Not that Mathilde has heard of. Needing to be Valayan-equivalent-of-baptized to not petrify kind of leaves an impression. But there's probably been some.
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Not that Mathilde has heard of. Needing to be Valayan-equivalent-of-baptized to not petrify kind of leaves an impression. But there's probably been some.
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That settles it than. The Beastmen are Dwarves.
The process of sucking in Chaos energy...Morghur's reincarnation schtick is because his spirit is...odd. It's big, boundless, it escapes the confines of his mortal shell. This thing that Dum did was a perversion of the Runes of Valaya and the Waystone Network, which Dum has super secret knowledge of as Borek showed. The Rune of Valaya is essential to their survival. They CANNOT survive the storms of Chaos without them. That's why they haven't left the vicinity of the mountain, the forest born from magical energies, this perversion is the same thing, the mountain, the runes, or just the magical energies are all that allow them to stay, they can't leave. They might well be using their own bodies as insulators.
Morghur must have been drawn in with the rest of the Chaos energies after he was last killed, and incarnated as a Dwarf fetus...that's why Borek wasn't transmuted, they've found a way to keep the energies locked up more tightly.
I wanna go talk to Morghur.
The process of sucking in Chaos energy...Morghur's reincarnation schtick is because his spirit is...odd. It's big, boundless, it escapes the confines of his mortal shell. This thing that Dum did was a perversion of the Runes of Valaya and the Waystone Network, which Dum has super secret knowledge of as Borek showed. The Rune of Valaya is essential to their survival. They CANNOT survive the storms of Chaos without them. That's why they haven't left the vicinity of the mountain, the forest born from magical energies, this perversion is the same thing, the mountain, the runes, or just the magical energies are all that allow them to stay, they can't leave. They might well be using their own bodies as insulators.
Morghur must have been drawn in with the rest of the Chaos energies after he was last killed, and incarnated as a Dwarf fetus...that's why Borek wasn't transmuted, they've found a way to keep the energies locked up more tightly.
I wanna go talk to Morghur.
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The Phoenixian
The Glacier Witch
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- My own little world
Ironically, with all this melt the sand talk, I can think of non-magical ways to do it, but they require a good engineer. You know, just set up a forge and melt it the traditional way. Question is whether we still have good enough for the experiment.
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- Omniverse #1345
This is a long-term problem. Or a long-term solution. Anything that can tell the chaos wastes to get lost in the depths of the chaos wastes is potentially very useful. But they (probably not accidentally) have exactly the kind of thing that makes figuring it out very very difficult.
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- Missouri
The Sun God which we don't know all that much about, I feel like if this is going to be some type of god it's going to be something big that is going to blow our brains out, like it'd make sense to an extent if its something that is out of left field and is enough for shame on the karak but it'd be something that EVERYONE in the Karak Ankor to freak out over. Worshipping/Striking a bargin with some local divine doesn't, it doesn't feel as distasteful as we're going to be murdered for using this.
I think I can see where this comes in, it has a bit more reasonable slant to it, better than my own wild idea of Grimnir being used as a reagent for a Rune at least.
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- madison
Karnos hates Chaos. Hates 'em.
You know who also worships Karnos? Wood elves.
You know who has tried to bind Morghur to steal his power before? Wood elves.
You know what would bring eternal shame to a Dwarf? Needing the help of...
Wood elves.
It's as plausible as anything else we've come up with.
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You do remember that we have limited food and that this entire region is hazardous to us just by being here right?
We cannot afford to dick around here for too long.
We either get it solved within a day, or it is not getting solved by us.
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- Toronto, Ontario(occasionally)
Tempted to agree, While Morghur might have defenses around himself capable of blocking us I doubt he has defenses of that quality around the Karak.
Not sure whether
Unseen: Unless specifically on the lookout for magical infiltration, active defences are no obstacle to you. +2 Intrigue.
will apply.
Because Beastmen have strong senses of smell, but it worked on Skaven and they do too, so I'd place solid bets on it working.
never mind
Because if it were some other kind I'm actually becoming more inclined to believe the people who said things about burning off the taint of Chaos. In that I think the heat of the desert and the crumbling of the rock is some sort of transfer from some sort of effect that would be acting upon a dwarf(preventing the crumbling of something that was metaphorically stone by transferring the effect to literal stone).
The question then becomes: is this a method of ensuring that Morghur's aura doesn't affect the Dwarves in the Karak/anything around him, such as the forest, or Borek), or is this a method of ensuring that the chaos gods don't affect Morghur(implying that Morghur is somehow a dwarf in one way or another). I'm still betting on the first.
But if this is the case and it's an automatic effect Morghur is less of a threat than he'd be in essentially any other time or place.
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The Phoenixian
The Glacier Witch
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Okay, so that explains the Acorn, but what about the One Armed Skink?Karnos hates Chaos. Hates 'em.
You know who also worships Karnos? Wood elves.
You know who has tried to bind Morghur to steal his power before? Wood elves.
You know what would bring eternal shame to a Dwarf? Needing the help of...
Wood elves.
Ekzentric Lohner
I miss Wildstar...
Ah. I was under the impression that they'd be attacking from sides too far away for easy observation.
This wins then.
It's not magic from any of the four Chaos Gods.
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- Actually pretty lost
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Alright.
Let me say it again.
The Beastmen, are Dwarves.
BOney outright told us we could tell it wasn;t Chaos divine magic.
Let me say it again.
The Beastmen, are Dwarves.
@guyfromtheplace1
BOney outright told us we could tell it wasn;t Chaos divine magic.
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I'm thinking that right now, the Protector option is honestly our best tool. It certainly bears more consideration, but it's an out of context solution to an out of context problem - and the double whammy of visibly killing enemies of Dum + the divine effect might do the trick to get them talking.
Mathilde didn't need specific instruction to spread this around.
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I think our best option is to go home and continue our research instead of risking our lives for nothing but curiosity.
Better we live to get what info we have back to the Karaz Ankor, then to die trying to get a few more tidbits.
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Voikirium
SV's Estalia Guy
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A theory that I'm not sure I buy but feel the need to elucidate:
What if the Dwarfs went full Tevinter Imperium? They tried to re-enter the Glittering Realm to hunt, at the source, for runic power, including by creating new bloodlines that could create runes, which succeeded? But possibly this also had the result of causing Beastmen out the ass, and the weird reality warping nonsense, and so-on and so forth?
At base, this is likely to piss off the dwarfs even if it had worked without side effects; and it had side effects.
But maybe I just have Dragon Age on the mind too much.
What if the Dwarfs went full Tevinter Imperium? They tried to re-enter the Glittering Realm to hunt, at the source, for runic power, including by creating new bloodlines that could create runes, which succeeded? But possibly this also had the result of causing Beastmen out the ass, and the weird reality warping nonsense, and so-on and so forth?
At base, this is likely to piss off the dwarfs even if it had worked without side effects; and it had side effects.
But maybe I just have Dragon Age on the mind too much.
I would imagine they all also know for essentially the same reason Mathilde does.
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Wait if that's true wouldn't that mean that Borek been affected? Or is this them USING the last measure they had and Borek had left before they used it? Rune of Valaya in its conventional form is to shelter and protect right? So an inverted Rune of Valaya would...turn magical shenagins into stone or at least sand?
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- madison
If you twisted dwarfs into beastmen, they would be normal beastmen. They would not need the runes of Valaya to survive. Further, they would be full chaos so the area would be full of dhar and corruption.
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Of course not. He hasn't spent years to centuries here. It's explicitly said that Borek was gone before it fell.
I don't know the exact terminology, but I have been saying that the sand is indicative of an extreme absence of magical energy based on the equatorial deserts that are farthest from the Polar Gates
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- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
I noticed the first time. Using a larger font and bold doesn't make you more convincing.
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- Actually pretty lost
The update literally says that the beastmen bones indicate they were always beastmen, and not transformed.
Ah, right. That post was originally asking if they'd felt anything weird if they did cast anything recently, but I dropped it since we're in the Chaos Wastes and what was left probably fell into manual breathing territory, huh.
It doesn't really seem like it does much useful, if the beastmen are normal beastmen it wouldn't change their behavior, if they aren't would they attack us in the first place?
The fact that Borek returning to them didn't get them to communicate makes me think it's unlikely killing some randos will.
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- Omniverse #1345
But the area is utterly soaked in magic. That's part of why this is such a problem - there is so much magic mathilde can't really make anything specific out.