hippogriffs are like mules they probably won't be able to reproduce. On the other hand, plants can form tons of different hybrids that can still reproduce, even offspring that have multiple times the number of chromosomes. So it's not entirely impossible that the hippogriffs would be able to reproduce.
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On the third hand, magic.
 
Sentient Tree said:
On the one hand, mules are sterile, so if hippogriffs are like mules they probably won't be able to reproduce.
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in the actual show their was a whole kingdom of hippogriffs that thing was they were really good at making magical items and made one that turned their whole race into sea ponies (read pony mermaids) to escape from an invading force by hiding under the sea. So if a whole kingdom can be made entirely out of hippogriffs then it's probably a safe bet to assume the can have kids.

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But yeah, we should be able to make short work of any caribou raiding ships we encounter.
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speaking of ships, how big is our navy again? If I recall it's kinda small and we've been leaving most of our navel defense to neighpon.
 
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