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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Maybe Morrsileb being full is a in universe literatary convention? Whenever anyone tells a story about a bad day they say that Morrsileb was full. A bit like saying that it was a dark and stormy night.
 
Glau said:
But if it is actually unpredictable, then there's no point in keeping records, and you need to treat every night as if it were a full moon to be safe. That's not what people do- it seems like they know about it before nightfall at least, right?
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You don't know starting out. And there's always hope you can find something. Finally, it's a mix. There's some tendencies. As a farmer, you have a decent idea what will happen, but the chaos good can just decide otherwise.
 
Boney said:
'[Geheimnistag] occurs when the twin moons Morrsleib and Mannsleib are both full in the sky. This occurs only once per year'
2e Tome of Salvation

'The dark moon Morrslieb is full only twice a year, and one of these occasions marks its perigee.'
8e Daemons of Chaos army book

My impression is that lore goes back and forth over whether Geheimnisnacht and Hexensnacht were just Morrslieb being full or both moons being full. A quick look couldn't find an explicit contradiction, though you can only make the above two quotes work together if Morrslieb is only full when Mannslieb is also full, which seems wrong to me.
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Wouldn't it work also if Morrslieb was full only twice a year, and one of those two times lined up with one of Mannslieb's many full times each year?
 
Boney said:
'[Geheimnistag] occurs when the twin moons Morrsleib and Mannsleib are both full in the sky. This occurs only once per year'
2e Tome of Salvation

'The dark moon Morrslieb is full only twice a year, and one of these occasions marks its perigee.'
8e Daemons of Chaos army book

My impression is that lore goes back and forth over whether Geheimnisnacht and Hexensnacht were just Morrslieb being full or both moons being full. A quick look couldn't find an explicit contradiction, though you can only make the above two quotes work together if Morrslieb is only full when Mannslieb is also full, which seems wrong to me.
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My preference is for the explanation given in Signs of Faith from 3rd edition WFRP, which is simply that Geheimnisnacht and Hexensnacht are the only times in the year when both moons are full at the same time, which has extra mystical importance, but this doesn't stop Morrslieb from being full more than twice per year.

Yeah, sure it contradicts some other sources like the ones you quoted, but Warhammer lore is swiss cheese anyways.
 
I think I recall hearing that Morreslieb is sometimes in different phases in neighboring villages or something?

If so, then perhaps it is only universally full two times a year?
 
maybe Morrslieb is still somewhat subject to the magic the slann used to order the solar system.
That's why it's orbit still has some consistent points.

It just does whatever it wants at every other time.
 
I think Morrsleib being ultimately predictable fits with the fact that Chaos is not actually very chaotic. They are downright predictable and same-y, in fact. Hell, one of the Chaos gods is all about stagnation. Sure, this might not have been the original intention of WHF and WH40k settings, but the way Chaos is written, it is ultimately just not very chaotic.
 
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Morrsleib has a supernatural orbit and appears full very variably. A 2E book I can't recall mentions in the calendar section that some small Empire villages base the length of a month on a full Morrsleib, and have a prophecy that if there are more than some very high number of months in a year the world will end.

Any form of measurement of the Chaos Moon inevitably includes magic, so just being able to measure it isn't an assurance that it's actually physical or natural.
 
chocolote12 said:
Morrsleib has a supernatural orbit and appears full very variably. A 2E book I can't recall mentions in the calendar section that some small Empire villages base the length of a month on a full Morrsleib, and have a prophecy that if there are more than some very high number of months in a year the world will end.
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Tome of Salvation is the book you're thinking of, I believe.
 
Also I must remind you all that the Slann regularly try to push Morrsleib away, blow off pieces of it to try and shrink it, and otherwise hate on it while the Everqueen also conducts a regular ritual to slap it away, and the moon's response is to just roll back in at the same size it always is. If it is a spiteful ball, perhaps it comes back extra vibrant in a fit of pique, and the timing of the rituals that put it away coincide with a full Mannsleib, thus resulting in a regular, predictable Hexenacht and Geheimnestag.
 
Sir_Travelsalot said:
Tome of Salvation is the book you're thinking of, I believe.
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Yes, page 142
Morr's Beloved: The locals mark their months according to the cycle of Morrslieb. However, given the Chaos Moon's erratic nature, some months may last little longer than a few days, and others may last entire seasons. Each Morrsleib full moon heralds celebrations the next day, with locals gathering to congratulate each other for surviving one more month. The community believes that if it ever has more than 88 months in a year, the world will end.
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What if Morrslieb has an entirely normal orbit (or more worryingly falling collision trajectory), it's just constantly getting shoved around by the elder races attempts trying to make it go away/not crash on the planet, which makes it look like it's going crazy if you can't detect the super rituals pushing it around into new fucked up trajectories every other month.

Edit: also couple more thoughts, Dhar wants to return where it came from. Considering what it's made of could be the moon is attracted to the planet by more than just gravity? Combined with not wanting to punt it so hard they accidentally shatter the thing (that would be bad) could explain why they never managed to get rid of it. Edit Edit: Last time they hit it too hard we got bloody Mordheim.
 
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Blackout said:
My preference is for the explanation given in Signs of Faith from 3rd edition WFRP, which is simply that Geheimnisnacht and Hexensnacht are the only times in the year when both moons are full at the same time, which has extra mystical importance, but this doesn't stop Morrslieb from being full more than twice per year.

Yeah, sure it contradicts some other sources like the ones you quoted, but Warhammer lore is swiss cheese anyways.
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Swiss cheese? I understand now. Morrslieb's orbit is erratic because it's full of holes. Like a wiffle ball spinning through the aether.
 
Derpmind said:
Swiss cheese? I understand now. Morrslieb's orbit is erratic because it's full of holes. Like a wiffle ball spinning through the aether.
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Warpstone is actually cheese and thats the reason Skaven crave it. Morrslieb is actually the largest and tastiest cheese wheel in the setting and the reason Slaan drive it away is because they are all lactose intolerant. :V
 
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Altom said:
Warpstone is actually cheese and thats the reason Skaven crave it. Morrslieb is actually the largest and tastiest cheese wheel in the setting and the reason Slaan drive it away is because they are all lactose intolerant. :V
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Let's consider the evidence logically.
  1. It is edible by select populations, and is in fact considered quite fancy.
  2. It's a hardened form of a substance, produced through a process often described as rotting.
  3. It keeps well, and that's one of the things that makes it so desirable.
  4. You can add small bits to larger projects to make them better.
  5. The sight/smell can be offputting to those not used to it.
  6. The mere concept can induce revulsion in those not able to digest it.
  7. Yet it is so delicious that there are those who can't safely digest it and consume it anyway
  8. Often found in caves.
The similarities are shocking, and we must conclude that Warpstone is, in fact, cheese.
 
BurnNote said:
Let's consider the evidence logically.
  1. It is edible by select populations, and is in fact considered quite fancy.
  2. It's a hardened form of a substance, produced through a process often described as rotting.
  3. It keeps well, and that's one of the things that makes it so desirable.
  4. You can add small bits to larger projects to make them better.
  5. The sight/smell can be offputting to those not used to it.
  6. The mere concept can induce revulsion in those not able to digest it.
  7. Yet it is so delicious that there are those who can't safely digest it and consume it anyway
  8. Often found in caves.
The similarities are shocking, and we must conclude that Warpstone is, in fact, cheese.
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Interesting but if Dhar is solid warpstone and cheese is solid milk, are we therefore to conclude that milk is magic? And if so is this an undiscovered wind, a stable high magic like Qhaysh or Dhar 2.0>
 
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