Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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Voikirium
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Nostalgia is the mind killer, remember this and everything weird in 4th edition makes sense.
SaltyWaffles
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I don't think that's realistically possible. Liminal realms are tied to physical locations. That's what makes them work. The closest we've got is Branulhune's Rune of the Unknown, but that's less of a liminal realm and more of an object having a special property, which is a lot more achievable.
There are mentions of theoretical 'new' liminal realms that seem to match what Mathilde has made, but they only really come up during high-level theorizing. It seems to be thought pointless to figure out how to create a liminal realm from scratch when you can just isolate part of an already-existing one.
The liminal realm can solve the real estate problems in Lauerlorn by relieving the cramped city.
Though that would not be necessarily to anyone's long term good, the great houses will certainly pay much for our liminal realm creation AV. They can't build up or dig down. Into the aethyr is the way.
Real estate tycoon Mathilde.
Though that would not be necessarily to anyone's long term good, the great houses will certainly pay much for our liminal realm creation AV. They can't build up or dig down. Into the aethyr is the way.
Real estate tycoon Mathilde.
Is this referring to the grey lords' realm?
Yes, the Dreaming Wood of Laurelorn covers all the territory of the Eonir pretty much by definition, so there's always easily-available raw material to work with if you want to get up to dimensional shenanigans.
That actualy sounds like a great idea.
Sell the spell to Laurelorn nobles and have them turn living in a liminal realm into a matter of prestige and status.
Like "my House is so important we don't even share a dimension with the commonborn".
Mathilde would gain lots of wealth in no time, or can bargain with them to be paid in secret knowledge instead of money.
So for many reasons selfish or not, the grey lords don't like to share their realm with the Eonir if they can help it.
Sounds like a wonderful market.
I worry that I'm too tired to be making this point, so please do dismiss all of it if I'm entirely off-base... Movement is relative. Assuming that the Warhammer World is hurtling through space as much as any other planet, being tied to a physical location doesn't actually mean all that much.
Given the way that Warhammer's magic system works, I wouldn't be surprised if liminal realms are tied to metaphysical locations instead - it is accepted by most people that places in the world are meaningfully static and so a liminal realm stays in the physical place to which it is attached by the acceptance of that place as static. This raises the possibility that a liminal realm could be attached to something that moves that is, itself, sufficiently 'place-like' to be accepted as its own motive frame of reference within which things can be static. Black Arks come to mind, helped along by the fact that they were static (relative to the rest of the world) once upon a time.
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I hate to be the one to break YIMBY hearts, but the real estate problem in Tor Lithanel is artificial and deliberate. It could easily be solved if the political will to do so existed. But it doesn't, because those in power benefit from the artificial shortage, so to put a solution into practice you need the political capital to push the solution through despite those objections.
The problem is, as I see it, is that liminal realms have the exact same demon problem non-liminal realms have, and the solution to that is a bit of a work in progress.
Mopman43
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Well, yes.
And the reason they want to keep the city boundaries fixed, and to establish no other city, and to make it so living elsewhere means you can't live in the city, is because all of that serves to make the city more crowded. Which keeps the Great Houses in power.
The crowding is the point.
The cityborn either pay rent to live in the city, or live off a major house's charity. The major houses are the people the commoners are paying rent to. The major houses want rent to be high, because that is both more profitable to them, and puts the poorer elves into their debt.
Basic supply and demand. It is more profitable for the government to keep supply of housing low and demand for it high.
This is not a bug, it is a feature, and only a radical shift in the economy and governance—say, for example, open trade with the Empire—might cause them to re-evaluate their priorities.
Don't like it? Go live in the forest.
Basic supply and demand. It is more profitable for the government to keep supply of housing low and demand for it high.
This is not a bug, it is a feature, and only a radical shift in the economy and governance—say, for example, open trade with the Empire—might cause them to re-evaluate their priorities.
Don't like it? Go live in the forest.
It's a cartel of nimbys. Only Queen Marrisith might have the incentive or power to push change this status quo. (or she might prefer to stick to preserving the status quo though her actions don't speak that way) Her house is not a great house and does not profit as much from the artificial scarcity.
Still useful because it is impossible politically expand the city boundaries. But much easier to add liminal realms to it.
Still useful because it is impossible politically expand the city boundaries. But much easier to add liminal realms to it.
Mopman43
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Except for the fact that they're actively doing that, anyway.
No? They have sourced stone, and thought about maybe, in some decades (centuries) adding some more land, if the weather is fine and the gods are ok with it.
fictionfan
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If they wanted to solve the problem there are loads of directions that they could expand. Up, down and out. Giving a new direction to expand in doesn't change the basic equation.
A pocket dimension isn't a technical term, it's a general way to refer to an area outside reality that's relatively small and only used by one person or organization. A small liminal realm or possibly a cut-off fragment of a liminal pathway would be the ways Mathilde knows of to achieve this, but there's question marks around how some other things work that might actually use what you might refer to as a pocket dimension but aren't liminal realms or pathways. The Rune of the Unknown's mechanism is unknown - hence the name - and there's a Ranaldian divine magic that lets you hide things on your person in what might be a pocket dimension.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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So jealous of that.