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Yeah, that was the whole point of my post, we only have top tier as far as currently available stuff is concerned as I said
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Yeah, that was the whole point of my post, we only have top tier as far as currently available stuff is concerned as I said
WHRP's PCs tend to be on the lower level - the rules don't reflect Legendary Lords and Heroes and epic artefacts but the average to above average adventurer. Mathilde is the uber-powerful quest giving NPC who told the party to go get a dragon bone - she's trending towards tabletop lord level not WHRP character.
Also our stuff is certainly top tier. It isn't god tier (except for the Coin) or unique ancient hero tier (like stuff made by Alaric the Mad would be) but it is the absolute best that can be created in this era.
1 god tier artefact + top tier equipment for everything else is about as good as it gets for an empire wizard. The only people who have more are the absolute world class uber-tier who also tend to be hundreds or thousands of years old and heads of state in their own right.
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Finally catched up with the quest! Encountered it two years ago when it was on hiatus already, checked it out of boredom this month, expecting nothing, and was greatly surprised that thread wasn't permanently abandoned, but has grown into 7k+ pages. Hope that QM will be successful in sorting out his real life further!
Also was somewhat wary because of those warning about "votes and consequences", thought initially that Mathilde got corrupted or was Grudged and/or declared traitor of the Empire because of some voter fuckup, until read enough of what happened in the quest, heh.
Also was somewhat wary because of those warning about "votes and consequences", thought initially that Mathilde got corrupted or was Grudged and/or declared traitor of the Empire because of some voter fuckup, until read enough of what happened in the quest, heh.
I think most of our stuff is top tier. but on the lower bracket of that tier. (if that makes sense.)
the Coin is EX-Tier: the most powerful of what we have: unless I'm forgetting something its Ranalds version of the Grail or Gal Marz and khaine sword etc. not... as wow as them, but its still the most powerful artefact of a god.
Branulhune is S-tier: in the same tier as the Runeblades, Sword of Couronne, Fearfrost etc. but if you compare it to its peers it falls kind of short. that doesn't undermine Branulhume, its just that its peers are nasty. but the fact that it can be compared to those monsters shows how strong it is.
The Staff is Upper-A tier: super cool, but not a legendary tier.
The belt is Lower-S: only human wizards would really, really want it over something like a ward save belt, but they would kill each other for it if the 'no dhar' thing gets out.
The Flask and candle are upper A: battle magic, but not a truly unique thing, just hard to get.
Robes are B-tier : not battle magic, just a simple spell done well.
the Coin is EX-Tier: the most powerful of what we have: unless I'm forgetting something its Ranalds version of the Grail or Gal Marz and khaine sword etc. not... as wow as them, but its still the most powerful artefact of a god.
Branulhune is S-tier: in the same tier as the Runeblades, Sword of Couronne, Fearfrost etc. but if you compare it to its peers it falls kind of short. that doesn't undermine Branulhume, its just that its peers are nasty. but the fact that it can be compared to those monsters shows how strong it is.
The Staff is Upper-A tier: super cool, but not a legendary tier.
The belt is Lower-S: only human wizards would really, really want it over something like a ward save belt, but they would kill each other for it if the 'no dhar' thing gets out.
The Flask and candle are upper A: battle magic, but not a truly unique thing, just hard to get.
Robes are B-tier : not battle magic, just a simple spell done well.
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Mathilde just happened to end up up in a situation where she could get a particularly large amount of high-end gear commissioned - most people aren't Wizards, most Wizards don't spend 30+ points of accumulated goodwill in the Colleges on Magic Items, most of those Wizards don't have natural talents in enchanting that let them make exceptional armor and staffs, and none of those Wizards also have the kind of dwarven pull needed to get Kragg the Grimm to make them gear, nor are given a Divine Artefact by their god.
So in that sense Mathilde being in the top 0.001% in setting for magic bling is perfectly justified, but it does mean that we should not expect to see her "loadout" improve... basically ever. Barring an update to the armor, I fully expect Mathilde to be rocking basically the exact same kit 50 in-game years from now.
So in that sense Mathilde being in the top 0.001% in setting for magic bling is perfectly justified, but it does mean that we should not expect to see her "loadout" improve... basically ever. Barring an update to the armor, I fully expect Mathilde to be rocking basically the exact same kit 50 in-game years from now.
You want the real feat of martial might? The undeniable proof that Mathy is five feet of pure badass?
The time she stood alone over Abelhelm's broken body as an army tried to drown them. No cannon-ball sword. No Seed or Belt. No killing shadow. Just a little girl and a hunk of sharpened metal as long as she was tall, holding off an unending legion of undead monsters.
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Granted, she did pick up the Runefang, but ignoring armour saves matters not much against random skeletons.
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Five feet including her boots.
Also the "hunk of metal" she had at the time was a Runefang, which in that situation was as good as the Cannonball sword.
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Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
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The way the scene is written certainly seems to disagree, seeing as it says the Runefang allows her to actually cut the skeletons, rather than simply bashing them with a sharpened club. The Runefangs essentially have the ability to just cut through anything, they're really useful, not matter what you're fighting.
Six with her hat.
She only got the Runefant part-way through. For most of the fight she used her mundane greatsword.
Five and a half - witch hunter hats are wide brimmed rather than pointy.
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Its is not as wow as them, but it is arguably more useful.
3 of its effects are autosucceed of widespread applicability, and the last is... well, an extremely high bonus to literally anything, even though we much choose one thing, it is literally a save vs every possible fail state of an action, or barring that, a win more in actions when winning more is a huge investment for the future.
The Robe should be named "The Robe of Can't be arsed to cast this right now".
Honestly, we created it for its stamina effect, and it is very useful for that even if it does give us a variable with a minimum of 5 minutes. Chaincasting to get 5 minutes of stamina is gambling our life.
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We can still get our pistols enchanted or runed and switch out the grounding rod for a different activated items.
it's not like we'll ever need the grounding rod given our conservative spell usage.
Huh... Mathilde standing less than 5 feets tall? Tiny-like. Nice but tiny.
While not terribly important, it is interesting. Regional and situational differences obviously exists, this is still primarily WHRP 2ed quest so great majority of empire population would fall within system-based limits. And going by that:
- Mathilde at 149-150cm is less than minimum height of human women (152cm). Mathy is exceptionally smol.
- Mathilde stands equal to tallest dwarven women.
- Mathilde is shorter than majority of dwarven men (average 156cm)
- Mathilde would barely reach chest of an male elf (average 182cm)
Petite badass indeed.
While not terribly important, it is interesting. Regional and situational differences obviously exists, this is still primarily WHRP 2ed quest so great majority of empire population would fall within system-based limits. And going by that:
- Mathilde at 149-150cm is less than minimum height of human women (152cm). Mathy is exceptionally smol.
- Mathilde stands equal to tallest dwarven women.
- Mathilde is shorter than majority of dwarven men (average 156cm)
- Mathilde would barely reach chest of an male elf (average 182cm)
Petite badass indeed.
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can't we go final fantasy and have a lot of runic belts? or even better a dress of runic belts.
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- Russia
You forgot the Seed, which is easily upper A-tier if not lower-S - rechargeable healing/resurrection is hell of a thing. Candle, on the other hand, is not BM and a bit awkward to use - I would say low B at most and most likely C. And I wouldn't say that Branulhune falls short of a Runefang - while S10 is slightly worse than auto-wound, the disappearing shenanigans easily make up for it if you put some work in mastering them.
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I would put Branulhune above runefangs. Runefang does one things well. Branulhune have multiple traits that synergize with each other and with skill of user. If used properly, result would be far above whan runefang.
For example, canonbal hit compared to ignoring armor is not a disadvantage - it's opportunity. I.e.: parry extra-heavy weapons of trolls by hitting them with flat of a blade. Combined with flicker, it's extremely valuable way to survive the battle, when the same trolls would pulp runefang wielder into the ground.
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Also a Runefang doesn't really double as a (limited/zero range) siege weapon in quite as many circumstances.
Nor does a Runefang debuff anyone who survives the first hit.
Nor does a Runefang return to your hand when an lightning-quick elder Vampire has disemboweled you.
Nor does a Runefang debuff anyone who survives the first hit.
Nor does a Runefang return to your hand when an lightning-quick elder Vampire has disemboweled you.
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Yeah, but... all considered, it may be very handy/useful, but it wasn't that expensive, I imagine it has to get compared with much more superhealy items.
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I think you're mistaken here; the WHFRP 2E book says dwarfs are 4'2"/4'4" (female/male respectively) + 1d10 inches, so the average dwarf man is shorter than she is by about 2-3 inches.
...I'd been assuming, until I looked this up, that dwarfs were at least half a foot shorter than that. I don't think Mathilde has ever encountered a dwarf taller than she is in the quest, which she should have by now.
It depends on region where core book was printed, I think. The book I have sets all heights in centimeters. Dwarven men are 145+2d10cm, which averages to 156cm.
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- Canada
Given there was a specific trait for being so short that Mathilde would be comparable to a Dwarf or Halfing, and it wasn't taken I don't think she's supposed to be shorter than Dwarven men
There's also other moments that reinforce this like the fact she needs to duck through dwarven doors and passageways
She's short, but she's always been treated as taller than any dwarf we've met
I can think of all sorts of things that we could do to change history sooner or later with it. Like every time there are major Skaven/Dwarf conflicts, spread lies that cause the Skaven to start screwing themselves over at the worst possible time for them.