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This vampire discussion feels like it's starting to derail. Perhaps bring it back to something more related to this quest?

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I get that we're on a bit of a break, I really do, but I can't agree more with this.

So, in the interest of moving things in a different direction, I learned a new word today, subreption. It even shows up in red in my spellchecker! What an interesting way to title it.
 
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I get that we're on a bit of a break, I really do, but I can't agree more with this.

So, in the interest of moving things in a different direction, I learned a new word today, subreption. It even shows up in red in my spellchecker! What an interesting way to title it.
That is indeed rather interesting. Does that include wares or is it limited to favors? I can't find any reference to what a 'favor' would include.
Edit: I'm once more cursing my past self for not taking Latin classes. Etymology is interesting stuff.
 
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The Eye of Gazul is just a weapon enhanced with the Rune of Gazul. Do you guys really think no one in the Cult of Gazul ever stuck a sword with that rune into the vampire?
They probably have not actually. I don't think the Rune of Gazul is a weapon runs so it cannot be put on a sword. I believe it is only weaponized here due to the rune being on the mountain that is turned into a weapon with burning shadows. So the Rune of Gazul may have never been tried in a vampire before.
 
I'd expect the existence and whereabouts of the Silver Pinnacle aren't exactly the most common knowledge either.

(Hell, out-of-universe it's not clear where it is- I've seen it placed differently on multiple maps)
People visit it though. Traders, adventurers. I suspect it's about as well known as any abandoned Dwarf Hold, so you can find where it is if you go looking, but it's not somewhere everyone can point out.

Out of universe, it's in the northern World's Edge Mountains, up by Kislev.
 
People visit it though. Traders, adventurers. I suspect it's about as well known as any abandoned Dwarf Hold, so you can find where it is if you go looking, but it's not somewhere everyone can point out.

Out of universe, it's in the northern World's Edge Mountains, up by Kislev.
Unless you go by the Neferata Time of Legends book. Then it is somewhere in the southern half of the World's Edge Mountains since it had direct trade with Strigos. :V

I wouldn't take that too literally though, more sources agree that it is in the north like you say. Though most I've seen put it nearer Ostermark then Kislev.
 
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Unless you go by the Neferata Time of Legends book. Then it is somewhere in the southern half of the World's Edge Mountains since it had direct trade with Strigos. :V

I wouldn't take that too literally though, more sources agree that it is in the north like you say. Though most I've seen put it nearer Ostermark then Kislev.
You can directly trade with someone even if you're not near them. The Empire trades with Ulthuan and Cathay after all. And putting the Silver Pinnacle near Strigos really doesn't make any sense. Apart from anything else, half the reason the Vampires left Nehekhara was fear of Nagash, and Strigos was within spitting distance of both Cripple Peak and the Black Pyramid. Who wrote that?

Eh, Ostermark and Kislev share a border, so it could be either. The map I'm working off has the exact part of the Old World it borders obscured, so I just used my best estimate.
 
Just finally caught up with this story. I have a lot of thoughts on it. Ones I'd like to get written down eventually. But overall I really enjoyed this quest.

But good lord, nearly a hundred pages between each vote! Trying to imagine this back in SB old 20 page limit fills me with dread.
 
Just finally caught up with this story. I have a lot of thoughts on it. Ones I'd like to get written down eventually. But overall I really enjoyed this quest.

But good lord, nearly a hundred pages between each vote! Trying to imagine this back in SB old 20 page limit fills me with dread.
Welcome to the present! And yeah it's one hell of a quest alright.

Also the current vote is currently ongoing so don't forget to vote.
 
Oh yeah

[X] Magister Johann

He is pretty cool. I'd vote for the dragon rider as well. But more of a distant crush thing than an actual route.

Either way, I hope the thread eventually cashes in on that elf favor. I've built a Nagarythe army yeeeearrrrssss ago. So they got a special place in warhammer for me.
 
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I'd vote for the dragon rider as well. But more of a distant crush thing than an actual route.
Approval voting is allowed.
Since this vote doesn't decide which one single character she is going to have a crush on, let alone start a successful relationship with, you could vote for both Johann and the dragon rider.
The dragon rider is currently low enough that under certain circumstances it might just work out towards distant crush that isn't acted upon.

And before anyone accuses me of influencing the new guy, I'm definitely not voting for Asarnil. Mine are Johann, Panoramia, Francesco and Oswald. Humans all around.
 
Welcome to the thread, @MiracleGrow!

Heads-up: as Rafin pointed out, approval voting is allowed (I'm voting for three candidates myself), and also Johann's name is spelled with two Ns.
 
I mean, there probably is a Magister Johan out there somewhere who's also very sweet.

It technically wouldn't even violate the One Steve Limit.
Johan was the carter who took the ledgers out to the burial mounds way back in Season One:
And then, at long, long last, you have it. Just under a year before the previous Elector Count's death. Six cartloads over two days, each of them after dark, each of them exempt from tolls, tariffs and excise by the authority of the Castle, driven by a local carter by the name of - you squint - Jolan? Johan? You think it's Johan. Once more, you round up your Greatswords from where they had gotten off to. Some were down in the cells slowly and thoroughly working the truth out of the poor stablehand, some were following Herr Schultz around in the hope that he'll uncover more undead for them to cheerily bisect with their enormous swords, and the rest were hanging around the kitchens trying to wheedle snacks out of the head cook.

If anything, the Guild of Carters and Coachmen put up even less of a fight than the Watchmen on the Guardhouse. The moment you told them what you were there for, they gave you the address of a licensed freelance cart owner-operator by the name of Johan (you were right!). You head over there immediately before any of his coworkers can tip him off, and that his response to a pair of Greatswords knocking on his door was to climb out a window was a promising sign. Especially since you had three more waiting just around the corner from that window.

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"I didn't know what was happening until it were too late," poor Johan blubbers to you from his position shackled to a bench. You hadn't even had to threaten him, you just sat there looking at him while it sank in for him what was going on, and he had started telling you the entire story. "I thort it was just another job from the castle. They'd bin movin all sortsa furniture and whatnot, redecoratin I think. So I go there with my cart and poor Delilah starts actin all sorts of funny, stampin' and whinnyin' and as I'm tryina calm her down the builders start pilin' all these books into the cart. None of 'em said a word, just pilin' it all in while I'm standin' there tryina calm my horse down. So I thort, okay, that was bad enough, but for what they was payin' I could put up with Delilah sulkin' for a few weeks, but then I take the instructions they gave me back to the guildhall and ask someun to read it for I, and they wanted it taken to a mound halfway to Julbach."

That got your attention. Every child raised in Stirland knew to never, ever, ever go near the burial mounds that dotted the landscape, and the books you read at College agreed - both those concerning magic and those that weren't approved parts of the curriculum. The tribal chieftains from before the coming of Sigmar did not rest soundly in their graves.

"I shoulda dumped the books right there and then, but then I think, the only thing worse than gettin inta business with the sorta folk that want things delivered to those sorta places is tryina get outta business with 'em. So I just did the job. Unloaded the books outside the mound, and when I got back with the next lot the last lot was gorn. Six loads, and Delilah still gets jumpy on dark nights, and until today I thanked Morr every night that that was the worst of it."
It's been more than a decade since our little chat. Maybe he went back to school and got his degree!
 
I've been thinking, while I still would like to finish all the non-battle magic spells in the book before trying to get Lord Magister, I I think just realised something important that we are very, very far behind most other wizards in our weight class.

Rituals, we really don't know much about them.

like, they are big, fuck off, bend reality stuff you expect the super-powerful wizards to do well. e.g Lord Magisters, and I don't think we have done one all quest.
 
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I've been thinking, while I still would like to finish all the non-battle magic spells in the book before trying to get Lord Magister, I I think just realised something important that we are very, very far behind most other wizards in our weight class.

Rituals, we really don't know much about them.

like, they are big, fuck off, bend reality stuff you expect the super-powerful wizards to do well. e.g Lord Magisters, and I don't think we have done one all quest.
Rituals are the sort of thing that can accidentally transport you halfway across the planet without an undo button.
 
Rituals are the sort of thing that can accidentally transport you halfway across the planet without an undo button.
hence why we should know something about it before a band of plucky adventurers come asking us, the great wizard, to help them save the world by performing the 'save the world' Ritual while most of the party protects us from the hordes of minions as the main hero has a dramatic, but possible pointless because of the Ritual, dual with the main bad guy (who is probably his brother/dad/some other relation.

its just common sense.
 
hence why we should know something about it before a band of plucky adventurers come asking us, the great wizard, to help them save the world by performing the 'save the world' Ritual while most of the party protects us from the hordes of minions as the main hero has a dramatic, but possible pointless because of the Ritual, dual with the main bad guy (who is probably his brother/dad/some other relation.

its just common sense.
Can't we just outsource the world saving to a different Wizard and take over the dramatic pointless duelling role instead?

Or even better, have the enemy do a world-ending ritual and us be the Rogue that the audience lost track of and comes to save the day in the last moment when all seems lost. At least we have an actual track record in that skill.
 
hence why we should know something about it before a band of plucky adventurers come asking us, the great wizard, to help them save the world by performing the 'save the world' Ritual while most of the party protects us from the hordes of minions as the main hero has a dramatic, but possible pointless because of the Ritual, dual with the main bad guy (who is probably his brother/dad/some other relation.

its just common sense.
We can help them by giving them an audience by someone who actually knows what they doing and/or putting in a good word for Kragg so he can help.
 
Wooo, I finally caught up. Only just realised Mathilde was from near Wurtbad after reading the character sheet. I had her accent as being Lady Maria's this whole time. I'm looking forward to getting to vote, we still need to beat mortality after all and that's not the sort of thing you do without ending at least one civilisation.

Anyway,

[X] Journeywoman Panoramia

[X] Asarnil the Dragonlord

[X] The Ice Dragon of Karag Zilfin

1. Because the few interactions we got between Panoramia and Mathilde was funny and sweet and now they act like old friends.
Ironically, this is the only one I can really think of where a power imbalance doesn't make it kinds weird. No matter what the DM says, banging someone whose basically your boss is really awkward. It won't last anyway but I think they're already good friends and I want to see more of her. Everyone else is cool but Mathilde going with them would just be either random or mixing business and pleasure, which is going to explode messily.

2. Because unattainable father figure.
It could be a kinda cool, long range, maybe pen-pal thing. He was there when Abelheim bit it and is a similar "father figure" style of interest. Don't lie to yourselves, Von Hal was totally attractive to her because he filled a role she always pines for. Her family abandoned her to the pyre and she chose not to return, the watchmen saved her but she was unable to thank him, her master raised her but she's unable to be fully open with him because of his position in the order and the official nature of their relationship. Abelheim was the first similar figure who was available to her, Asarnil could be the rebound. He's strong, he's older and (most importantly) he's unavailable. Their relationship from her side was somewhat like a student and teacher or cousin and uncle, as Asarnil enjoyed seeing Teclis gambit paying off. What I'm saying is Mathilde has some serious unresolved family (Daddy) issues and Asarnil could be an interesting way to start to resolve them (or let them fester which could actually be more fun).

3. Because Mathilde is lonely.
Okay, hear me out. Mathilde like power, that much is obvious, and she has that Xeno-affinity trait, which makes it at least not implausible. I'm not suggesting a physical attraction but an... appreciation of a superior intellect. Mathilde has made it pretty clear she's a prodigy, where most Magisters her age, or much older, are weaker. She's met few equal's and even fewer superiors and now here's the strongest (non-god) she's ever met. When was the last time she could actually talk to someone about what she's done, or planning, and they didn't look at her with awe/terror. She has a Death Star, has killed everything she's ever fought, advanced the understanding of magic beyond what even the Elves have managed, has enough pull with Eight Peaks to get them to go to war for her, is potentially one of the strongest necromancers in the Old World and is the controller of, arguably, the most powerful mercantile operation in the Empire. She's at the peak of everyone she knows who isn't enshrined in someone else power structure, and even then she has few equals, perhaps none. The Dragon is even stronger than her though and it does it alone, the same as her really. There can be an appreciation there, a yearning for power without expectation to go along with it. Basically, she's been taking the whole "I'm now basically a demi-god of personal and political power" thing really well and I want to know if that was an act or if she's just become so alienated from commoners as to not notice.
 
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