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The off/on switch for the K8P nexus is litteraly Belegar's crown, so probably
I was mostly asking about Boney's answer to the question. It was different than I expected it to be because Thorek had negotiated a treaty with Ulthuan on behalf of the High King.

Do we know that in-character?
Yes, the wave of energy was visible and we even know it blew off the Warpstone that was blocking one of the nexuses.
We do not, Boney's talked about it before. To Belegar it's just a runic crown that provides physical buffs. Belegar didn't read the A Tide Turns interlude. He can't see it like the questers can. Mathilde guessed to Belegar that Laurelorn learned of Karak Eight Peaks when he completed the crown. But we know that's wrong, Karak Eight Peaks wasn't reconnected to the network until the crown arrived at Karaz-a-Karak.

Was the warpstone in Kvinn-Wyr blocking the nexus? The only way I can imagine it doing that is if it was in the chamber itself and the description we got of one of them didn't seem to imply that trolls could fit inside. The nexus was inactive because it had gone inert after Vala-Azril-Ungol was abandoned by the dwarves and it reactivated because the crown told it too.

It wasn't exactly subtle.
Yeah, but as Boney has pointed out, we're reading the quest. Belegar's not a quest reader.
 
I was mostly asking about Boney's answer to the question. It was different than I expected it to be because Thorek had negotiated a treaty with Ulthuan on behalf of the High King.
That's a good point, but I suppose it's possible that Thorek did consult the High King before signing the treaty (or negotiating it) to feel out the High King's position on matters, and it just wasn't mentioned in the text.



We do not, Boney's talked about it before. To Belegar it's just a runic crown that provides physical buffs. Belegar didn't read the A Tide Turns interlude. He can't see it like the questers can. Mathilde guessed to Belegar that Laurelorn learned of Karak Eight Peaks when he completed the crown. But we know that's wrong, Karak Eight Peaks wasn't reconnected to the network until the crown arrived at Karaz-a-Karak.

Was the warpstone in Kvinn-Wyr blocking the nexus? The only way I can imagine it doing that is if it was in the chamber itself and the description we got of one of them didn't seem to imply that trolls could fit inside. The nexus was inactive because it had gone inert after Vala-Azril-Ungol was abandoned by the dwarves and it reactivated because the crown told it too.
Sssort of. The nexus was reactivated when Belegar's crown was completed and activated, but it wasn't reconnected to the KAWN until the crown came within range of Everpeak. So the crown did act as the on/off switch for the nexus, but reconnecting it with the KAWN required bringing the activated crown to the Rune of Eternity.

As for the warpstone blocking the nexus, it's not known. It's possible that the warpstone was a byproduct of dhar buildup because the nexus was inactive. It's possible that the warpstone was from an abundance of dhar leftover in the nexus from when it had been deactivated and was leaking out (possibly as a safety valve for the nexus). It's possible it was due to some kind of minor damage to the nexus that would normally not be an issue with the nexus active but was a minor issue when it was inactive. But the fact that the reactivation of the nexus blew off the warpstone and that warpstone did not prevent the reactivation means that it was not blocking the nexus from functioning.

What we do know is that reactivating the nexus--but not reconnecting it to the KAWN--broke off the warpstone and hasn't caused any more warpstone to form since, suggesting that reactivating the nexus has solved the problem. Given that the trolls had been feeding off of the warpstone in a manner implying that it was a semi-renewable resource for them, it the warpstone wasn't just a one-time creation prior to the reactivation. Mathilde and Belegar might know that the warpstone was there before the reactivation and was lying on the ground in a way that suggests it had been blown off by the reactivation afterwards, though.

What's interesting is that the reactivation of the nexus ejected the warpstone buildup rather than absorb it. This might indicate that that function was a designed ability of the nexus, or it could be a side-effect of the nexus' normal function somehow. The reactivation did unleash a burst of energies in each of the mountains that the runelords and even Bok could clearly feel, so it's possible that that burst of energy was simply physically strong enough to break off the warpstone.

Yeah, but as Boney has pointed out, we're reading the quest. Belegar's not a quest reader.
Belegar knows that his crown is directly tied to the function of the nexus/nexuses within Karak Eight Peaks somehow, but he doesn't understand how it works or how to utilize that functionality beyond the fact that inserting all of the sapphires into their slots caused the nexus/nexuses to reactivate. He at least knows that the crown and its sapphires are critically important beyond just the symbolic/cultural/political value, both to Karak Eight Peaks and to the Karaz Ankor as a whole.

As for whether or not Belegar could have theoretically just inserted the sapphires into the crown before setting foot in Karak Eight Peaks and reactivated the nexus that way, it's not known and Boney has implied it's entirely possible that wouldn't have worked even if Belegar had tried it. It is kind of ironic that the energy from the fallen holds might still be pouring into Karaz-a-Karak if they had been designed to stay on even if the hold fell, or if the on/off switch for the nexuses had not relied on the holds being still held by their populations.
 
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We do not, Boney's talked about it before. To Belegar it's just a runic crown that provides physical buffs. Belegar didn't read the A Tide Turns interlude. He can't see it like the questers can. Mathilde guessed to Belegar that Laurelorn learned of Karak Eight Peaks when he completed the crown. But we know that's wrong, Karak Eight Peaks wasn't reconnected to the network until the crown arrived at Karaz-a-Karak.

Yeah, but the point wasn't if Belegar knew his Crown connected to the Throne of Power, it was if Belegar knew if his crown was at all connected to the Eight Karak Nexuses and that much Mathilde did guess per your own words.
 
That's a good point, but I suppose it's possible that Thorek did consult the High King before signing the treaty (or negotiating it) to feel out the High King's position on matters, and it just wasn't mentioned in the text.



Sssort of. The nexus was reactivated when Belegar's crown was completed and activated, but it wasn't reconnected to the KAWN until the crown came within range of Everpeak. So the crown did act as the on/off switch for the nexus, but reconnecting it with the KAWN required bringing the activated crown to the Rune of Eternity.

As for the warpstone blocking the nexus, it's not known. It's possible that the warpstone was a byproduct of dhar buildup because the nexus was inactive. It's possible that the warpstone was from an abundance of dhar leftover in the nexus from when it had been deactivated and was leaking out (possibly as a safety valve for the nexus). It's possible it was due to some kind of minor damage to the nexus that would normally not be an issue with the nexus active but was a minor issue when it was inactive.

What we do know is that reactivating the nexus--but not reconnecting it to the KAWN--broke off the warpstone and hasn't caused any more warpstone to form since, suggesting that reactivating the nexus has solved the problem. Given that the trolls had been feeding off of the warpstone in a manner implying that it was a semi-renewable resource for them, it the warpstone wasn't just a one-time creation prior to the reactivation.

What's interesting is that the reactivation of the nexus ejected the warpstone buildup rather than absorb it. This might indicate that that function was a designed ability of the nexus, or it could be a side-effect of the nexus' normal function somehow. The reactivation did unleash a burst of energies in each of the mountains that the runelords and even Bok could clearly feel, so it's possible that that burst of energy was simply physically strong enough to break off the warpstone.


Belegar knows that his crown is directly tied to the function of the nexus/nexuses within Karak Eight Peaks somehow, but he doesn't understand how it works or how to utilize that functionality beyond the fact that inserting all of the sapphires into their slots caused the nexus/nexuses to reactivate. He at least knows that the crown and its sapphires are critically important beyond just the symbolic/cultural/political value, both to Karak Eight Peaks and to the Karaz Ankor as a whole.
Thorgrim was unaware of the treaty until Thorek showed up at Karaz-a-Karak with a copy of it to explain what was up. Thorek was theorectically negotiating on Thorgrim's behalf. (Edit: That was the wrong link, here's the correct one.)

I did not say that the crown was not the on/off switch for the Karak's waystones. I was saying that we don't know it in-character. To Belegar the crown just buffs his physical strength.

That warpstone was just covering the walls. The trolls had spent decades licking away at it before it broke apart. We don't know anything about it. The most I am willing to speculate is that the dhar wasn't in the chamber, because I doubt the trolls were meticulous enough to clean it all up. And who would have cleaned the warpstone out of the chamber otherwise? Teenagers would work, but it is also dhar.

Yes, what it appears to be is a kick-ass runic crown that makes him buff as hell.

Yeah, but the point wasn't if Belegar knew his Crown connected to the Throne of Power, it was if Belegar knew if his crown was at all connected to the Eight Karak Nexuses and that much Mathilde did guess per your own words.
And if Mathilde believed that so much then surely Belegar wouldn't only think that it was a crown that buffed his own strength. There was a fair bit of conversation the page before the link I provided. Boney said several times, in several different ways, even after it was pointed out that they wondered if the crown was connected to the reactivation of the waystones, that Belegar thinks it doesn't impact the Karak. Belegar trusts Mathilde implicitly; he thinks that it is 'just' a "kick-ass runic crown that makes him buff as hell."
 
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Hmmm, I mean, I have would think Mathilde would at least know that at the exact moment the crown was finished something magically changed, because wolf felt it and would have transmitted at least a "somethings happening!" Signal.
 
It's certainly Mathilde's first guess:
He turns to you as Panoramia retreats. "So," he says. "Waystones, hmm? Was this your idea, or Algard's?"

"It was the Eonir's idea. The Karak Eight Peaks Waystones reactivated when the Karak was reconquered, and the Eonir believed me to be partially responsible."

"And you weren't?"

"I believe it to have been autonomous. Something to do with the crown, if I had to guess. But I haven't dissuaded them of the notion, due to the opportunity it represents."
But it's not exactly something she can claim to know.
 
We should make him one. really inflict something on him
Mathilde: Belegar, I must confess. I have a secret text which I believe you should know about. It contains knowledge that could be dangerous to all that exists... or, when properly harnessed, be a boon that saves us all.
Belegar: Mathilde, there's no need for the dramatics. I already guessed you have the Liber Mortis somewhere.
Mathilde: Wait, how? No... uh, let's put a pin in that. It's not the Liber Mortis anyway.
Belegar: It's the Scrolls of Zandri, isn't it? No wonder you wanted to dig under the ruins of that accursed peak.
Mathilde: ...
Mathilde: Look, just let me finish right? It's this: Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - An Advisor's Quest.
Belegar: Hmmm... that doesn't sound so dangerous. Whoever wrote this is most definitely not following your umgi tradition of ominously named books.
 
The Khazalid wiki page says mountain tribe/mountain tribesman/mountaineer is 'karazi'. Does this more specifically mean "mountain tribe of a specific mountain"? With 'kari' being "mountain tribes in general" and 'karikaz' being "this specific mountain tribe"? Or would 'kariki' be "this specific mountain tribe"?
 
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The Khazalid wiki page says mountain tribe/mountain tribesman/mountaineer is 'karazi'. Does this more specifically mean "mountain tribe of a specific mountain"? With 'kari' being "mountain tribes in general" and 'karikaz' being "this specific mountain tribe"? Or would 'kariki' be "this specific mountain tribe"?

You'd use the prefixes to specify, wouldn't you? So 'mountain tribes in general' would be 'karazi' and 'this specific mountain tribe' would be 'umkarazi'. 'Mountain tribe of specific mountain' would be specified by naming the mountain.

'Kari' would be 'stone person', so... golems, I suppose? Earth elementals? And 'karikaz' would be 'place of the stone people'.
 
You'd use the prefixes to specify, wouldn't you? So 'mountain tribes in general' would be 'karazi' and 'this specific mountain tribe' would be 'umkarazi'. 'Mountain tribe of specific mountain' would be specified by naming the mountain.

'Kari' would be 'stone person', so... golems, I suppose? Earth elementals? And 'karikaz' would be 'place of the stone people'.
Khazalid has three ways to specify. One is 'um-', meaning them/those/these. '-i' means 'the', with the example being 'skaz' meaning 'a thief' while 'skazi' means 'the thief'. Finally you have '-az', denoting a specific physical thing, with karaz being a specific mountain instead of mountains in general.

A strict translation of 'kari' would be big stone person, but Khazalid is sometimes more flexible in its meanings. 'People who make shoddy things' is 'umgi' instead of 'umgazi' (umgokrazi?), and 'grobkul' means 'art of stalking goblins in caves' instead of 'art of greenies'.
 
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You'd use the prefixes to specify, wouldn't you? So 'mountain tribes in general' would be 'karazi' and 'this specific mountain tribe' would be 'umkarazi'. 'Mountain tribe of specific mountain' would be specified by naming the mountain.

'Kari' would be 'stone person', so... golems, I suppose? Earth elementals? And 'karikaz' would be 'place of the stone people'.
Actually no wait you're completely right. "big stone" on its own doesn't mean mountain, it needs -az to become a mountain. Karazi would be general, then.

I think one way to look at it is that "karaz" is essentially saying "mountains are the embodiment of the concept of 'big stone'", which fits well in dwarf philosophy.
 
Actually no wait you're completely right. "big stone" on its own doesn't mean mountain, it needs -az to become a mountain. Karazi would be general, then.

I think one way to look at it is that "karaz" is essentially saying "mountains are the embodiment of the concept of 'big stone'", which fits well in dwarf philosophy.

The grammar of Khazalid gets weird around concepts they particularly respect or are particularly embodied - they 'upgrade' them from the usual -ak for concept to the -az of a physical object, sort of considering them 'realer'. That means the definitions start getting crowded with things like 'karaz', which could just mean 'a particular mountain' or it could mean 'true endurance'.
 
The grammar of Khazalid gets weird around concepts they particularly respect or are particularly embodied - they 'upgrade' them from the usual -ak for concept to the -az of a physical object, sort of considering them 'realer'. That means the definitions start getting crowded with things like 'karaz', which could just mean 'a particular mountain' or it could mean 'true endurance'.

Elves: *eye ambiguous meaning* Odd how that seems appropriate eh? :V
 
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There is something that's been bugging me for a while. Maybe I missed it in the text, but if Mathilde doesn't know high Nehekharan, how does she know that those scrolls contain the prophesies of Zandri?
Do they have the tittle written on them in some language she can read or something?
 
There is something that's been bugging me for a while. Maybe I missed it in the text, but if Mathilde doesn't know high Nehekharan, how does she know that those scrolls contain the prophesies of Zandri?
Do they have the tittle written on them in some language she can read or something?
Inference. She found the notes of necromancer or vampire that was trying to work on/translate/square the contradictory prophecies and found the copies of the original material that the necromancer/vampire was using as source. Technically, they could also NOT be that, but how likely is it that a room belonging to a guy trying to syncretize two contradictory prophecies would not contain the basis for one branch of those prophecies.
 
Inference. She found the notes of necromancer or vampire that was trying to work on/translate/square the contradictory prophecies and found the copies of the original material that the necromancer/vampire was using as source. Technically, they could also NOT be that, but how likely is it that a room belonging to a guy trying to syncretize two contradictory prophecies would not contain the basis for one branch of those prophecies.
Makes sense. I just thought that she was on a time crunch and didn't have enough time for something like that.
 
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