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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Getting a romance going is becoming critical, quick! We're at 2 out of 7 fur-babies and accelerating!

[X] Speak honestly of everything not explicitly secret, including rifts within the Karaz Ankor

mmh.. as a godmother how much dwarf-favor can be powered into presents and still be acceptable?
 
Puppies with Johann is something we already do a bunch, and working out together is, I suspect, material for an n>1th date. Also, I think the religious observation is the most interesting option for his character.

[X] There's a festival to Grungni coming up, and Johann has taken to observing the Holy Days of the Ancestor-God. Join him in this.

As for Panoramia, I think that the tower would be the most fun option if she's interested, and otherwise go for the meal. Thankfully, we have write-ins!

[X] If Panoramia would really have fun with it, help her with her tower. Otherwise, just have a nice dinner together.
 
BoneyM said:
The details behind the personal beef with Thorgrim is considered a secret already for the purposes of this vote.
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I meant that there even was a rift between the two to begin with as part of that, to be clear- acting as though we'd been sworn to secrecy on that too. I got the impression that part wasn't included, and only the 'K8P calls for aid' thing was?
 
NSMS said:
I meant that there even was a rift between the two to begin with as part of that, to be clear- acting as though we'd been sworn to secrecy on that too. I got the impression that part wasn't included, and only the 'K8P calls for aid' thing was?
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Bit much to swear an oath of secrecy over something everyone in K8P already knows because of the Okral and the locals sniping at each other.
 
I can't get over the fact that The Empire has been treating the Dawi like they were the US when they're closer to the EU, even if it's not an exact equivalent.
 
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Garlak said:
Actually, how long do wizards live? Human wizards, I mean. Because Dwarfs lives for centuries. Possibly millennia. Whereas the usual human wizard, even a powerful one, is probably lucky to live past a century.
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The current Matriarch of the Amethyst order has been alive for centuries, long before the founding of the colleges. Some of Teclis' original sudents are still around as LM and they are more than two centuries old.
 
[X] Speak honestly of everything not explicitly secret, including rifts within the Karaz Ankor
[X] Though you both use your magic to cheat, you both have an interest in personal fitness. Work out with him.
[X] The Halflings are renowned chefs, and several restaurants have opened clustered around the base of Karag Nar. Share a meal with her.
 
[X] Conceal matters you know the Dwarves would prefer you conceal.
[X] You've got a puppy, he's got several. Easy. Spend time with him as your pup plays with his.
 
Garlak said:
Also another interesting note: it's also a bit of characterization of Mathilde, that she notices all this.

In terms of writing, it's a pretty clear example of "Yeah, Mathilde knows Dwarf stuff."

Because, well, she knows enough Dwarf stuff that she can examine and notice Dwarf fashion just from seeing it.

That... doesn't have anything to do with "What conclusions do we draw from this observation?", as it is instead a comment on the writing and story itself, but. Since we were talking about Ulthar's fashion as a topic anyway, I figured I'd give voice to this thing. Well, we all noticed this of course; that Mathilde noticed this stuff. But it's still neat to comment on?
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And chances are good she wouldn't be able to do the same with human fashion. She makes the comparison to a vain Altdorf noble, but to me that reads more like a stereotype.

I think it's accurate to say the Mathilde is the 'best' at dwarven diplomacy in the sense that a native speaker is 'best' at their language. But she wouldn't necessarily be able to tell you the whys, which means other experts are actually more useful for talking to the dwarfs. Like how a foreign language professors might not be able to speak as fluidly, but they know about the subtle rules native speakers have no conscious knowledge off.
(And to overextend the metaphor, any weirdness from Mathilde is written off as dialect or accent, while anything nonstandard from someone else is interpreted as an error)
 
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Garlak said:
Because I don't think that we know enough immortal-for-sure human wizards to say "Wizards are ageless by default." Maybe you have some wizards achieve agelessness or a form of immortality. But it is not something to be assumed.

Also? I would super not bet on Mathilde, specifically, living past a century. Because the way we currently act, we'll get ourselves killed within that century. Unless we retire from dangerous stuff, and be mainly a researcher, scholar, and Loremaster of K8P. So even if wizards were ageless somehow, I would still not bet on Mathilde specifically outliving a Dwarf.
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We can solve both the issues of age and violence with the same shot, though, so it is about on the same level as the teleportation tower, funnily enough; only a few actions away, probably, just not actions we're taking. Vampirism is right there.

It's not even environmentally objectionable, given that if vampires leaked Dhar like a sieve it'd be trivial for wizards to spot them.
 
BoneyM said:
Bit much to swear an oath of secrecy over something everyone in K8P already knows because of the Okral and the locals sniping at each other.
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I got the impression that Belegar specifically being pissed at Thorgrim was much less well known, but if the rift's that obvious that just spending a bit of time in the Karak would let you spot it, then:

[X] Speak honestly of everything not explicitly secret, including rifts within the Karaz Ankor

If it's something that's essentially 'common knowledge' on the ground of Karak Eight Peaks, then there's not much point hiding it. If nothing else, at that point it isn't even really a secret- just uncomfortable.
 
[X] Speak honestly of everything not explicitly secret, including rifts within the Karaz Ankor

If Imperial diplomats are sufficiently 'too dumb to live' that they massively fuck up with this knowledge, they are probably 'too dumb to live' enough that they'd cause big problems even without this knowledge. Share the knowledge now, tell Belegar we did so, if it turns out to be a mess then clean up our mess - kill everybody who knows and use the massive hole we put into the Empire's diplomatic corps to promote replacements who aren't total fuckups.

That's what the Grey College is for, right?

[X] There's a festival to Grungni coming up, and Johann has taken to observing the Holy Days of the Ancestor-God. Join him in this.
[X] Though you rarely think of those days, you did grow up on a farm and know something of the soil. Spend time with her as she goes about her work.

Good relationships are about putting in work to live with another person. If we can't live with doing stuff that our prospective partner is into doing occasionally (even if we aren't), we demonstrably aren't willing to put in the work (at least occasionally) and as such have no real business pursing a serious relationship.
 
[X] Speak honestly of everything not explicitly secret, including rifts within the Karaz Ankor

[X] There's a festival to Grungni coming up, and Johann has taken to observing the Holy Days of the Ancestor-God. Join him in this.

[X] The Halflings are renowned chefs, and several restaurants have opened clustered around the base of Karag Nar. Share a meal with her.
 
Garlak said:
Actually, how long do wizards live? Human wizards, I mean. Because Dwarfs lives for centuries. Possibly millennia. Whereas the usual human wizard, even a powerful one, is probably lucky to live past a century.

Or are we functioning on, as chocolote12 put it, "Well, you see, it was mentioned once as a potential option, so we practically have it already" logic where "Well you see, it was mentioned that Gold Wizards turn themselves into Gold once, so therefore this means Golds have immortality for sure (rather than a rumor or assumption about it) and therefore all wizards are expected to be immortal" "Lots of posters have talked about this Gold Wizard thing, over many years and many threads of warhammer fantasy, so it's practically accepted knowledge now."
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How many ageless human wizards do we actually know?

Because I don't think that we know enough immortal-for-sure human wizards to say "Wizards are ageless by default." Maybe you have some wizards achieve agelessness or a form of immortality. But it is not something to be assumed.

Also? I would super not bet on Mathilde, specifically, living past a century. Because the way we currently act, we'll get ourselves killed within that century. Unless we retire from dangerous stuff, and be mainly a researcher, scholar, and Loremaster of K8P. So even if wizards were ageless somehow, I would still not bet on Mathilde specifically outliving a Dwarf.
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Whilst immortality would be extremely rare, I recall a WOG that powerful wizards do tend to have their lifespans significantly extended. I don't recall how long that was, but I think it might have been around the 150 years mark?
 
Asheram said:
I will point out this.

There's precedent on keeping diplomatic things away from the Emperor and his subjects when it comes to things that can be directly harmful in intervening in.
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That was explicitly an internal matter, versus this which is external. That's a big difference.

Probably the tell, but advise caution is the better option.
 
[X] Speak honestly of everything not explicitly secret, including rifts within the Karaz Ankor
[X] You've got a puppy, he's got several. Easy. Spend time with him as your pup plays with his.
[X] The Halflings are renowned chefs, and several restaurants have opened clustered around the base of Karag Nar. Share a meal with her.
 
IronFist said:
Metallic body paint is probably toxic at this tech level, and working out with form fitting chainmail would both be incredibly uncomfortable and prevent any displays of flexibility :V
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Clearly we need cloth-of-gold work out tracksuit. I'm sure we can put it on our Loremaster billing account :V

[X] Speak honestly of everything not explicitly secret, including rifts within the Karaz Ankor
[X] There's a festival to Grungni coming up, and Johann has taken to observing the Holy Days of the Ancestor-God. Join him in this.
[X] Panoramia currently calls a small cottage somewhere in the Eastern Valley home, help her expand it into a proper tower.
 
DragonParadox said:
The dwarfs political situation is indeed not static, but it evolves very slowly by human standards. the current high king has bene in power for two hundred years, crowned competently with Magnus the Pious.
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While it is true that the Dwarf political situation usually evolves more slowly than the human one that is not always the case. As seen with the very situation of Karak 8 peaks. It is possible (if Thorgrimm and Belegar have a face to face meeting/argument ahead of the waystone project) that this may be resolved in the relatively near future anyway.

It is also worth noting that if the tension between Belegar goes on for anything like the sort of time period you are espousing (where eventually someone will be replaced by someone less competent) it will become obvious enough to be found out from conversation with individual dwarves who aren't in the high halls of power.

Indeed some of that tension is already bleeding into the population of Karak 8 peaks at large due to the attitude of the experts that Throgrimm sent. So I'd rather he hear it from us than go blundering about into the situation based on rumours and hearsay or even sheer blind ignorance.
 
BoneyM said:
Bit much to swear an oath of secrecy over something everyone in K8P already knows because of the Okral and the locals sniping at each other.
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Yeah, if everybody in K8P knows it then it's not that big a deal and is kinda hard to justify keeping secret - any vaguely Empire-leaning Undumgi could fill them in eventually, as could merchants who stopped over for more than a night or so.
 
DragonParadox said:
Well there is the issue of murder and cannibalism which are usually the consequences of becoming a vampire. :V
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Well, I figure if you're around to forgive yourself for murdering yourself then it's generally okay, and the cannibalism is only a temporary measure. The ritual starts with the embrace, but we're not actually finished until we eat a dragon and fix up that deficiency.

(We happen to have a dragon-dispenser, by the way. Just saying. :V )
 
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Still behind a few pages, but doing a write-in, because even assuming that the Chancellor is better at Diplomacy in general than Mathilde, which isn't too hard, she does have insights into Dawi culture that he probably does not.
[x] Do not speak of explicit dwarven secrets; and concerning matters that are "just" sensitive, explain how abuse of this knowledge could hurt both the Empire and the Karaz Ankor.
[x] Speak honestly of everything not explicitly secret, including rifts within the Karaz Ankor

[x] You've got a puppy, he's got several. Easy. Spend time with him as your pup plays with his.
[x] The Halflings are renowned chefs, and several restaurants have opened clustered around the base of Karag Nar. Share a meal with her.

Edit: adding the default vote that is closest to what I want.
 
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