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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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The empire is barely (mostly) past torching anyone not a confirmed priest doing anything remotely magical.
Getting bunch of mercenaries to go to other side of the world with minimum wages is bit of an ask.
 
Easiest way out is to say that the ritual's description is a bit hyperbolic. While it's perfectly fine for moving troops around the Empire, cross-continental distances on the scale of a jaunt to Ind or Cathay are either beyond its scope, or risk running into a random patch of high-magic turbulence and turning the subjects into aniseed-flavoured purple cottage cheese along the way.
 
BoneyM said:
And the Old World has substantially more trees and peasants to turn into boats and sailors than it does high-level wizards.
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That's an understatement, imagine how many high-level wizards it would take for the same volume of lumber!

Although sacrificing the Grey college for a Ulgu attuned ship could be worth it... 🤔

Ehh wizard planks would be messy anyway! :p
 
Fehu said:
That's an understatement, imagine how many high-level wizards it would take for the same volume of lumber!

Although sacrificing the Grey college for a Ulgu attuned ship could be worth it... 🤔

Ehh wizard planks would be messy anyway! :p
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Look. The solution for wizard ship is easy. Take a Grey Lord Magister and steal that shit from The Worldwalker. Thought i am not sure if he has been born or even started his journey yet.

EDIT: Now that i mentioned him, do you think Mathilde is big enough name that he would come for her?
 
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pucflek said:
Look. The solution for wizard ship is easy. Take a Grey Lord Magister and steal that shit from The Worldwalker. Thought i am not sure if he has been born or even started his journey yet.

EDIT: Now that i mentioned him, do you think Mathilde is big enough name that he would come for her?
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She's not exactly a renowned warrior, so it's unlikely.
 
BoneyM said:
Buying entire shelves of books on very specific topics through intermediaries that probably don't speak much of the language in question and probably don't understand the topic you want is practically guaranteed to get subpar results, and you'll be paying for the hundreds of kilos of silks and spices you'd be displacing for your literary ambitions every time you roll those dice.



If you need to space out sales to prevent crashing the market then making the trip overnight becomes unnecessary, and at that point you can just replace the ritual with boats and the wizards with sailors and you've got something pretty much identical to what a whole bunch of people are already doing. And the Old World has substantially more trees and peasants to turn into boats and sailors than it does high-level wizards.

Besides, the Colleges that can be motivated by money already have much safer rackets to focus on. The Celestials tell fortunes for the rich and nervous, the Golds control significant chunks of extremely lucrative markets like dyes, medicines, and explosives, and the Jades can secure quite large amounts of gold by selling their services to vinyards and cattle barons.
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Fayhem said:
In other words, I think I just convinced myself (and maybe even somebody else! who knows, the world is a magical place, it could happen) that the Golds - or whoever, but honestly probably the Golds though - might already be doing this, and just keeping mum about it.*

*I have no explanation for why they wouldn't have more wizard-specific goods like books or magic shit from the East around in this case. Shhhh. I'm tired. I want to be done.
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Having missed all of the discussion before Boney's post triggered an alert, my initial impression is that this isn't compellingly viable enough for them to definitely be doing it already, but that It seems pretty viable to get the ball rolling on. I don't know if it'd make enough profit to be worth the time investment to keep doing it, but the first few times at least the wizards could go and pick up literature to bring back instead of some of the silk and spices, so it probably would be worth doing at least a couple of times, depending on how you value information on Cathayan magic/etc. versus money.
 
pucflek said:
Look. The solution for wizard ship is easy. Take a Grey Lord Magister and steal that shit from The Worldwalker. Thought i am not sure if he has been born or even started his journey yet.

EDIT: Now that i mentioned him, do you think Mathilde is big enough name that he would come for her?
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Wulfrik isn't the Worldwalker yet, but what would later become his ship probably already exists, still in the possession of Baga Yar.

Unfortunately it works because of the daemon bound into its figurehead, so would be illegal for Mathilde to use.
 
Valmond said:
When you find "this one weird trick" to make you wealthy, assume that it has already been done and those doing it will kill you to stop competition.
Or that it does not actually work.
Anyway, powerful spellcasters probably have better things to do than try weird lifehacks to get rich, because they either are already getting rich, or don't care.
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Valmond said:
Yes but that is an out of setting explanation.
Sure the QM can just go "no, stop being silly", and frankly when someone tries something like this i that is a perfectly reasonable answer, but it does somewhat limit the conversation a bit.
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To be fair, there have been some discoveries made by doing "one weird trick"s , especially in times of rapid changes and expeeimentation. It doesn't happen often, but it happens, usually in areas where experimentation is too high cost to try new things even when they are likely to work better.
 
deathofrats0808 said:
She's not exactly a renowned warrior, so it's unlikely.
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SuperSonicSound said:
According to the Kislevite witch Mathildes reputation is for being a warrior.
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One doesn't really negate the other, I'd separate being a renowned warrior- with clear contextual connotations of such being someone other warriors may seek out to challenge- and place it at a higher level of fame (and quite frankly skill and experience) than is required to have 'a reputation that speaks of sword and gun.'
 
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I mean being told that by some one more than six thousands miles away from your area of operations speaks to being pretty well renowned. Consider that word doesn't spread far or fast given the tech level and the fact that we have a reputation at all in kislev is incredible.
 
SuperSonicSound said:
I mean being told that by some one more than six thousands miles away from your area of operations speaks to being pretty well renowned. Consider that word doesn't spread far or fast given the tech level and the fact that we have a reputation at all in kislev is incredible.
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Or, more likely, Ljiljana did some research on the person she was going to be working with. And found out that Mathilde does shoot/stab things and doesn't just go around sneaking (notably, she mentioned Mathilde's reputation being about fighting rather than sneaking, or in addition too, it can read either way). Meanwhile, I imagine that Mathilde's reputation to the world at large is about grand acts of magic (Vlag, the Eye) or commanding battles (K8P, Drakenhof) rather than about swording good.
 
I doubt we'll be seeing Wulfrik, I see no reason for events to repeat themselves there.

But if his life did take the same route, I'd like to point out that he wasn't exactly challenging Tyrion or Helborg or any of the other top badasses in the setting (because then one of the two would be dead and then they aren't around, but still).

He wasn't going after the top-tier, he was sent after a rung or two below- far as I'm aware, the Chaos gods set his targets. And we did piss them off a decent amount.

That said, again, I doubt he'll become the Wanderer.
 
Mopman43 said:
I doubt we'll be seeing Wulfrik, I see no reason for events to repeat themselves there.

But if his life did take the same route, I'd like to point out that he wasn't exactly challenging Tyrion or Helborg or any of the other top badasses in the setting (because then one of the two would be dead and then they aren't around, but still).

He wasn't going after the top-tier, he was sent after a rung or two below- far as I'm aware, the Chaos gods set his targets. And we did piss them off a decent amount.

That said, again, I doubt he'll become the Wanderer.
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He picks his own targets, canonically. And I'm pretty sure he was killing unnamed warriors because all the named ones tend to live behind giant armies he'd have to get past first. Or he could be working his way up, his motivations for not challenging the named characters were never made clear.
 
deathofrats0808 said:
all the named ones tend to live behind giant armies he'd have to get past first
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He's killed kings, I'd assume they also have armies.

deathofrats0808 said:
He picks his own targets, canonically.
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I'm just reading his wiki page, but it looks to me like the CG send thoughts in his head about where to head and who to fight.
Even as he began burning the Kurgan's toes from his feet, the Shaman was incapable of telling the Champion where the thoughts were coming from, nor how to make them stop.[2c]​

The first test was to hunt down the Tomb Lord Khareops and offer up its shrivelled entrails to Nurgle, the God of Decay.
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I don't see how that would make sense otherwise.
 
I don't really think there was anything we did that would butterfly Wulfrik away, but if you are saying that he isn't even Worldwalker yet, then thats that.
 
pucflek said:
I don't really think there was anything we did that would butterfly Wulfrik away, but if you are saying that he isn't even Worldwalker yet, then thats that.
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It's not that something we did personally would butterfly it, it's that the events of his life that led him to become the Worldwalker were a matter of luck and circumstance and there's no reason for them to repeat.
 
pucflek said:
I don't really think there was anything we did that would butterfly Wulfrik away, but if you are saying that he isn't even Worldwalker yet, then thats that.
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Though Ranald has used some of his Take from Gork & Mork to get the Empress in place, he has not used everything there.

One of the many many people Wulfrik killed on his way sent a desperate prayer to Ranald and ended up slipping on wet ground.
Instead of getting impaled by Wulfrik, he quite literally slipped below his blade and gutted him instead.

Muddy, but alive :V
 
Fayhem said:
wizards of Magic 3 (Magic 6, in the quest system) which is perfectly within range for Magisters. Of whom there are hundreds.
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Reminder that an Elector Count requesting aid against necromancers could only get a half dozen at all because the Amethyst Patriarch had a personal agenda. And they promptly went AWOL on Said agenda instead of doing what he needed.

Good luck getting that much for money and unspecified rare books most of them cannot read. Most Magisters are gainfully occupied on their own projects which can be difficult to pry them away from.
 
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