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Who Needs Harmony?: An MLP Empire Quest

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Angelform said:
This is even more so as sieges aren't going to be a thing. A castle can be fortified against flyers but a city cannot. (Not without spending the ludicrous sums of money to make every house a castle or building it underground.) Walls are fine for keeping wild animals out but Griffins, or Diamond Dogs for different reasons, laugh as such obstacles. There will be no weeks long period of sitting outside the walls trying to batter a way in. Just a battle in the sky and streets then the winner gets a city full of food.

You cannot treat warfare involving flying armies anything like conventional warfare. The governing principles are just too different.
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Here i will say that if you can't treat this like conventional warfare than you need to go all the way.
For starters we are not talking about humans here so i would assume that fortifications are build that way to keep other Griffons out, cuz i doubt that Griffons were peaceful through their history.
In mlp we saw ponie fortifications, but ponies have their own way of protection through magic (Shining Armor). Griffons don't have magic so it is right to assume that they made fortifications in their cities capable of keeping threats out (including invading Griffon armies).
 
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Hm. Can griffons control weather like Pegasi? If that's the case, then we could just make the air above our cities too dangerous to fly in and force them to have to go through our walls first.
 
Angelform said:
Human armies need extensive supply trains because it takes a long time to get where they are going. A man cannot carry a months worth of food plus weapons and armour. But three days? That you can carry with no issue. When in three days you travel 300 kilometres, fight a battle, then travel another 300 kilometres back to your base you don't need supply wagons or boats following along.
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That's operating under the assumption that everything is going to go according to plan, and in war it almost never does. Units get lost or lag behind, supplies spill or spoil, and in the wilds of the Griffon lands you're just as likely to be ambushed by feral Diamond Dogs, Trolls, Manticores, etc. And what happens if you are encircled or otherwise cut off from escape to friendly lines? Traveling light is an option, but if literally anything goes wrong you'll be facing a serious supply shortage while in enemy territory.

The fact that almost all of your people are capable of flight will be taken into consideration, make no mistake, but logistics and supply lines for your military will be an issue in this quest.
 
Blimps honestly are great air travel for relatively short distances, and they make shipping cargo to and from rural areas easier, so yeah cant wait for airships either
 
In the show isn't there pegasi that pull chariots along? Is it possible for us to do that with supply wagons or carts?
 
So this is me just being paranoid but next turn we should send our spies to Wingbardy on the off chance there are dissatisfied nobles who are willing to sell out to King Brochard if they get to be in charge of Wingbardy.
 
Also, for anyone wanting to write an Omake from King Brochard's point of view and want some insight into his mindset before the spy action can reveal more:

Brochard had, and still has, his own designs on uniting the Griffon Kingdoms and reforming the Empire with him at its head. Your sudden arrival on the world stage complicated things. Unlike your predecessor, who was content simply to maintain the status quo, he sees you as an actual threat to his ambitions. As such, he felt it necessary to accelerate his plans to unite all Griffons under his banner. By force, if necessary.

As to whether or not he believes you actually are a descendant of the Imperial Line...well, you have to admit, it seems awfully convenient that the only living inheritor of the Imperial Crown just appears shortly after Discord's dissapearance and the death of the king of Griffonia.

Truthfully, whether your claims of ancestry are genuine or not is irrelevant to him. All that matters to him is whether or not other Griffons believe it, and so he has done all he can to delegitimize your claim to prevent any sentimental Nobles of his from trying to pledge their fealty to you. And it's worked...so far.
 
Angelform said:
Just to note, 50kph is not full speed it is their 'cruise along all day' speed.

On the flip-side you can't really 'run' in flight aside from diving. On the ground you can walk at 5 kph for hours or run at 20 for a couple of minutes. In the air you can cruise at 50 for hours or 'sprint' at 75 for a couple of minutes.
Can also dive at 200kph but I suspect doing that in full armour would result in a crater. Gravity and momentum are not forgiving of such activities.

This doesn't make sense unless we are fighting over an area the size of Russia with thousand kilometres gaps between cities.

Human armies need extensive supply trains because it takes a long time to get where they are going. A man cannot carry a months worth of food plus weapons and armour. But three days? That you can carry with no issue. When in three days you travel 300 kilometres, fight a battle, then travel another 300 kilometres back to your base you don't need supply wagons or boats following along.

This is even more so as sieges aren't going to be a thing. A castle can be fortified against flyers but a city cannot. (Not without spending the ludicrous sums of money to make every house a castle or building it underground.) Walls are fine for keeping wild animals out but Griffins, or Diamond Dogs for different reasons, laugh as such obstacles. There will be no weeks long period of sitting outside the walls trying to batter a way in. Just a battle in the sky and streets then the winner gets a city full of food.

You cannot treat warfare involving flying armies anything like conventional warfare. The governing principles are just too different.
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Well the amount a griffin eats versus how much a human eats could a-count for that somewhat, If griffins need to eat more than they can carry (In flight remember!) for more than a day than food transport makes sense. Taking into consideration the flying distances you mentioned it would make sense if the kingdom is huge by conventional standards. Anything within 3 days flight of your main fortress should basically be automatically included within your territory so it would make sense if nobles territory would be spread out by at least that distance. Now what that says about how big the whole country is I don't know, but taking into consideration how difficult it would be to defend a human city against flying opponents it would seem likely that griffin cities are not like human ones. I imagine they would instead take the form of easily evacuated settlements with farming spread out and hidden from arial view throughout the surrounding area, allowing for extended harassment of any intrusion to their territory. Or a mountainous region with numerous cave dwellings that are extremely difficult to invade and very easy to defend. In those circumstances I imagine it would be easy for the defending forces to wage guerrilla warfare on any attackers.
 
Questor said:
Also, for anyone wanting to write an Omake from King Brochard's point of view and want some insight into his mindset before the spy action can reveal more:

Brochard had, and still has, his own designs on uniting the Griffon Kingdoms and reforming the Empire with him at its head. Your sudden arrival on the world stage complicated things. Unlike your predecessor, who was content simply to maintain the status quo, he sees you as an actual threat to his ambitions. As such, he felt it necessary to accelerate his plans to unite all Griffons under his banner. By force, if necessary.

As to whether or not he believes you actually are a descendant of the Imperial Line...well, you have to admit, it seems awfully convenient that the only living inheritor of the Imperial Crown just appears shortly after Discord's dissapearance and the death of the king of Griffonia.

Truthfully, whether your claims of ancestry are genuine or not is irrelevant to him. All that matters to him is whether or not other Griffons believe it, and so he has done all he can to delegitimize your claim to prevent any sentimental Nobles of his from trying to pledge their fealty to you. And it's worked...so far.
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How long till the update so people know how much time they got to write?
 
So he is rushing then. That can work to our advantage then. A rushed plan has more points of failure. If we play this smart we can break his forces. If we can win or even just hold out he loses legitimacy. Here he is a king born and raised to lead and rule and he can not defeat a former merchant. No way will that look good for him.
 
Matthew Gates said:
Well the amount a griffin eats versus how much a human eats could a-count for that somewhat, If griffins need to eat more than they can carry (In flight remember!) for more than a day than food transport makes sense. Taking into consideration the flying distances you mentioned it would make sense if the kingdom is huge by conventional standards. Anything within 3 days flight of your main fortress should basically be automatically included within your territory so it would make sense if nobles territory would be spread out by at least that distance. Now what that says about how big the whole country is I don't know, but taking into consideration how difficult it would be to defend a human city against flying opponents it would seem likely that griffin cities are not like human ones. I imagine they would instead take the form of easily evacuated settlements with farming spread out and hidden from arial view throughout the surrounding area, allowing for extended harassment of any intrusion to their territory. Or a mountainous region with numerous cave dwellings that are extremely difficult to invade and very easy to defend. In those circumstances I imagine it would be easy for the defending forces to wage guerrilla warfare on any attackers.
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Don't forget that they also have/had to defend against Diamond Dogs and trolls though, who are bound by ground, so having walls wouldn't be such a bad thing either, it would be advantageous. Diamond dog horde waits outside the city while supplies are flown in by Griffons just flying above them, eventually they can just wait the Diamond Dogs out without having to leave their stuff behind to be looted by the dogs.

Edit: I misread a few things in you wrote, thought you were saying something else.
 
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It's been a while since I watched the show, but Griffons can manipulate clouds, right?

They could try resting in the sky instead of stopping on the ground.
 
Crow gotta eat said:
Don't forget that they also have/had to defend against Diamond Dogs and trolls though, who are bound by ground, so having walls wouldn't be such a bad thing either, it would be advantageous. Diamond dog horde waits outside the city while supplies are flown in by Griffons just flying above them, eventually they can just wait the Diamond Dogs out without having to leave their stuff behind to be looted by the dogs.

Edit: I misread a few things in you wrote, thought you were saying something else.
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Actually that is relevant. I suspect that most settlements would have walls to defend against ground threats but since diamond dogs are such great diggers I think that they are probably basic/easy to fix. Where as the mountain cave settlements would be high up or inaccessible without flight enough of the time.
 
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How long till King Brochard invades, that is the question. Extremely pessimistically would be immediately next turn and extremely optimistically would be never and war is averted.

Seeing Brochard's current mindset, I'd guess soon but I doubt he'd attack immediately so I'd guess we have some breathing room of a turn or two more before the attack begins.
 
Thedudeman400 said:
How long till King Brochard invades, that is the question. Extremely pessimistically would be immediately next turn and extremely optimistically would be never and war is averted.

Seeing Brochard's current mindset, I'd guess soon but I doubt he'd attack immediately so I'd guess we have some breathing room of a turn or two more before the attack begins.
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If I had to guess, war will likely be declared in the next 1 to 3 turns.
 
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