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I'm not optimistic on magesight helping much.

We can find metal, that will be full of Chamon of course.
The pieces closest to the explosion will have traces of Ashqy, but again we can't tell ship-parts from the weapon used that way.
I don't think this kind of indirect killing will attach much Shyish to the objects in question.
 
[X] Scour the river banks for anything the bandits left behind
[X] Scout for any approaching greenskin forces
[X] Despite the risk to yourself, attempt to save any Dwarves left in the ship

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[X] Use your spare Power Stone to save any Dwarves left in the ship
 
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[X] Scour the river banks for anything the bandits left behind

Think there is a bit of a misconception going around: The monitor was not alone. It was part of a convoy, the rest of which is currently beached on the riverbank. Those other ships would have been retaliating against musket fire almost immediately, as they are armed with canons and travelling through greenskin infested territory. The 'bandits' may well have stuck around until they started taking casualties.
 
I'm not optimistic on magesight helping much.

We can find metal, that will be full of Chamon of course.
The pieces closest to the explosion will have traces of Ashqy, but again we can't tell ship-parts from the weapon used that way.
I don't think this kind of indirect killing will attach much Shyish to the objects in question.

To be honest neither am I but given Mathilde's state I don't trust her to go out in the dark looking for enemies, especially if there's a mage involved. She needs backup and that menas sticking close to the dwarfs.
 
Forgot about that. I'll say a one hour moratorium to allow for any novel rescue ideas to arise.
Selective Intangibility
Do dwarves have morse code of some sort?

Mathilde could tap on the rooms to see if anyone reacts and if so tap out "Rescue, K8P Loremaster Zhuf. turn off the lights or I will die"

Also, can she take an airtight "bladder" filled with air down with her under the effects of Substance of Shadow? Assuming there is something on hand to fill that function of course.
[X] Scour the river banks for anything the bandits left behind
 
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Selective Intangibility
Do dwarves have morse code of some sort?

Mathilde could tap on the rooms to see if anyone reacts and if so tap out "Rescue, K8P Loremaster Zhuf. turn off the lights or I will die"

Also, can she take an airtight "bladder" filled with air down with her under the effects of Substance of Shadow? Assuming there is something on hand to fill that function of course.

It's bene asked before, they have morse code but the people in the ship, mostly metalsmiths, don't know it.
 
but it's still something you've been meaning to correct with when you had a spare moment.
remove "with"?
That could breach the compartment. Something materializing inside something else is often as bad for the something else as it is for the something.
I don't understand this argument. If you are trying to enter a room for rescue (as in the update), these are the two events: 1) Mathilde tries to enter it. 2) Mathilde pushes a stick in to check if there is light.

In both scenarios, the room risks breaching if there is light. 1) Mathilde breaches the room by merging her own body with the door. 2) The stick breaches the room by being merged. I do not see any scenario in which 2) is worse than 1). Alternative 2 tends to lead to a smaller breach since the stick is smaller than Mathilde, it also has less risk of death for her.

The only scenario in which using the stick might be bad is if Mathilde refused to risk herself at all. In that case, the alternatives would be 1) Using the stick. and 2) Not attempting to enter at all. That is not what happened, though.

The Bandits are 100%, absolutely positive, a patsy. They almost certainly have no idea who they're working for, and probably don't even know who they were attacking.

Chasing them is a waste of time at best, and getting led by the nose at worst. They are a red herring that has no real way of escaping in the long run.
And you're acting like the one who 'Put them up to this' wasn't also a patsy.

Like in order to hire someone, you have to show up in your real persona, as the actual person who wants it done.

This is Big deep play here, if it's Marienberg--we'd need to chase several layers of proxies to get to the bottom of this because they do not want the Karaz Ankor to have an official Causus Belli on them. The other factions have actual magic that can make them functionally untraceable, which kills the trail there too.
Assuming that whoever ordered this was smart and connected enough to use several layers of proxies… I still don't see how chasing them is a red herring unless you mean "catching the outermost layer and then immediately giving up."

If you want to unravel several layers of proxies, going from one proxy to the next is the obvious way. Indeed, the simple confirmation that there are people who have hired the "bandits" (and what those exact orders were) would be a boon. Similarly, finding out whether the mine was magical/mechanical or both would similarly tell us more about who might have organized this.

Ideally, Mathilde would chase down whoever hired the attackers, find out who hired them, find out who hired them, find out who hired them, etc etc until she found the real culprits.
 
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Not a big fan of a 1 in 100 roll ending the quest when this community probably could've figured out a way to safely check out the compartment if given a chance.

Mathilde did not have a 24-hour voting period to bounce ideas off a QM. Mathilde was holding her breath in pitch darkness and hearing the hammering of hundreds of desperate souls, so she acted.

The thread voted to send Mathilde into a dangerous situation, so there was danger in that situation.

If someone responds could we push through a pocket sized wood carved note that tell them to put out lights and knock in a pattern when done?

Not without endangering the structural integrity of the door. Substance of Shadow reacts unpredictably and often explosively when it causes two objects to try to occupy the same space.

Selective Intangibility
Do dwarves have morse code of some sort?

None known to the Dwarves that need rescuing.

Also, can she take an airtight "bladder" filled with air down with her under the effects of Substance of Shadow? Assuming there is something on hand to fill that function of course.

I can't think of anything she'd have at hand that would be suitable.

I don't understand this argument. If you are trying to enter a room for rescue (as in the update), these are the two events: 1) Mathilde tries to enter it. 2) Mathilde pushes a stick in to check if there is light.

In both scenarios, the room risks breaching if there is light. 1) Mathilde breaches the room by merging her own body with the door. 2) The stick breaches the room by being merged. I do not see any scenario in which 2) is worse than 1). Alternative 2 tends to lead to a smaller breach since the stick is smaller than Mathilde, it also has less risk of death for her.

The only scenario in which using the stick might be bad is if Mathilde refused to risk herself at all. In that case, the alternatives would be 1) Using the stick. and 2) Not attempting to enter at all. That is not what happened, though.

Option 3 is Barak Varr's reinforcements arrive several hours from now and they perform a more mundane rescue.
 
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"Unconfirmed," he says, double checking some hastily-scrawled notes, "but it sounds like a lot. An entire passenger monitor went down while carrying several hundred passengers, perhaps as many as a thousand. My pilot who was escorting the convoy said there was some sort of explosion below the waterline, then musket fire from the shore. And that's not a good river to go down in." You suppress a shudder at the thought. Skull River is named not so much for the bones that litter its banks, but for the skull-shaped markings on the ravenous swarms of predatory fish that fill it.
[X] Scour the river banks for anything the bandits left behind

Given Johnathon capability's and necessary technological needed for a mine.
 
Or wear protective gear.


Occam's razor is useless when we can't even agree on the capabilities of the perpetrators.
Skaven could have done, Chaos Dwarves could have done, Marienburg could have done it, hell, maybe it was the Slann.

If it was skaven, why here? Why now? Why not with more force? Why use only one bomb?
And as i brought up earlier, would fire from skaven weapons look same as imperial/dwarf ones? I don't think it would, but i could be wrong.
We have established that the list of individuals capable of this attack isn't large, and this changes the capability ranges.
Marienburg could do it, but it would take a substantial commitment of skill and resources. Said commitment would be tracable and worthy of special attention. A degree of attention which also would mean they should know who they were hitting, it would not make any sense if they invested so much resources to hitting an ironclad monitor with a sea mine and wind up blasting the wrong target. And the Okral have literally no reason to be involved in the canal, something which the dwarves on their council would have advised.

The Skaven could do it, are known to be previously active in the region, and would benefit from starting up a conflict between the Karaz Ankor and Marienburg, who'd be the first suspect.

The Chaos Dwarves could do it, but its the wrong body of water and they're largely uninvolved in these parts.

The Greenskins, Bretonnia, Border Princes, etc cannot do it.
The Empire could do it, but at a resource cost that largely rules out a Lone Gunman scenario, which would require someone to go against both state religion and national alliances with a powerful organization backing it.

The Vampires could do it but again, nontrivial effort, WHY would they do it other than be evil?
 
Mathilde did not have a 24-hour voting period to bounce ideas off a QM. Mathilde was holding her breath in pitch darkness and hearing the hammering of hundreds of desperate souls, so she acted.

The thread voted to send Mathilde into a dangerous situation, so there was danger in that situation.

Out of interest what did the D100 roll results actually mean individually? I get they determined whether Mathilde suffered moderate to death consequences from miscasting, did the 98 roll mean she suffered no miscasts at all during that portion of the rescue for instance?
 
The Chaos Dwarves could do it, but its the wrong body of water and they're largely uninvolved in these parts.

They're uninvolved as far as we know.

They've shown no issues projecting power in the past, as we've seen with Lady Magister Grey.

If one was embedded in the Okral, they would have all the ability in the world to plant an explosive within.
 
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