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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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I have no opinion on the arm thats for the more knowledgable (than me) to argue about

[x] HALL: No
[x] MEAT: Yes
[x] NUT: Yes
[x] PAPERS: Yes
 
Ekzentric Lohner said:
Fucking up Mathilde's mental health on the way to the Chaos Wastes may not be certain suicide, but it is still a non-negligible threat to her survival.
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I very much agree. That's the risk. I think it's worth it on moral grounds and potential opportunity both, but I understand people who disagree.

I'm mostly arguing against the perspective that not going in there is morally better than saving even one slave, even if it's just for our own benefit and we're picking the most useful VIP while leaving everyone else to die. We're leaving them to die either way.
 
Murska said:
A Ranaldite might be able to precommit to planning a rescue instead of having to take action immediately? I don't know for sure.
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At the moment she can think "I will rescue people from the slave market at a later date". Once she looks inside and sees who's currently on sale? Then she has to accept that she can't rescue those people at a later date, because they'll have been sold or sacrificed by the time she comes back.
 
Sir_Travelsalot said:
I'm pointing out how many of them there are that Spellsingers can just bring one of them with them for that purpose when they're out on the road, with the option of using it for a power boost in an unforeseen emergency. As far as we know, the only example of the arm in the lore is the 'Hand of Gods' that Kroq-Gar has.
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Cool, I never mentioned the arm in any of my arguments and am in fact voting to buy it.
 
Thanks for update!

BoneyM said:
"Have you brought any of the following goods to Uzkulak: bound Daemons, precious stones or metals from Nehekhara, any seed, bud, fruit, or cutting from Athel Loren, unshielded warpstone, spherical devices made of brass, Vampire body parts, any item created or possessed by the Skaven Clan Pestilens, gilded skulls made of black bone, anything from the Temple-City of Zlatlan, any mummified bodies of large, frog-like beings, unshielded wyrdstone, any kind of projectile capable of moving on its own, any of Kadon's Scrolls of Binding, golden whistles, instruments stringed with unicorn hair, keys made of crystal, or any sort of stone that glows with a green light?"
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Heh, those boys know their stuff. :)
I bet most of it - from unpleasant experience.

[] HALL: No
I think we have chance to find someone interesting, and maybe even useful/helpful, but I don't think that chance is high enough to be worth all the nasty bits.

[] MEAT: Yes
We have Light wizards, right? Light wizards can cleanse stuff... When they're not too busy with exploding into unquenchable flame, that is.
So, we can make them to sanitize meat. Otherwise, I would've voted against the purchase. Because it's not funny to get sick from the spoiled meat.

[] ARM: No
Don't sure if that's a Qhaysh or somehing else, but I don't really interested in it... I bet we all will wail and cry if we'll chose to not buy it and then Boney will tell us what that been... /sigh/ Well, so be it.
edit: Fine, I been convinced.

[] NUT: Yes
Either for our girfriend, or for the elves with whom we will work for "Waystone project", to get more elf rep.

[] PAPERS: Yes
We already cracked one language, let's repeat and open that "Diplomacy with the Slanns" route!

edit: Vote changed.
 
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Alratan said:
I don't know, I'd be pretty happy to come back with the Night Prowler and do our best to rob them blind. I imagine that the sorcerer prophets that run the place have acquired a pretty decent hoard of magical artifacts over the millennia.

It might be one of the most lucrative places for a stealing spree we can easily reach.
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You are totally right that robbing the chaos dwarves could be lucrative, but I'd worry that we're falling into the 'rob the magic shop' trap by going down that route. For the chaos dwarves to still have a market of this size running, they're gonna be able to protect it against a whole lot more than a grey wizard with a grudge sneaking around.
All it takes is one artifact that detects or traps thieves passing through this place and getting snapped up by the chaos dwarves, and we're in a bit more trouble than we bargained for. That's not counting any exotic effects from hashut. :(
 
Murska said:
I very much agree. That's the risk. I think it's worth it on moral grounds and potential opportunity both, but I understand people who disagree.

I'm mostly arguing against the perspective that not going in there is morally better than saving even one slave, even if it's just for our own benefit and we're picking the most useful VIP while leaving everyone else to die. We're leaving them to die either way.
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Are you arguing to go and try to sabotage the slave market?
Because, no, there is no need for us to go and watch slavery happen for some moral reason.
 
Well there could still be some consequences for turning away from them too, since the coin is activated and Ranald has strong opinions on freedom and oppression. I think Mathilda has a high chance of feeling like a piece of shit either way.
 
kingreaper said:
At the moment she can think "I will rescue people from the slave market at a later date". Once she looks inside and sees who's currently on sale? Then she has to accept that she can't rescue those people at a later date, because they'll have been sold or sacrificed by the time she comes back.
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True. But not looking is then lying to ourselves, which I dislike on principle.
 
picklepikkl said:
We have a Ghyran user back home we can research it with and who might come up with cool applications for it. We don't even know where to start with the arm -- if it is what the thread thinks it is, it shoots Hysh at people, and in any event it's a magical prosthetic and not a gauntlet, so it requires an amputee to be used.

My thinking is that the barrier to researching the arm is higher than the seed and the potential use-value is lower.
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Like what? What cool applications can you foresee from the acorn? It's a magical acorn filled with life energy, but Pan is already capable of pulling absolute shit tonnes of Ghyran out of the waystone in K8P so it's not going to give her greater throughput the obvious is that you'll grow some magical variety of tree with it. Outside of that it's going to take a while for any one to learn anything about it and unlike the Arm we don't have wizards on staff that can shortcut the identification and research process.

The last time there was a potential research option Pan ignored it for years until Mathilde worked on the project with her, I see this going exactly the same way and scrounging up the AP to research it won't be trivial at least with the arm we use our employee half action to work on it. A duckling action might suffice to get Pan to research the acorn but I don't see that having the same level of utility because she can't cheat like our gold boys can.

NavySeel said:
You're being just as disingenuous, the acorn is utterly packed with magic, and has an insane amount of power if it is what we think it is.
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Nah. Being packed with magic doesn't mean it has any utility on the journey or for that matter that it's going to be helpful in the future. Having a lot of power doesn't mean it's useable.
 
If it is somehow an acorn from the oak of ages, wood elves would be very very unhappy if it showed up at Karaks eight peaks. Buy the food and leave is what I think.
 
Murska said:
True. But not looking is then lying to ourselves, which I dislike on principle.
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It's not lying to ourselves, it's choosing not to focus on the negative and cause ourselves avoidable mental anguish.

Right now you are discussing a piece of web fiction rather than watching horrible videos showing the conditions of people in wartorn countries and those entrapped by human trafficking. And that's not something to feel guilty about - you're a human, just like the rest of us, and so is Mathilde.
 
Phalfpipe said:
Well there could still be some consequences for turning away from them too, since the coin is activated and Ranald has strong opinions on freedom and oppression. I think Mathilda has a high chance of feeling like a piece of shit either way.
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BoneyM has stated that going in and not doing anything will mess up Mathilde mentally.
going in and doing nothing, and not going in, are not going to be in the same ball park.
 
[x] MEAT: Yes
[x] ARM: Yes
[x] NUT: Yes
[x] PAPERS: Yes

I'm avoiding the Hall vote just because what I really want to do is stupid as fuck, but can't bring myself to actually choose to walk away. So, just gonna leave it to everyone else.
 
It's a shame to see so many people vote not to the Nut.

SuperSonicSound said:
Like what? What cool applications can you foresee from the acorn? It's a magical acorn filled with life energy, but Pan is already capable of pulling absolute shit tonnes of Ghyran out of the waystone in K8P so it's not going to give her greater throughput the obvious is that you'll grow some magical variety of tree with it. Outside of that it's going to take a while for any one to learn anything about it and unlike the Arm we don't have wizards on staff that can shortcut the identification and research process.
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Well, for one a giant magical tree is never a bad thing to have in your backyard. Like, if you harvest a waystone for materials I suspect more than one dwarf might get cross with you.
 
WinterLantern said:
If it is somehow an acorn from the oak of ages, wood elves would be very very unhappy if it showed up at Karaks eight peaks. Buy the food and leave is what I think.
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The Wood Elves will both never know about it due to K8P not having any forests nearby, and be unable to do anything about it if they did for the same reason. Their tricks are all tied up in summoning forest spirits etc.
 
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