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Not in quest canon. In quest canon, they're very close:
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- Earth
I wonder if Mors still hold there.
And if they have noticed the dwarves behind them yet...
Well, the wiki says that, but Children of the Horned Rat also says:
Skryre succeeded in creating many exciting devices, from the Warprail, connecting one end of the Under-Empire to the other
In addition, Skryre maintains the Warprail, a system of tracks and warp-powered transport cars allowing fast subterranean transport of troops and equipment.
And the Skaven may move even faster soon, for Clan Skryre have perfected their Warpstone-fuelled "warprail engines" and await only the completion of the tracks for the carts to run on before they can place these machines throughout all of the Under-Empire.
2399 Skaven of Clan Skryre begin developing warpfire-powered underground locomotives ("warprails"). Originally used to move mining carts, they are soon adapted for troop transport as well.
Chimeraguard
We do deserve to exist.
Looking at that map, retaking Karak Drazh and obstructing that crossroads east of it looks like it could really mess with Clan Rictus's connections to the rest of the Under-Empire.Thinking of the future value of knowing skaven we might face, it's worth looking at the local map of the Underempire.
There are four major routes leading into the City of Pillars from the Underempire, and there are four tunnels that lead to no known surface features within a couple of hundred miles, which I've marked with green stars. Presumably these once lead to minor dwarf holds, which I'd expect to now be minor skaven warrens. We're also only just over two hundred miles from the major skaven warren underneath what was Karak Azgal, which isn't far if you take the warprailway train. One of those green stars may be Karak Azul, but as Kazador exterminated the local skaven, it's not marked as a major warren...
As a side note, based on the scale, it's about one hundred and seventy five miles from Karak Drazh to Karak Eight Peaks via the Underway, and the orcs don't have trains or super-radios like the skaven do. That means it should take quite a while for orcs to traverse it. I don't know how we can exploit that, but that communications and logistics gap must be something we can work with at some point.
The map contours are also interesting. You can see that Death Pass isn't that far above the level of the Badland all the way to the Dark Lands.
Also, I wonder if we might have options for scouting further into the Underway to find new hunting grounds for the We. It'd be best that K8Ps knows where the closest Skaven settlements are anyway.
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Tbh, what shocks me most about this is that they can maintain the rails.
I'd expect them to get kinda deformed after like 2 or uses, because they're using insane warpstone engines.
And while Skaven logistics working at all has always been an absurdly hard sell, I really can't see them actually managing functioning infrastructure maintenance away from the warrens themselves.
Hmm. Based on that, I think BoneyM may have shrunk the scale of the map by about a hundred-fold. It neatly explains why we can commute to and from Atldorf by gyrocopter so regularly.
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its very likely that Morrs destroyed there rail way as it was a direct connection to there enemy's greatest stronghold and under the complete control of Skryre (who are needed to even run the thing) an enemy clan so that is one less thing to worry about
Well, the wiki cites Children of the Horned Rat page 52 for what i said earlier. Since you seem to have the supplement, could i bother you to look it up as well?
Chimeraguard
We do deserve to exist.
Given that it connected to Skavenblight, I wonder what kind of battles were fought over the Warprail during the civil war. The fighting in Skavenblight took a year to end after all, and access to the Warprail might have been a big factor in the fighting before Mors and Pestilens got thrown out.
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The Great One
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- Everywhere
Queekish currently is our priority. I don't mean this in a sense of importance. I mean that it's our current project and while we can call it finished now, there is no better chance to pick up spoken Queekish. Doing so later will be an uphill battle against other priorities.
Training up wolf would be part of the next turn action. We also have our extra action which we planned on using for researching AV at the same time as we focus on this.
BungieONI
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So something that hasn't been brought up yet is that the Grey College probably has better interrogators than Mathilde and once we hand them the dictionary they are competent enough to learn it themselves from captured prisoners.
Alectai
Speaks Words of Wisdom... On occasion
TBH, the Warprail is probably fucked right now, because that would be the first thing that everyone would sever with the Civil War going on.
SuperSonicSound
Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
Like wise, we can write the Khazalid-queekish dictionary, train wolf in spoken praestantia and then try and push for spoken Queekish. We have the actions to do all of these things.
Disagree, Mathilde has built a Rapport with Qrech handing him over destroys that and burns him as an asset. We;re a turn away potentially from finishing learning spoken queekish lets not be wasteful.
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[X] Both must die.
-[X] Let the Sorcerer's attack play out, then finish off whoever survives.
-[X] Let the Sorcerer's attack play out, then finish off whoever survives.
It says that as well, it seems, even though they're contradictory. Par for the course in Warhammer sources of course. It's a toss up.
How far away is the surviving railhead though, that's the question. Skyre can probably rebuild it along the tunnel - and this is something we really don't want, as facing industrial, first world war style combat isn't something we can survive. We don't want to play the defending French at Verdun to the skaven's attacking Germans. They can lose 160 thousand troops on the assault with more shuipped in over the warprail every day. We can't lose 140 thousand dwarves in defence.
It's also the first thing the loyalist clans would rebuild. Everyone isn't at war with everyone. The loyalists are at war with the traitor clans.
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They don't have a cooperative and sophisticated prisoner who can speak both thier language and another. A prisoner with whom we have been building a rapport for over an year and a half, who would have also just 'seen' us destroy three skaven clans from K8P in less than a day for whatever intimidation/competence bonus that gives us.
That's without even counting the Deceiver.
EDIT: I don't think it's impossible for them to do it, I just think that they might just decide it's not worth thier time. We are the grey college's skaven expert after all.
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BungieONI
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I didn't mention Qrech and did not mean him.
I don't particularly want to hand him over.
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I know you're memeing, but if you weren't, then this would deserve to be challenged imo, because his +20 must have been very significant to us on many occasions.
And, hey do you watch Doctor Who? The episode with Eleven, when he goes to House, who is outside of the universe?
It was called the Doctor's Wife, written by Neil Gaiman, if I may shill even harder
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"You have never been very reliable!"
"And you have?"
"You didn't always take me where I wanted to go!"
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I think learning spoken Queekish is extremely important for us. Mathilde is probably the human most suited to infiltrate Skaven cities thanks to the face of the Night Prowler in combination with Advanced Infiltration. Written documents are useful indeed, but being able to understand the language expands our reportoire extremely and opens up entirely new vistas of information gathering. We might even be able to disguise ourselves as an Eshin operative and build up a network of informants! And information gathering and sabotage will be vital to defend K8P.
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I'd say it makes skaven logistics a lot more understandable, with caveats about massive underground tunnels excluded, as it means that the skaven can run a global trade in bulk commodities like grain or rice, and grow them in regions without forces of order nations present.
I dunno.
It's making a whole lot assorted inconsistencies somewhat more plausible by having you swallow something else that's also utterly ridiculous.
The scale of the dwarf built Underway is already a separate ludicrous thing independent of the warprail.
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Sure, I understand that it's our project. It's just that I'm not sure how important of a project it remains in comparison to all the other things Belegar might want his Loremaster doing in the wake of the reconquest.
(...probably it's not worth investing too much energy into debating this until we actually, you know, reconquest, and have an idea of what sorts of issues might be facing the Karak, since until then we're basically all just speculating wildly.)
I think basically everyone agrees that three of our actions next turn should be rapport with Qrech, training Wolf, and one more AV action. It's the other one, plus the possibility of Overwork, that people are arguing about. But we should keep in mind that nobody is seriously arguing for ditching our responsibilities vis a vis Queekish; it's just a question of relative prioritization when there are a lot of important things competing for our attention.
The problem with this is that our job is Loremaster, not Head Ranger. Going undercover to build spy networks and infiltrate major skaven cities is very unlikely to be our job once we've driven the skaven out of Eight Peaks.
The value of spoken Queekish is low because neither the Empire nor even dwarves have much conflict with the Skaven.
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Yeah stop laughing and instinctively rejecting that statement. It's true. The Empire especially is so far from being at war with the Skaven that it's entirely on the other side, pretending that the Skaven don't exist. Interrogating Skaven prisoners? Nobody in the Empire takes skaven prisoners because no one is fighting the skaven.
The dwarves aren't at pretending they don't exist but most karaks aren't in a position to fight skaven very often. If they were they would have already fallen.
The proof is in the pudding. If there were actually chance to interrogate skaven prisoners on anything other than a once a decade basis, someone would already have learned Queekish.
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Yeah stop laughing and instinctively rejecting that statement. It's true. The Empire especially is so far from being at war with the Skaven that it's entirely on the other side, pretending that the Skaven don't exist. Interrogating Skaven prisoners? Nobody in the Empire takes skaven prisoners because no one is fighting the skaven.
The dwarves aren't at pretending they don't exist but most karaks aren't in a position to fight skaven very often. If they were they would have already fallen.
The proof is in the pudding. If there were actually chance to interrogate skaven prisoners on anything other than a once a decade basis, someone would already have learned Queekish.
chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
I agree about the juice, but this is the first I've seen of any mentioned consensus about Wolf.
Unless they feel like suddenly dropping everything and leading raids to destroy entire warrens of them? Like, just this last year?
The Empire would love to keep tabs on them, and step one of that is giving them the ability to actually do the 'keeping tabs' thing. The better we can spy on the Skaven, the more we can identify times when we'd like to stop worrying and just drop down to hit them where it hurts.
The Conspiracy is very much only there until we can hurt them more through action. The Empire hasn't forgotten they exist, they just don't want the skaven to hit us while they hold all the cards.