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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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I mostly think that Head librarian is just spending more actions when we didn't really free any. We repurposed them (or are about to). Ducklings -> Research. While i recognize that acquiring specific books would be easier, i don't think it really pays for the cost of another half an action. Unless we dump EIC, it just feel like its taking away even more from the already really precious resource we can use on the multitude of options we never had any time to do. Turn 31 had like, at least 20 options not related to research for us to do and that number is not likely to go down. And those options are not related to our research backlogs.

Compared to that, personal book requisition is just flat out not as important to me. High level approach gives us enough of an in and if we really really need a book, we can just throw money at the issue. Not ideal, but i still like it more than giving away another half an action.

Not to mention the fact that we are about to have access to mother of all libraries as far as Old World is concerned anyway. We are about to have info on just about any topic imaginable anyway.
 
BoneyM said:
This sort of thing has a very long history as literal 'news letters' - well-connected and literate notables would condense local events down into a letter they would send off to interested but distant parties. This evolved into more formal newsletters, usually from trading companies, where news from their far-flung contacts was sold as a weekly or monthly volumes with which one could keep abreast of happenings across a wide area. The next step into what we would recognize as newspapers hasn't happened yet, and would likely require movable type to be economical.
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Well, i think we are in a good position to do this in scale never seen before.
 
pucflek said:
Not to mention the fact that we are about to have access to mother of all libraries as far as Old World is concerned anyway. We are about to have info on just about any topic imaginable anyway.
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The Library of Mournings is very old and definitely has many books that we would not be able to find anywhere else, but I'm not so sure if the same applies to books that were released in the last few millennia.

Mathilde becoming Head librarian is our best option if we want to get some cooperation with the Library of Mournings.
 
SpaceSloth said:
The Library of Mournings is very old and definitely has many books that we would not be able to find anywhere else, but I'm not so sure if the same applies to books that were released in the last few millennia.

Mathilde becoming Head librarian is our best option if we want to get some cooperation with the Library of Mournings.
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Given that this is a library set up by forest-dwelling isolationists I think w can be all but certain that it has no new books outside their own bubble, where 'new' means less than 4000 years old when the War of the Beard happened.
 
DragonParadox said:
Given that this is a library set up by forest-dwelling isolationists I think w can be all but certain that it has no new books outside their own bubble, where 'new' means less than 4000 years old when the War of the Beard happened.
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Not to detract from the main thrust of your point, which is almost certainly correct, but pedantry compelled me to say that given they heard about our Waagh lecture, they clearly have a non-zero amount of academic contact with the Empire.

That said, I'd still expect them to have vanishingly few academic texts from outside of their bubble - somewhere in the mid single digits, even.
 
It is quite possible that the reason Eonir have next to no academic texts from the empire (if this is the case) will be because most of the things colleges are discovering, they already knew.
 
Redshirt Army said:
Not to detract from the main thrust of your point, which is almost certainly correct, but pedantry compelled me to say that given they heard about our Waagh lecture, they clearly have a non-zero amount of academic contact with the Empire.

That said, I'd still expect them to have vanishingly few academic texts from outside of their bubble - somewhere in the mid single digits, even.
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The lecture post-dates their deal with the Ulricans. Before that there is every indication they were hard isolationists other than shouting at Norland to get off their lawn and trying to make deals with them.
 
Redshirt Army said:
Not to detract from the main thrust of your point, which is almost certainly correct, but pedantry compelled me to say that given they heard about our Waagh lecture, they clearly have a non-zero amount of academic contact with the Empire.
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We know how they heard about that, though- Boris Todbringer gave them a copy.

Not exactly an academic pipeline.
 
I think the main reason I'm more interested in just doing high level policy is that it lets us nudge the direction the library takes, then come back and see what it's become after a few years. By not being so involved in it behind the curtain, we can let it do its own thing without getting as far into the weeds about the costs and benefits of each interaction we have with it. Like, before we got as deep into the Grey College or Dwarven politics, they were mystery boxes that could do anything. Now, we see them better, and while I've enjoyed learning about and interacting with dwarves and wizards, we now see their limits. There's less room to fudge things behind the curtain, and our votes in regards to both groups have a sense of responsibility to them-even a reward like the transcendent boon from Belegar had an undertone of "if you aren't careful, this could harm K8P".

I don't want that from the library. I want it to still be mysterious to us, and still be able to have been up to anything while we weren't looking. I want to read about it and explore what it becomes and causes in the world. I don't want to build it ourselves, because when we're that close to it, some of the wonder of what it becomes will be lost.
 
Valmond said:
It is quite possible that the reason Eonir have next to no academic texts from the empire (if this is the case) will be because most of the things colleges are discovering, they already knew.
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I mean, there's more to the Empire (and the Old World in general) than just the Colleges.

Mathilde has a fairly large library, and only a small portion of it's books came from the Colleges. Most of Mathilde's books aren't about magic.
 
BoneyM said:
The next step into what we would recognize as newspapers hasn't happened yet, and would likely require movable type to be economical.
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Do they have wood cut prints but not movable type yet, then?

Given the sophistication of various engineering endeavors (steam engines, etc) I'm somewhat surprised nobody's had the idea for movable type yet, although I suppose it's not beyond the realm of understanding that with all the craziness going on in Warhammer the order things were invented could be wildly different, even by centuries.

I wonder if the wizards at the colleges figured out a magical equivalent that isn't in wider circulation because it requires a mage's involvement. They would definitely want a far more convenient method of copying and printing books than wood cuts or hand scribing.
 
TaliesinSkye said:
Do they have wood cut prints but not movable type yet, then?
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Yeah, that's how Mathilde has gotten stuff like Asarnil's book printed.

TaliesinSkye said:
Given the sophistication of various engineering endeavors (steam engines, etc) I'm somewhat surprised nobody's had the idea for movable type yet, although I suppose it's not beyond the realm of understanding that with all the craziness going on in Warhammer the order things were invented could be wildly different, even by centuries.
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Everything always seems much more obvious after it's happened. Blackpowder could probably have been invented centuries or millennia earlier than when it was first brought to some places, but it wasn't.

For what it's worth, I'm pretty sure the RPG presented movable type as invented some time in the next couple decades.
 
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Mopman43 said:
Yeah, that's how Mathilde has gotten stuff like Asarnil's book printed.

Everything always seems much more obvious after it's happened. Blackpowder could probably have been invented centuries or millennia earlier than when it was first brought to some places, but it wasn't.

For what it's worth, I'm pretty sure the RPG presented movable type as invented some time in the next couple decades.
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Sometimes I wonder what incredibly obvious in retrospect things are still out there that we haven't thought of.

I guess movable type being invented shortly means that we're destined to do it. XD
 
TaliesinSkye said:
Do they have wood cut prints but not movable type yet, then?

Given the sophistication of various engineering endeavors (steam engines, etc) I'm somewhat surprised nobody's had the idea for movable type yet, although I suppose it's not beyond the realm of understanding that with all the craziness going on in Warhammer the order things were invented could be wildly different, even by centuries.

I wonder if the wizards at the colleges figured out a magical equivalent that isn't in wider circulation because it requires a mage's involvement. They would definitely want a far more convenient method of copying and printing books than wood cuts or hand scribing.
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It's canon from some RPG books I think that movable type isn't invented for a couple more decades yet.
 
[X] (LIBRARY NAME) The Library of Karak-Eight-Peaks / Kron-Azril-Ungol / The Archive of the Silvery Depths
[X] (BRANCH NAME) World's Edge Branch of Intersectional Research
 
Mathilde doing it would be marysue-ish, but someone in Karag Nar, like a Human hire to the Library with an engineering background could make sense.
 
[X] (LIBRARY) High-level policy
[X] (LIBRARY NAME) Kron-Azril-Ungol / The Archive of the Silvery Depths
[X] (BRANCH NAME) World's Edge Branch for Esoteric Research
 
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