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Who Needs Harmony?: An MLP Empire Quest
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I'm actually curious about this
@Questor how are the ponies split between the crystal empire and our territory? Do we actually have the majority of them adopted? What are the actual numbers? The adopted are considered citizen of the empire and not of the protectorate, am I right?
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About one sixth of Crystal Ponies relocated to the Empire and were subsequently adopted. There are currently about a quarter of a million Crystal Ponies in total between the Empire and the Protectorate.
And all Crystal Ponies, both adopted and Protectorate, are citizens of the Empire. But the adopted ponies within the Imperial heartland are not also citizens of the protectorate.
Compare it to Puerto Rico. It's not an American State, but it's people are American citizens. It's a similar deal with the protectorate in that regard.
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That doesn't make any sense. You said that there was no way the CP population could be sustained in the Crystal Empire and that most would be moved to the Gyrphus Empire and that a minority stayed behind to start Rebuilding. If only a sixth moved to the Empire then that is not a minority staying behind that is the majority and most of them should still be in no condition to be working on anything. This is a massive contradiction to what was set up before and it is making it harder to take anything you say as fact.
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Maybe a number moved back after getting protectorate status and a year of rebuilding has allowed more ponies to safely live in their old home
I'm pretty sure anyone saying the majority would evacuate was making stuff up, the GM quotes I remember said that it had horrible conditions and would need massive foreign aid but we're providing that aid so...
As for the vote, I disagree with both major options but at this point it's not worth fighting them. I still don't get why we're going for the logistics upgrade immediately since army upkeep is such a small portion of our budget and we're not having major logistical trouble with the current system.
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I said that "many fled to Gryphus". I never said how many, nor that a majority had left.
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Enough that even though we haven't finished the very program that is met to get them on the road to recovery? Also we get told that the city is still a huge mess and not ready to support a large amount of people. And enough that the people in the Crystal Empire are now the majority of the population?
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Look at any slums, people will survive and live in the worst places. The city will recover a little on its own, and some ponies probably will work extra hard just to be more exhausted at night so they don't dream about Sombra
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So we have between 40000 and 50000 people. Honestly with our population of 3 mil or so that really makes the refugee issues blown out of proportion.
The slums only work because despite the issue the people are more or less mentally sound. The ponies are still extremely traumatized and not fully capable of doing things. The fact that there actually was some form of government possible at all is more handwaving than anything else. These people are also still suffering from the physical issues that being starved and worked to death would cause. That is something that takes years of work to recover from and it is likely that they will never fully recover. Which means they are not physically capable of working as hard even if they wanted to.
I strongly disagree, I don't think we'd be able to annex them. How are going to do that? are we going to go 20 years from now (actually it'd go out son no? just asking) and tell the CP to give up all their authority and autonomy?
I can see us destroying them economically but how are we going to transfer our culture when we can't say anything about their domestic policy and we're taking immigrants instead of our citizens being emigrants.
Also this is with the CP, but with the Yaks it'd be worse, we don't have any relationship with them more than the first fight against Sombra in which they took massive losses (for them), moreover they're divided into 4 tribes rivals between themselves so if they modernize it's possible they end forming 4 different countries instead of one.
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You are way late to the party. Also they are already destroryed economically their lands are a barren wasteland and will take a long time to be able to repair that.
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Never. Unless we become too ill to rule we are staying in power for as long as possible.
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when gawain is like 20 or so.
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Well, we should at least wait until our son is old enough. Right now he's 14, so at the very least 4 more years. We're 45, so maybe we could wait until we're 50? Maybe we could abdicate on the 25th anniversary of our coronation.
Something else to consider should be if Gawain would feel ready by then. We could have him assume some important role to gain more experience otherwise. Like a general in our army, or our diplomacy advisor. Or even simply as our head ambassador to Neighpon.
And of course the transition should happen, if at all possible, in a period of peace. So if another war starts we should wait until after it.
Do notice Gawain's stats once you remove the -5 from being a teenager, he's better than us at everything except learning!
Why? It's better if we're the one to decide when to step down instead of being forced to by death or old age. And after abdicating Garrick can both rest a little and dedicate himself to something else. He could become our ambassador (also an excuse to travel and see the sights), an advisor (still less stressful than being the emperor) or maybe the head/leader/president/whaterverthetitleis of our central bank!
Right now Garrick has been king/emperor for 19 years, and in his rule he has gone through two major wars. Before that he was a traveling merchant during the age of discord, when up was down and fishes flied in the sky.
He would certainly consider abdicating IF he believed Gawain was ready
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You all do realize that our son will have no experience with ruling correct? Training and preparing can only get him so far. Same with the rest of our kids. Our son once he is older will be placed into the public service and bureaucracy of our Empire. He is going to need that work to actually experience running and organizing things so that when he finally does take the throne is isn't in over his head. We don't actually want young people on the throne if we can avoid it. We want seasoned and experienced officers.
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Ultimately it comes down to when Garrick wants to go. Personally I'd see it end after maybe a 25 to 30 year reign, and make plans for the transition and allowing us to mentor Gawain on the method of rulership. The last thing we want is an old man who lived too long and stifled the next generation.
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Gawain is not going to be sitting around doing nothing during our reign. He is going to be out in the world and Empire working. He is going to be climbing the ranks and learning more as he goes along. The entire time he is getting experience and implementing new ideas. He isn't going to be just a place holder.
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That's fair, but waiting until he's 25 or 30 or even older(and thus more experienced) Is very different from
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I would hope we give gawain some time to try ruling by us stepping down for like a year to see how he does but with us there to help should shit go sideways or a war break out. Roughly doing that when he turns like 18-20 then abdicating the throne to him when we start to get late in our years so when gawain is around 25 or so would be a good time to pass the crown on.
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Also setting up such a tradition allows for a king a generation and fairly ordinary succession. Hardly anyone would dispute Gawain since we are still alive. In effect this makes sure our family is THE Royal family
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Exactly which is why while we are still in our "prime" as a emperor we should let him try his hand at ruling when he turns 18 to see how he does.
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