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So, for anybody that voted because of the bank both plans are now doing the Bank action. Please review and choose which one you like best.
Who Needs Harmony?: An MLP Empire Quest
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Again the steam engine is something for after we have researched all our current military tech. It is a long term project because the current actions get us the first early engines which means they are very limited in what they can actually do. We are facing an existential threat we can't afford to lay off of our military unless there is no more research in that tree at the moment.
And that's we're we disagree completely, I think the steam engine is more important than any of the mil tech, I think it will do more for us than any of them and needs to be taken immediately, it will do more to help us against Sombra than any bonuses.
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How will it help against Sombra? These are not the steam engines of the late Industrial Revolution. These engines are weak large and expensive. They can't be used to move large amounts of cargo. They are too large when they are strong enough to power large pumps which is what these early engines were only really capable of doing. These engines are the first in a chain of engines and the weakest form of them.
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But the only way we will get the better ones is by building the shittiest one first.
It doesn't matter, the development of them will lead to further advances and those will have more of an impact on us than a dozen mil upgrades. It's a gigantic leap that is more important than a few incremental upgrades.
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Yes which we can do once we have done the only remaining military tech we have left. Then we can focus on the industrial techs but they are unlikely to get us anything for this war unless we really screw up and the war lasts a decade or more. They are good to follow when we have all our weapons done so we don't need to worry.
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The easy solution here would be to exchange swords (useless until the fight, and even then they'll probably be more important on the offensive that on the defensive in my opinion) for an overtime. Then we can have both steam engines and scattershot.
There is NO ADVANTAGE in having the swords sooner.
EDIT P.s. am I the only one that cares more about the swords that the scatter shot/steam engine discussion?
I mean, I can see good points on both sides their, but not for the swords!
There is NO ADVANTAGE in having the swords sooner.
EDIT P.s. am I the only one that cares more about the swords that the scatter shot/steam engine discussion?
I mean, I can see good points on both sides their, but not for the swords!
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I just wanted to get the swords done and out of the way, they needed to be done at some point and I just wanted them finished.
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I just think the other actions give benefits sooner.
Also if we wait we might mine more oricalchum for MORE swords (we are mining it slowly after all), or maybe our new magic advisor might have some.. advice about them
No matter how much we mine, this is a personal action and will only give us the same amount of swords.
@Adventwolf How about we compromise, instead of the scatter shot you do the steam engine and instead of the overtime bank you do scatter shot, that seems like a good compromise between our two plans, the only difference is the bank which I feel is of lesser importance than the steam engine?
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I switched out for the bank because people wanted it. The only thing I care about is improving our military and expanding our population and economy quickly. The bank works with that while we are at war. Once it is done we can focus on new stuff next turn.
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That isn't the main reason we are settling the west. The main reason is to expand, our population, resources, food production, lumber, any possible minerals, and tax income from the new province. Along with making contact and influence on the Yaks that much easier.
That's not how a number of people have been talking, they wanted to do it because they thought the Yaks would take it first.
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That is a possibility that has been brought up this turn. And, one that makes sense why wouldn't they settle in a land that has no one in it? If you actually read the turns since the option became available you would have seen that the stuff I posted is the reason we want to take the lands.
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Recap of why we should take the land now
1)income boost
2)we take the lands before they can even consider it. This means more living space, and (in the future) a slightly bigger population
3)makes trading easier and has our people living closer to theirs. As they can then see that our people enjoy better standards of living that a nomadic culture can provide this should indirectly strengthen the modernist faction, and maybe start to make their elders wonder if they're right.
EDIT Funny enough a stronger blizzard from Sombra could actually help us strengthen the modernist faction
Stronger blizzards=less food, BUT we have hothouses and a number of farming innovations to help us trough it. They don't.
Few things can convince them of our way being better than "we never lack food or warmth, even in the coldest winters.
1)income boost
2)we take the lands before they can even consider it. This means more living space, and (in the future) a slightly bigger population
3)makes trading easier and has our people living closer to theirs. As they can then see that our people enjoy better standards of living that a nomadic culture can provide this should indirectly strengthen the modernist faction, and maybe start to make their elders wonder if they're right.
EDIT Funny enough a stronger blizzard from Sombra could actually help us strengthen the modernist faction
Stronger blizzards=less food, BUT we have hothouses and a number of farming innovations to help us trough it. They don't.
Few things can convince them of our way being better than "we never lack food or warmth, even in the coldest winters.
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Sure there is. This is the first significance usage of Orichalcum in anything. It is likely to be a cornerstone of our army in the future, as antimagic is a complete game changer. We need to get to testing its practical usage ASAP so we can find its limitations. Plus we should get used to the blades' weight/other properties before we need to put our lives on the line.
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I doubt the "getting used to the weight" will take more than a few months (basically the turn we make them in.)
And swords specifically meant for our strongest fighters are not exactly the best way to "test its practical usage". That would probably require some new learning/military option, maybe unlocked by our new advisor
EDIT basically if we want " testing" (which we already partly did) we won't find it in a personal action
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Right now we can't do much testing since we don't have mages to test with. Luckily that's being fixed this turn with the other personal action. Having the swords already made would be very useful there so they can test with actual weapons rather than just hunks of the metal.
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Both of those can be done in the same turn.