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I was rereading and I came across something that in retrospect horrified me. This is from the Dum expedition:

1: Věnceslava
2: Zlata
3: Milica
4: Ljiljana

There was a chance they would sent Zlata after the Cup, Zlata! What on Malus was she meant to do to fight the Chaos tribe and Khornite Champion? I hope she would have just left the whole thing to Mathilde which would at least mean the latter could sneak, but would an Ice Maiden even be able to contain the cup if we got it? Questions I am very glad will never be definitively answered.
 
At that point they might we well have sent a note so I don't think so. Maybe someone more powerful but uniquely vulnerable? The order of the options is out of character after all.
The one who tried to sneak up on Mathilde. A bit older than Mathilde, but not by much.
She's a severe-looking woman perhaps a few years your elder, with prematurely grey hair and wearing a sky-blue dress and cloak. "Magister Weber of the Grey College."

"Věnceslava of the Hromada Ledyanoy Ved'ma. Come then, Magister. Let me introduce you to my sisters."
 
There was a chance they would sent Zlata after the Cup, Zlata! What on Malus was she meant to do to fight the Chaos tribe and Khornite Champion? I hope she would have just left the whole thing to Mathilde which would at least mean the latter could sneak, but would an Ice Maiden even be able to contain the cup if we got it? Questions I am very glad will never be definitively answered.

In fairness, we've never seen Zlata decide to freeze some folk to death. How good she is at battle magic is a bit of a cipher. Ljiljana is definitely more powerful, but in pure battle magic it may not be as much as you'd think. Zlata is younger and less versed in theory than many of the Ice Witches which makes her come off as a bit helpless in Waystone stuff...but that doesn't mean she can't call down the wrath of winter on her enemies.
 
In fairness, we've never seen Zlata decide to freeze some folk to death. How good she is at battle magic is a bit of a cipher. Ljiljana is definitely more powerful, but in pure battle magic it may not be as much as you'd think. Zlata is younger and less versed in theory than many of the Ice Witches which makes her come off as a bit helpless in Waystone stuff...but that doesn't mean she can't call down the wrath of winter on her enemies.

I mean she is a Maiden, the most junior level of proper Ice Witches and learning magic takes time for them just as for every other spellcaster. It's a reasonable assumption she has no battle magic
 
Anyways Drakenhof is certainly disconnected from the network at this point. In that there probably aren't any waystones between it and the network. So we would need to make more waystones to fill the points in between.
No we wouldn't Please don't post misinformation like this when we specifically picked dual Transmission with rivers to avoid that. And Drakenhoff has a river and is a good place to test river transmission method.
 
I mean she is a Maiden, the most junior level of proper Ice Witches and learning magic takes time for them just as for every other spellcaster. It's a reasonable assumption she has no battle magic

I don't think we have any good evidence that is the way they progress things. Given the role Ice Witches serve in Kislev as the primary battle mages, I'd be unsurprised if they start off getting them to functional battle magic and only then move on to more in depth theory stuff. Remember that the Battle Mages of the Colleges are not necessarily the oldest and most experienced mages.
 
I don't think we have any good evidence that is the way they progress things. Given the role Ice Witches serve in Kislev as the primary battle mages, I'd be unsurprised if they start off getting them to functional battle magic and only then move on to more in depth theory stuff. Remember that the Battle Mages of the Colleges are not necessarily the oldest and most experienced mages.

Realm of the Ice Queen, Second Edition RPG is reasonably clear how they are trained and that is the closest to quest canon we have.
 
This again? I will probably turn out to be wrong in one of our arguments eventually, but this is also trivially wrong.

Nexuses exist to relay the energies of dozens and hundreds of waystones. They probably do other things. The density of nexuses in the Forest of Shadows would indicate that having more of them in an area can help with draining bad shit. But the main reason they exist is to relay the immense energies collected by a dozens and hundreds of waystones all the way to Ulthuan.

Fort Solace was obviously not built to close a portal. It was built to relay energy. If you want to further argue that it was built to close a portal, feel safe in the knowledge I will not acknowledge it.

You are the one trying to prove that waystones can handle the energy of dozens or hundreds of other waystones chains. That is up to you to find the evidence of. There is absolutely zero reason to think that and quite a bit to think it is outright wrong.

(Edit: How would waystones even be overloaded by Storms of Magic if they aren't cut off from the network? Waystones are designed to limit how much energy can be absorbed by them at a time. They also have storages that can last for centuries being cut off before blowing up as a dhar bomb. They also only release energy to the leyline in set intervals.

I'm pretty sure the main limit to the waystone-leylines is that they just aren't "carved" to be big enough to relay that much energy. If you tried to put more in it would jam. I mean, how would a normal waystone carve a big enough route to compare to the route a nexus could carve?)

(Edit 2: How is a nexus's worth of energy supposed to fit?)

(Edit 3: We know that leylines have limits as to how much they can fit. And I found a quote! Boney did not say that nexuses were not needed to handle flows of nexus-quantities of energies. Boney stated that because nexuses handle it between single "pipelines" rivers could handle it without a nexus.)

What your quotes do indicate is that a river can carry a nexus' worth of Dhar down a single artificial pipeline. That alone is probably enough to make having an overflow from the Kislev network worth it.

A Waystone would be exploded by a Storm of Magic in your model if upstream Waystones were sending vast amounts of magic downstream because they were within the Storm as well. If there are mechanisms to prevent this, it would apply to a Waystone acting as an overflow for the Kislevite network as well. It would channel what it could, acting to drain off any excess in the Kislev system over time that the Widow couldn't process.

And we still don't know what the maximum throughput of a regular Waystone is. Given the variable density of nexuses individual Waystones could also have dozens of others upstream feeding their entire absorption capacity through them.
 
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Realm of the Ice Queen, Second Edition RPG is reasonably clear how they are trained and that is the closest to quest canon we have.

Sure. That...says nothing about whether Ice Maidens are taught more theory or more battle magic? Not that I can find anyway. Like, we know something about how it works structurally but not which elements are focused on first. Honestly, the descriptions of how dangerous Ice Magic is to both the caster and their enemies makes it seem like they start teaching the real nasty stuff real early.
 
Sure. That...says nothing about whether Ice Maidens are taught more theory or more battle magic? Not that I can find anyway. Like, we know something about how it works structurally but not which elements are focused on first. Honestly, the descriptions of how dangerous Ice Magic is to both the caster and their enemies makes it seem like they start teaching the real nasty stuff real early.

You can literally play as an Ice Maiden, they do not get Battle Magic. (Page 104 Realm of the Ice Queen; it's a Journeyowman equivalent)
 
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You can literally play as an Ice Maiden, that is what 'Ice Witch' is, they do not get Battle Magic.

You can play as an Ice Witch as well. And have access to the exact same spell list either way.

You get more spells as an Ice Witch (since it's the next level of the career progression), but not a different list of them. Now, neither get full-on battle magic spells for the most part, but that's more a restriction of the way magic works in WHFRP 2E than it is anything to do with access to battle magic in-universe.
 
I find it hard to believe that the Ice Court teaches its junior members the hardest and most dangerous magics first, and then work their way down to the easy stuff. That is the complete opposite of every other magical tradition we know of.

Zlata was chosen for the project because she reads and writes. Not because of her skill with magic, or her knowledge of theory, or a talent with enchanting, but because she was literally the only scholar the Ice Court could rustle up at a moments notice.

Besides, based on our interactions with her, she isn't "deep enough within her wind", or whatever the ice witch equivalent is, to be able to handle those large scales battle magics.
 
I find it hard to believe that the Ice Court teaches its junior members the hardest and most dangerous magics first, and then work their way down to the easy stuff. That is the complete opposite of every other magical tradition we know of.

To be clear, this is not what I'm saying. I'm saying it's plausible that, like dedicated Battle Mages in the colleges they learn Battle Magic before going on deep dives into theory, not that they learn it before lesser magics. The two are very different statements. Like, we know Battle Mages have their own specific 'program track' that gets them battle magic a lot sooner than other tracks...the Ice Witch track having more in common with that than the academic track seems pretty plausible.

And I'm not even saying this is true for sure, I'm saying we don't know enough to disregard it as a possibility.
 
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You can play as an Ice Witch as well. And have access to the exact same spell list either way.

You get more spells as an Ice Witch (since it's the next level of the career progression), but not a different list of them. Now, neither get full-on battle magic spells for the most part, but that's more a restriction of the way magic works in WHFRP 2E than it is anything to do with access to battle magic in-universe.

I mean... quotes below. I'm not sure how much clearer 'this is a frosty journeywoman' can be. What you are arguing is the equivalent of 'well the colleges do not specifically say they do not teach their journeymen battle magic and since no one has it in the system they could'

Ice Maiden (Advanced, Special)
When apprentice witches finish their training, they are released from their mistresses to seek a deeper understanding of Ice Magic. To do this, they must mirror the Ancient Widow as closely as possible, so they swear vows of chastity (to represent being widowed) before forging forth with cold determination in their hearts. Maidens of the ice can be found in the most unlikely places as they quest for understanding, but most
commonly, they wander the frozen oblast, facing kyazak, the land's spirits, and ferocious Greenskins with equal resolve. An ice maiden's vow of chastity ends when she gains insight into her wintry magic and becomes a full ice witch; however, for some, this understanding never comes, and they remain forever alone.
Career Entries: Apprentice Witch

Ice Witch (Advanced, Special)
The ice witches of Kislev are feared and respected throughout the Old World. They are the darkest winter, the coldest ice, and the cruellest blizzard, and few can bear their presence for long. But being an ice witch is more than simply practicing Ice Magic and defending Kislev from its foes. Ice witches are part of an ancient sisterhood that has long influenced and often ruled the Gospodar tribe—and still does to this day. They are in touch with the wintry spirits of the land and the frozen flows of magic surging through it; thus, they work hard to preserve the old ways and ancient places, keen to ensure their pristine magic remains unsullied and pure.
Special Requirements: You must be female to enter this career.
Career Entries: Ice Maiden

To be clear, this is not what I'm saying. I'm saying it's plausible that, like dedicated Battle Mages in the colleges they learn Battle Magic before going on deep dives into theory, not that they learn it before lesser magics. The two are very different statements. Like, we know Battle Mages have their own specific 'program track' that gets them battle magic a lot sooner than other tracks...the Ice Witch track having more in common with that than the academic track seems pretty plausible.

And I'm not even saying this is true for sure, I'm saying we don't know enough to disregard it as a possibility.

Dedicated battle mages are also locked up so that when not if some of them explode they do not do so in populated areas. Ice maidens are encouraged to travel.
 
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I think we have? Hosting this was part of the Queen's initiative to break isolationism and develop positive diplomatic cred with other nations. It's not tangible, but positive rep is definitely a thing.
Physical goodies matter, it matters a lot! They definitely achieved their diplomatic goals, but in theory the purpose of the Waystone Project was about repairing the Network. They are certainly expecting to be at the top of the list to get stuff due to being the host. If they aren't at the top and they aren't right up, they are going to start being very upset.

No we wouldn't Please don't post misinformation like this when we specifically picked dual Transmission with rivers to avoid that. And Drakenhoff has a river and is a good place to test river transmission method.
I responded to this earlier.

It really doesn't feel like much of a triumphal occasion if it only partly works because everything around it is broke. The riverine leyline component of the waystone is not the main leyline it is supposed to use. It is supposed to be a backup.

I absolutely could have been more clear with my initial statement though.

Yes, but then we wouldn't even get to say the leyline keyphrase until we got around to erecting Waystones in Sylvania, rather than being able to do it for the ceremony. Though obviously the keyphrase wouldn't be said in front of an audience, but I'm pretty sure that is said at the waystone already connected to the network, rather than at the waystone being added.

What your quotes do indicate is that a river can carry a nexus' worth of Dhar down a single artificial pipeline. That alone is probably enough to make having an overflow from the Kislev network worth it.

A Waystone would be exploded by a Storm of Magic in your model if upstream Waystones were sending vast amounts of magic downstream because they were within the Storm as well. If there are mechanisms to prevent this, it would apply to a Waystone acting as an overflow for the Kislevite network as well. It would channel what it could, acting to drain off any excess in the Kislev system over time that the Widow couldn't process.
Nothing in this comment even remotely addresses my point. Which is that a waystone would not feasible work as a drainage function. A river being able to funnel the dhar is not a waystone ferrying the magic.

The amount of a magic a waystone will be able to drain is practically meaningless on a national scale. Ideally we're going to build hundreds of waystones in Kislev. It might even be over a thousand waystones in Kislev. Your proposal will not help. It's meaningless.

How does a waystone work? It absorbs energy from the surroundings. Then the energy is moved into the storage. Then the energy is orbited around dhar (which may or may not have been created by the waystone). It then puts that into the leyline. Waystones also serve as points on the leylines. They keep the leylines carved.

We have literally argued for pages about how much storage a waystone has. The storage method we chose and the one the elves chose can keep energy in the waystone for centuries.

There are two ways to resolve Boney saying you need a nexus to handle vast amounts of energies while waystones can handle Storms of Magic. One, that the energy collected from hundreds of waystones is more than what a waystone will absorb during a storm of magic. That seems fairly obvious. Two, the waystone uses the storage to spread out the distribution of energy so the leylines don't get clogged. This also seems fairly obvious. The High Elves would not have designed a waystone to put more energy in the leyline than the leylines would handle.

Hell, Boney stated that storage wasn't the bottleneck with storms of magic. That implies that waystones either cannot absorb enough energies to overwhelm the leylines or they cannot put energy in the leyline fast enough to do that. It is probably both. They would not have built with storages that can last centuries without being connected to the network and expect the waystone to just dump it in all at once the milisecond it was reconnected.

Edit: I removed the last part after someone recommended I not. Just please address my points. Not what my points are not.

Boney, the storage category talks about being able to more readily absorb storms of magic and the like. Does that mean a more expensive storage option will let the waystone deal with environmental contamination like the Dhar background in Sylvania or Praag more rapidly?
No, for massive levels of existing magic levels the storage isn't the bottleneck. It would mean they'd have a greater immediate effect, though.
 
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