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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Sir_Travelsalot said:
Probably just part of the Brewer's Guild. After all, there isn't a Surgeon's Guild in the Karaz Ankor, but rather a set of dwarfs in the Leatherworker's Guild who've learned to work with more than just dead skin.
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Honestly, the Surgeon's Guild thing surprises me, because surgery as a profession would be pretty long-standing. If nothing else, dwarves getting injuries that need stitches is probably pretty common given how much time they spend working with hard cutting tools. Granted, they also tend to wear armored protective clothing, but still.
 
There's no ancestor god of medicine, which means any dwarf who practices medicine is not following the example passed down from their ancestors. Hard to make a clan or guild out of something the ancestors didn't do.

Priestesses of Valaya probably come the closest, but that's more of a "home and hearth" thing than "surgery and medicine" thing.
 
Boney said:
Talkin' mad shit for a species that invented the term 'barber-surgeon'.

Medicine is a field with massive and unpredictable demand hikes. You need a lot of capacity and you need something for those people to do when that capacity isn't needed. For humans, that's haircuts. For Dwarves, that's leatherworking.
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I'd imagine that renaissance man conditions are in play too. There's way less surgical knowledge in the early modern period than in the present day, so it's fully possible to learn everything there is to know about surgery and know how to cut people's hair. Plus the precision bladework is cross-compatible. Barber-surgeon is a sensible profession.
 
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Boney said:
The Elven soul has high elasticity; they can be exposed to large amounts of magical influence and return to their original state unharmed. The human soul has high plasticity; they can be exposed to large amounts of magical influence and be bent into a shape able to withstand that and even take advantage of it in the future. The Dwarven soul, in comparison, has high rigidity; being exposed to large amounts of magical influence does nothing to them, up until it reaches the point where it does, at which point they do not bend or deform, they break.
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And the Halfling soul just says "no thank you, not interested" and magic replies "understandable, have a nice day".
 
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Tasoli said:
No disrespect intented, I will cop to being cheeky at most.

And Boney was being ironic was totalty of the explanation so I am not sure what more is needed?
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Posting dictionary definitions at someone is considered rude, in much the same way that using the 'citation needed' emoji is. Better to avoid them unless rudeness is the intent. In this case, simply saying Boney was being ironic suffices.
 
Simon_Jester said:
Having her bottom half stolen would tend to do that, yes.
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About being bound by a human, in that case.
But I like to imagine that in the hypothetical Nat100 universe, she'd be quite chipper, since it cut her off from Dhar and so fixed a big part of her underlying issues.
Mind, that's by Drycha standards, she's still super grumpy, but Mathilde has an extremely high "grumpy old people" resistance. Kragg and all. She's also got a tremendous "grumpy old people" charm, so I'm sure Drycha will come around. Having a cool big tree around will help. Before too long she'll be doing reforesting around K8Ps or something, and settle in as just another member of Mathilde's Forcibly Adopted Mob, Irritated Lovingly by Younglings.
 
IronFist said:
OR the other way around, whoever knows a healing spell or two gets to be the doctor.
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Nah that stuff would be their equivalent of home medicine the band aid you put on your cuts and bruises or the over-the-counter drugs for common illness you keep at home, but for real dangerous stuff like magical sickness or warp born plagues or injuries that need heavy duty magic to heal like regrowing a limp you go to an actual doctor
 
Abby Normal said:
Well here's a diffchecker, i'll write up the changes more succinctly in a bit but i literally just got out of bed :p
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Note/Disclaimer at 920 eastern: My 'pause for breakfast and shower' turned into 'pause while boney goes through any suggestions for more books to add' :V So the below is incomplete even for the 'original' changes. Probably around lunch time i'll check back and if it looks like boney's about done adding new things i'll go about finishing this :p

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Edit 8/31: After Thousands of Years i have escaped the mixture of chores, millennia, and everything else thats distracted me...and by now i think its safe to take the current org sheet as the final version of the eonir gains :V

So here's the final "before and after" diffchecker for the Eonir library gains (+newly written books about the We)
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Natural Science

(Uncategorized)​
SubjectGainChangeAsurEonir
Anatomy312 to 15Extensive and Obscure
Astronomy25 to 7Extensive
Ecology5New SubjectExtensive and Esoteric
Geography27 to 9Extensive
Mathematics35 to 8Extensive and Obscure
Mineralogy55 to 10Extensive and Esoteric
Physics35 to 8Extensive and Obscure
Toxins210 to 12Extensive
Category Total251 New Subject1312

Fauna​
SubjectGainChangeAsurEonir
Birds of Prey5New SubjectExtensive and Esoteric
Centaurs, Minotaurs, and Harpies2New SubjectExtensive
Chaos Spawn5New SubjectExtensive and Esoteric
Dragons and Draconids49 to 13ExtensiveExtensive
Equines3New SubjectExtensive and Obscure
Gors and Ungors5New SubjectExtensive and Esoteric
Ungulates5New SubjectExtensive and Esoteric
Category Total296 New Subjects722

Flora (New Category)​
SubjectGainChangeAsurEonir
Old World Forests5New SubjectExtensive and Esoteric
Category Total5New Category05

Geography​
SubjectGainChangeAsurEonir
The Old World29 to 11Extensive
Ulthuan2New SubjectExtensive
Category Total41 New Subject40

Hydrography (New Category)​
SubjectGainChangeAsurEonir
The Far Sea2New SubjectExtensive
The Great Ocean2New SubjectExtensive
The Sea of Claws4New SubjectExtensiveExtensive
The Sea of Dread2New SubjectExtensive
Category Total10New Category82
​
SubjectGainChangeAsurEonir
Natural Science Total732 New Categories, 13 New Subjects3241
​
Social Science

(Uncategorized)​
SubjectGainChangeAsurEonir
Ethics27 to 9Extensive
Law27 to 9Extensive
Literature25 to 7Extensive
Music and Poetry510 to 15Extensive and Esoteric
Philosophy210 to 12Extensive
Rhetoric210 to 12Extensive
Theology17 to 8Basic
Category Total16115

Civilized Realms​
SubjectGainChangeAsurEonir
The Karaz Ankor212 to 14Extensive
The Old Ones3New SubjectExtensive and Obscure
The Ten Kingdoms of Ulthuan37 to 10Extensive and Obscure
The We*11 to 2
Category Total*8 (9*)1 New Subject80
*Note that the books about the We are Dwarven, not Eonir or Asur.

Enemies of Man​
SubjectGainChangeAsurEonir
Beastmen57 to 12Extensive and Esoteric
Daemons24 to 6Extensive
Greenskins112 to 13Basic
Skaven213 to 15Extensive
Category Total1055


SubjectGainChangeAsurEonir
Social Science Total341 New Subject2410


Applied Science

Uncategorized​
SubjectGainChangeAsurEonir
Agriculture24 to 6Extensive
Architecture27 to 9Extensive
Carpentry5New SubjectExtensive and Esoteric
Engineering214 to 16Extensive
Forestry5New SubjectExtensive and Esoteric
Leatherworking5New SubjectExtensive and Esoteric
Metallurgy210 to 12Extensive
Medicine35 to 8Extensive and Obscure
Category Total263 New Subjects1115

War and Combat​
SubjectGainChangeAsurEonir
Archery5New SubjectExtensive and Esoteric
Greatswords210 to 12Extensive
Logistics21 to 3Extensive
Polearms3New SubjectExtensive and Obscure
Strategy32 to 5Extensive and Obscure
Swords3New SubjectExtensive and Obscure
Tactics53 to 8Extensive and Esoteric
Unarmed5New SubjectExtensive and Esoteric
Category Total284 New Subjects1315

Note for Boney: Tactics has Skaven listed/sorted after eonir, while the Enemies of Man: Skaven subject up above has Skaven sorted before Eonir.

SubjectGainChangeAsurEonir
Applied Science Total547 New Subjects2430


Magic

Teclisean Magic​
SubjectGainChangeAsurEonir
Aethyr - The Warp25 to 7Extensive
Sevir - The Winds of Magic27 to 9Extensive
Qhaysh - High Magic12 to 3Basic
Ghyran - Life Magic35 to 8Extensive and Obscure
Shyish - Death Magic32 to 5Extensive and Obscure
Ghur - Beast Magic32 to 5Extensive and Obscure
Chamon - Metal Magic32 to 5Extensive and Obscure
Agshy - Fire Magic36 to 9Extensive and Obscure
Azyr - Celestial Magic35 to 8Extensive and Obscure
Hysh - Light Magic32 to 5Extensive and Obscure
Ulgu - Shadow Magic35 to 8Extensive and Obscure
Dhar - Dark Magic2New SubjectExtensive
Category Total311 New Subject292

Advanced Magic​
SubjectGainChangeAsurEonir
Elementalism26 to 8Extensive and Obscure*
Enchantment25 to 7Extensive
Familiars52 to 7Extensive and Esoteric
The Old Ones3New SubjectExtensive and Obscure
Potions55 to 10Extensive and Esoteric
Terraformation2New SubjectExtensive
Waystones and Henges510 to 15Extensive and Esoteric
Category Title242 New Subjects717
*Note that we had basic (+1) Asur for Elementalism already

Magical Phenomena​
SubjectGainChangeAsurEonir
Apparitions35 to 8Extensive and Obscure
Forest Spirits55 to 10Extensive and Esoteric
Liminal Pathways2New SubjectExtensive
Liminal Realms55 to 10Extensive and Esoteric
Category Total151 New Subject312

Dark Magic​
SubjectGainChangeAsurEonir
Beastman Wild Magic55 to 10Extensive and Esoteric
Chaos Sorcery24 to 6Extensive
Skaven Warp Magic24 to 6Extensive
Category Total945

SubjectGainChangeAsurEonir
Magic Total794 New Subjects4336


Divinity

Old World Pantheon​
SubjectGainChangeAsurEonir
Ulric11
Category Total101

Dwarven Ancestor Gods​
SubjectGainChangeAsurEonir
Grungni2Extensive
Valaya2Extensive
Grimnir2Extensive
Thungni1Basic
Smednir1Basic
Morgrim1Basic
Category Total990

Cadai​
SubjectGainChangeAsurEonir
Asuryan, the Creator5New SubjectExtensive and Esoteric
Eldrazor, Lord of Blades2New SubjectExtensive
Isha, the Mother5New SubjectExtensive and Esoteric
Kurnous, Father of the Wilds2New SubjectExtensive
Ladrielle, Lady of Mists2New SubjectExtensive
Lileath, Maiden of Dreams2New SubjectExtensive
Morai-Heg, the Keeper of Souls5New SubjectExtensive and Esoteric
Vaul, the Maker2New SubjectExtensive
Category Total258 New Subjects817

Cytherai​
SubjectGainChangeAsurEonir
Anath Raema, the Savage Huntress2New SubjectExtensive
Atharti, Lady of Desire5New SubjectExtensive and Esoteric
Ereth Khial, the Pale Queen2New SubjectExtensive
Khaine, the Bloody-Handed God21 to 3Extensive
Nethu, Keeper of the Last Door2New SubjectExtensive
Category Total134 New Subjects85

Ellinill and the Ellinilli​
SubjectGainChangeAsurEonir
Ellinill, Lord of Destruction2New SubjectExtensive
Addaioth, Bringer of Wrath and Fire12 to 3Extensive*
Drakira, Queen of Vengeance2New SubjectExtensive
Estreuth, Herald of Famine2New SubjectExtensive
Hukon, the Sunderer12 to 3Extensive*
Mathlann, Lord of the Deeps2New SubjectExtensive
Category Total104 New Subjects82
*Note that we had Basic (+1) Asur for both Addaioth and Hukon already.

SubjectGainChangeAsurEonir
Divinity Total5816 New Subjects3325


Ok. I think thats everything done. I need to get lunch and get ready to go to a friends wedding, so please tell me if anything is missing/typoed, but i wont be able to fix it until tomorrow :p
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As a headsup, i have finally had the time to update my previous post...also took the time to pretty it up, using tables and giving splits on how much eonir vs asur we got, as well as changes for each category. And of course the 'final' diff checker:

Edit: @mathymancer noticed that somehow i had a slightly out of date version of the org sheet, so here's the *actual* fixed finalized diffchecker :V And i'll go in to my tables and add the missing Arthropod and serpent books that were missing as a result in a moment

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I need to get lunch and get ready to go to a friends wedding, so please tell me if anything is missing/typoed, but i wont be able to fix it until tomorrow :p
 
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