Plan Trojan Awe seems to be the clear consensus. I'll start writing the update. Expect it to take a few days.

Also, just wanted to express my thanks for everyone who's been reading, liking and following this Quest. It means a lot to me.
Adhoc vote count started by Questor on Apr 6, 2019 at 12:59 PM, finished with 8426 posts and 12 votes.

  • [X]Trojan Awe Amended
    [X] Within and Without: Captain Karl actually raised this idea, and with some refinement it might be workable. The freed slaves have provided you and your forces with detailed layouts of the city, and knowledge of lesser-used entrances and pathways that Sombra's forces may neglect to patrol. Exploit this information by having the Diamond Dogs tunnel under the walls and into the center of the city itself, catching the defenders between attacks from their front and their rear.
    [X]Trojan Awe Amended (use QM info)
    [X]Shock and Awe (If we do that we can keep Sombra off guard, normal siege will never work when Sombra's kingdom is surrounded by WINDIGO's, let alone the fact sombra can use the time to magic ritual us...)- We attack the main city gates using illusionists to cloak our forces and allow for closer approach to the fortress wall prior to the assault (less time in the kill Box so we lose less soldiers to magic and arrows, also the enemy will be more easily caught off guard, especially if they are attempting to clean up from Kaboom's Explosives).
    [X]Set Kaboom's charges to detonate just prior to offensive (It will cripple any defensive plan Sombra has concocted and likely make breaching the defences much easier, )
    [X] Use information from the liberated Crystal ponies to get a clearer image of the palace layout (We send Hardbeak with a heavy combat contingent to where ever the throne room is while we send our demolition team (to destroy/ sever Sombra's link to the Phylactory or failing that to his crystal core computer in-charge of enslaving his army)
    [X]Use Diamond Dogs coupled with remaining illusionists to burrow into castle catacombs during main offence and attack from multiple angles or sabotage/ scouting (in case the Ponies are unaware of where the phylactery or Crystal Core computer are- They attack after the offensive begins as it will draw all enemies to the front line,allowing easier movement and sabotage by our Diamond Dog teams, illusionists increase stealth after breaching palace by cloaking troops).
    [X]Have our 3 knight orders leaders on standby for Sombra's inner sanctum (the grandmasters have Orichalcum blades so even if Hardbeak is busy/not available/fighting off a dragon army the others can step in)
    [X]Use bonuses from units supporting hardbeak to ensure Sombra gets no chance against Hardbeak (lets face it Sombra will focus solely on him for cutting of his horn and Stabbing him in the face with a fiery sword)
 
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Plan Trojan Awe seems to be the clear consensus. I'll start writing the update. Expect it to take a few days.

Also, just wanted to express my thanks for everyone who's been reading, liking and following this Quest. It means a lot to me.
Given that we are currently at 87 omake threadmaeks, I think I can confidently say that we all REALLY enjoy what you have done here.

Pleasure to be here really.
 
"You listen here and you listen good." He growled out. "If you ever utter the words 'Crystal Protectorate' again then, by my House and all my ancestors, I will stuff you down into the darkest, smallest little box I can find and retire."

How about Crystal Dominion? We could turn the Crystal Ponies into the Equus equivalent of Canadians.

Honestly at the moment they're in the same position as our Diamond Dogs used to be, outcasts looking for safety and too weak to do much themselves... plus there's the matter that Sombra has likely given the royal treatment to their nobility (turned them to stone, shattered the statues and spread the rubble across the frozen wasteland).

 
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I really like that anthem you've got going, it's got just enough of a mix between cheer and industrious work spirit that fits pretty well with the crystal ponies I feel. Almost like a harmony song of getting things back to normal for them with aspirations towards a brighter tomorrow.
 
How about Crystal Dominion? We could turn the Crystal Ponies into the Equus equivalent of Canadians.

Honestly at the moment they're in the same position as our Diamond Dogs used to be, outcasts looking for safety and too weak to do much themselves... plus there's the matter that Sombra has likely given the royal treatment to their nobility (turned them to stone, shattered the statues and spread the rubble across the frozen wasteland).
There is one key difference here though.

The diamond dogs didn't really have much of a culture before. The crystal ponies had their own language, traditions, laws, flags and symbols, achivements and their own city.

Yes, a nation that has once been destroyed can never live again. But a culture is not so easily destroyed, the memory and history will live on even if they only become myth.

In this case, honey will be more effective than vinegar. If we come and help them rebuild to be one their own nation again then never in the history of the crystal ponies will they not remember who liberated them and helped them in their darkest hour.
 
I'm honestly afraid of when we defeat sombra cause let's be honest we will. He is honestly my favorite villain...okay only villain I like and the idea we are just going to remove this guy is rather sad. Although his tendency to not staying in his grave might continue. I just don't want him to die with a single stroke I want him to be someone we know is out there in the world just not where.
 
I'm honestly afraid of when we defeat sombra cause let's be honest we will. He is honestly my favorite villain...okay only villain I like and the idea we are just going to remove this guy is rather sad. Although his tendency to not staying in his grave might continue. I just don't want him to die with a single stroke I want him to be someone we know is out there in the world just not where.
It isn't a single stroke this is the thrid time we are killing him. Because the other were the same as killing him. He lost his body, he has lost more of his power and now we are close enough to destroy his orb.
 
There is one key difference here though.

The diamond dogs didn't really have much of a culture before. The crystal ponies had their own language, traditions, laws, flags and symbols, achivements and their own city.

Yes, a nation that has once been destroyed can never live again. But a culture is not so easily destroyed, the memory and history will live on even if they only become myth.

In this case, honey will be more effective than vinegar. If we come and help them rebuild to be one their own nation again then never in the history of the crystal ponies will they not remember who liberated them and helped them in their darkest hour.
Except, most cultural sites and most of the population has been demolished and culled by Sombra. We are looking at a population that just might not even have any historians, artists or other such individuals alive since they might've not been able to survive the harsh conditions of their toil.
 
I meant as the first time attacking him the other times we are defending.
Doesn't matter most armies are defeated on the defensive instead of on the offensive so that is par for the course. We made sure that the time we actually decided to attack would be stacked in our favor. There was never going to be multiple attempts to invade there was only ever going to be the one time. Planning to attack several times because you don't stack the deck in your favor gets you the same situation that Sombra is in. This war has cost a ridiculous amount of blood and treasure already. We have spent thousands of units of wealth and killed hundreds of thousands of people on both sides this is no minor investment and he has nowhere left to run. We are not the ponies that simply let threats go and come back we will kill him or break his power so much he is worthless.
 
while we wait for the update i have to comment on this:

Season 9: Sombra is back...but his voice! IT'S TERRIBLE!



THEY RUINED HIM! :rofl: He went from a dark lord to a snob!
 
There is one key difference here though.

The diamond dogs didn't really have much of a culture before. The crystal ponies had their own language, traditions, laws, flags and symbols, achivements and their own city.

Yes, a nation that has once been destroyed can never live again. But a culture is not so easily destroyed, the memory and history will live on even if they only become myth.

In this case, honey will be more effective than vinegar. If we come and help them rebuild to be one their own nation again then never in the history of the crystal ponies will they not remember who liberated them and helped them in their darkest hour.

Except, most cultural sites and most of the population has been demolished and culled by Sombra. We are looking at a population that just might not even have any historians, artists or other such individuals alive since they might've not been able to survive the harsh conditions of their toil.

Not to mention a hundred years of Discord followed by a tyrant so terrifying that some Crystal Ponies would take their own lives rather than remember his rule. In canon Sombra managed to erase all mentions of the Crystal Heart, even locking memories away behind a veil of fear. Their population has been decimated from the hundreds of thousands Sombra used as cannon fodder, we have four thousand huddled in tent cities. Our heroic liberation combined with the generosity of our citizens, I wouldn't be surprised if the Diamond Dogs had competition in the 'worshiping the Emperor as a quasi-deity'.

Oh and I just realised the best real life comparison we have for the liberated Crystal Ponies would be Holocaust survivors.
 
Not to mention a hundred years of Discord followed by a tyrant so terrifying that some Crystal Ponies would take their own lives rather than remember his rule. In canon Sombra managed to erase all mentions of the Crystal Heart, even locking memories away behind a veil of fear. Their population has been decimated from the hundreds of thousands Sombra used as cannon fodder, we have four thousand huddled in tent cities. Our heroic liberation combined with the generosity of our citizens, I wouldn't be surprised if the Diamond Dogs had competition in the 'worshiping the Emperor as a quasi-deity'.

Oh and I just realised the best real life comparison we have for the liberated Crystal Ponies would be Holocaust survivors.


They might be jaded on the concept of rulers and worship if it is similar to the holocaust.
 
If we really want to have Sombra around as an antagonist for later, there's nothing saying a tiny fraction of his essence can't survive the phylactery being destroyed, and slowly recover over several centuries. Proper villains always have an exit strategy, after all.
 
If we really want to have Sombra around as an antagonist for later, there's nothing saying a tiny fraction of his essence can't survive the phylactery being destroyed, and slowly recover over several centuries. Proper villains always have an exit strategy, after all.

That is why we can put a nail of Orichaclum in his skull. Nail that shadow to the ground and use a mold to fill it in with anti-inflammatory magic metal.

Cruel, but he both has it coming and double tapping is a thing.

I mean, if your first "rational" thought after finding out you are a shadow creature is to murdurize people who are nothing but nice to you, then you are going to get struck down with prejudice since we now know what your plans are.

Edit: it is fine if you want to fight him again, I think I was too harsh, and did not mean to sound callous and utilitarian. He was fun to fight.
 
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I will say though that despite what he has done to his people and us he is probably the best thing that could have happened to this quest, He gave us a challenge to face and a threat to fear and eliminate. Without him what would we have done for all those turns? research explore meet and repeat it would have gotten old to fast, but this, this gave us the perfect wrench to throw into this whole quest. And one im sure we are all enjoying trying to defeat.
 
I will say though that despite what he has done to his people and us he is probably the best thing that could have happened to this quest, He gave us a challenge to face and a threat to fear and eliminate. Without him what would we have done for all those turns? research explore meet and repeat it would have gotten old to fast, but this, this gave us the perfect wrench to throw into this whole quest. And one im sure we are all enjoying trying to defeat.

He is a good enemy and helped us grow. It showed other nations we are strong even without magic, and was the first threat outside of the gryphon lands.

I sort of feel bad for suggesting painful, permanant ways to get rid of him.

Maybe he will be back in the future, but we will have the downtime to explore some more at least.
 
I will say though that despite what he has done to his people and us he is probably the best thing that could have happened to this quest, He gave us a challenge to face and a threat to fear and eliminate. Without him what would we have done for all those turns? research explore meet and repeat it would have gotten old to fast, but this, this gave us the perfect wrench to throw into this whole quest. And one im sure we are all enjoying trying to defeat.
Honestly, I feel like we should give QM a bit more credit. Like, sombras real bad, yeah, but there was potential for other possible threats with the yaks earlier, the missing money going somewhere that we still have yet to find, chances of the dragons of neighpon actually being ticking time bombs if they wake up or somesuch, and so on and so forth.

Sombra just happened to explode to the surface first... and so far, I think he may wind up being the easiest threat we'll face. No tactical planning, full of hubris, no research done on his enemy outside what he personally witnessed... the future looks bright from atop a mountain, but looking around, there may yet be taller peaks to climb.
 
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