Or you know, simply not accepted into our society. In any case this is not relevant now. All the ones we have will accept.
We Are the Gods of a New World Order [Warhammer 50K ~ Warp God Simulator]
- Thread starter Alectai
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Or you know, simply not accepted into our society. In any case this is not relevant now. All the ones we have will accept.
meianmaru
The Devourer of Fiction
No. Just no. Don't put words into the mouth of the QM.
Alectai
Speaks Words of Wisdom... On occasion
They don't think that way, dissent doesn't happen at the level of population they're currently sporting. It only happens if there's such a population glut that internal dissent will not impact their ability to operate.
I will probably be dropping this quest after this vote anyway so I don't care what excuses they have made to try and make it morally correct to commit genocide.
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- Austria
So choice between segregation and potentially soft coercion into mutation into something else.
Well, I suppose latter is mildly better, but it is not a good choice by any stretch.
Then again, sufficient mutation can easily make them retroactively think they wanted it all along.
Well, I suppose latter is mildly better, but it is not a good choice by any stretch.
Then again, sufficient mutation can easily make them retroactively think they wanted it all along.
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The thing is that most of our engagements for the foreseeable future are likely to be on defense, which means they have to come to us, which means the drawback of lower mobility is mitigated somewhat.
This is how I read it as well: the Old Ones massively overclocked the Eldar when creating them, which makes them super powerful but at the issue of requiring heavy levels of support to do things as biologically basic as "heal from wounds" and "reproduce" (liquid nitrogen cooling, in the analogy). This is removing the overclock and reverting them to what they once were.
Call it genocide because that's what it is. The Qm has twisted an entire species around to try and make their very existence a sin and great evil and that the only moral thing to do is to make them dumber, weaker, slower, and all-around lesser then they are.
I thought we were talking about the ones on Equinox? the ones who are probably genetically divergent from the Eldar Empire: "with bodies so strongly engineered that even a broken bone was even odds as to whether it would cause an infection and die or if it would ever heal again."
And given how they apparently had such a high mortality rate that their entire population, even after all this time, is still composed of purely children, then they are very much glass cannons. I was under the impression that they were somewhat-psychotic shock troops, so i was advocating not commanding them to immediately take their meds that would also remove their status as elite troops, but to instead delay it to both ease them into the idea, and to have the elite unit if the Empire sends another exterminating force (because with the size of the cult, genocide seems to be what te empire would do)
It's very much the lesser evil, but ultimately it's more the Old Ones' evil than ours. The psycho-cultural issues they have and their inability to dissent from leadership (and therefore for most of them to consent) are all things that were baked into them by their creators. short of refusing to make the choice and exiling them there is no option here that is not in some way tainted by that primordial evil.
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- colombia
the eldar are bioweapons
sentient ones ,incredibly wise and beatiful
but their minds and bodies are warfare attuned
they need warfare in the same way humans need companionship and pushing boundaries
dont get me wrong,this is genocide as in
''killing the native population through cultural erosion and demographic displacement''
but such is life,specially in 40k
and jungle kids didnt have that much of a society to begin with,they were ''lord of the flies but elf''
im all aboard into creating a more stable eldar sub-species
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Yeah, but some people, given choice, do prefer being overclocked.
Consider kind of person who becomes olympic champion, for example.
But, again, if we decide to mass mutate them, we might as well make them grateful for it. How did it go...ah, yes, somewhat relevant.
Article: My gift to industry is the genetically engineered worker, or Genejack. Specially designed for labor, the Genejack's muscles and nerves are ideal for his task, and the cerebral cortex has been atrophied so that he can desire nothing except to perform his duties. Tyranny, you say? How can you tyrannize someone who cannot feel pain?
Eldar will be thankful to maiden for her help. She will make sure that's the case.
If you can alter people's brains, you can ensure they feel about you exactly the way you want them to; and not asking for individual consent before doing that makes things oh so much easier.
pheonix89
Wants to be Seven Of Nine
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Well, I guess it's up to you if you want to rage-quit over a problem you completely made up.
One could make the argument that change is not necessarily bad. Growth and maturity, which include integrating into society, are seen as positives by most human cultures. So going by that narrative, giving them the choice to change is a pretty moral option.
Yet i would like to mention that freedom without knowledge is but an illusion; how can they make a choice freely if they are not fully informed? We could ask for volunteers to test it, and for them to decided for themselves if they want to change their genes later
Yet i would like to mention that freedom without knowledge is but an illusion; how can they make a choice freely if they are not fully informed? We could ask for volunteers to test it, and for them to decided for themselves if they want to change their genes later
Alectai
Speaks Words of Wisdom... On occasion
Well, I'm sorry you feel that way.
I guess we could just go into actual genocide instead of 'Tone down an overclocked war machine biology' if that makes you feel better?
(I'm not doing that, I'm an equal opportunity 'Everyone in this setting is a fucking mess, either by nature or by nurture', this is a chance to help de-escalate some of that and help mellow the setting out. Still, if you feel that strongly that I'm 'Twisting' things, the door's to your left.)
meianmaru
The Devourer of Fiction
Where are you getting this? There is no genetic divergence, they literally come from a cloning vat set to infinity loop of "make more eldar with slightly randomized genetics for diversity":
Okay, yeah, this really puts INTEGRATE into the medical treatment category for me. I suffer from constant anxiety and consistent bouts of depression, and it sounds like the Eldar are in a state like I exist in except a few hundred magnitudes worse and it never turns off.
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- England
Everyone, take a moment and consider: Would this still be an issue if we were doing it to non-consenting Orks to make them less mass-murdery? And then remember these Eldar are consenting.
We have a bunch of children that we are considering fundamentally altering in body and soul most of which can't consent because they were designed as bioweapons by long dead creators. There is definitely an issue here, I just don't think it's one that is @Alectai's fault. It's the sort of grim reality you often face in 40K.
You are saying like it's something bad.
So... I don't suppose me wondering what we can use unused points for later is a welcome distraction, right?
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because it still genocide
well intentioned and justfied if you ask me
but we will be esentially wiping a sub-culture of the eldar and wiping a sub-branch of their genetics
is like if tomorrow we forced all people with down to undergoe a process that forcibly turn them normal
is technically morally rigth
but the changes of organs and mental baseline would be so massive that good chunks of the individual personality would be forever altered
im aboard with the idea,but i get why less ruthless people are icky about it
jwolfe_beta
Semi Genre-Savvy Overlord
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They can pull that off that because Eldar normally have very high levels of technology and fine-tuned psychic support available that can deal with all the many issues their bodies have.
That does raise an interesting question; was there ever a 'natural' Eldar species in existence or did the Old Ones make them from scratch?
I'll take 'No' for 500 Alex.
The post says they 'won't be wasted'. So presumably leftover points will funnel back into lesser buffs etc.
At least you would be more honest with your desires that way.