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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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BoneyM said:
The current totality of an economic system in Karak Eight Peaks is nada. The Undumgi could, if you command them, become the economic heart of the newborn Karak. If someone else gets the job, something else will take the economic fore. There are no other duties attached to the role because there currently is no economy attached to the Karak.

'Learning Advisor' being in charge of technological advancement is false. Abelhelm had an architect who spent all his time building castles and roads and forts. The 'Learning' slot can be any learned profession the ruler thinks will help.
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A focus on "trades and tolls", on what's liable to be the next Constantinople, sounds like a perfect seed for a world-wide spy ring, no?
 
I admit, becoming the financial heart of freaking Karag Eight-Peaks sounds damn appealing. Granted, we'd probably be setting new records for bullshitting the bursar, but that's all in good fun.
 
I'm still interested in what "Belegar Quest Hero Unit Mathilde" would look like.
The character Belegar puts on to boost the most difficult and/or critical roll of the turn.
 
Apologies for being pushy but i think you missed my question earlier.

@BoneyM

Would it be possible to convince Belegar to add more positions to his council?
 
I can see where a little bit of the frustration comes from here; there's a sense that by putting any person in the slot they are robbing the Karak of much-needed expertise in some other category. If the miner is selected for Stewardship, the halflings won't get their farms running properly, and so forth.

There are two defenses against this:

First, people don't sit around on their butts if not directly controlled. If the halflings aren't on the council as stewardship they're still going to grow plants, it will just be happening in a less organized manner with less Council control.

Second, if the Council wants to control it, then there's a system in place for that- the Stewardship advisor assigned a sub-organization with a lieutenant as its leader and then permanently dedicates a half-action to oversight, as per how our intel networks and the Watch worked in Stirland. This means that any advisor in any category can actually get at least some of the benefits and actions of all the other advisor picks.

So if Mathilde takes the Learning advisor slot it doesn't mean that Karak Eight Peaks will have a shitty engineering guild, it means that she'll need to make the engineering guild one of her overseen organizations in order to give Belegar reports on it and let him issue it orders. Likewise if she is in the Martial slot she'd better coordinate with the thanes because she doesn't have a lot of experience in ordering around conventional dwarf Throngs and seeing to their maintenance and operations.

If we don't want one of the Council slots, and want a more limited scope of responsibility, then this just flips around- essentially, we end up as the Council advisor's Julia character (referencing Stirland again). So if we want to oversee Karag Nar and trade but nothing else we choose the No Slot option and then approach the person chosen about that, if we want to go assassinating skaven we approach the internal martial advisor about setting us up with a Royal Assassin's Office, if we want to poke waystones we talk to the Learning Advisor about a waystone-poking budget and writ of authorization.

@BoneyM, am I generally on track here?
 
veekie said:
On Learning advisor posts...remember back in Abelhelm's council?
The Learning Advisor was Schultz, an architect, who spent most of his time mapping the castle, building extensions and upgrading defensive holdings, not doing R&D. Abelhelm used him mainly as an additional Stewardship Advisor in effect.

So I believe its basically:
-Dwarf Engineer - Mainly assigned tasks regarding providing more warmachines to Eight Peaks, especially Gyrocopters. If Mathilde is holding the post the job will go to the Martial or Stewardship advisor instead
-Runesmith - Mainly assigned tasks regarding additional runic gear, runic wards, and such. If Mathilde is holding the post the job will go to the Martial or Stewardship advisor instead
-Wizard - Mainly assigned tasks regarding investigating lingering Greenskin, Skaven or Waystone weird shit, doubling up as a secondary Martial or Intrigue advisor for the purpose of actively doing weird shit to people.


Also re-reading I can't believe we never found anything odd of Abelhelm being so incredibly well informed about magical matters and methodologies whenever it came up, while simultaneously fairly ignorant of academic custom and social circles.
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But what does it mean then for the other tasks? Are we basically just adding bonuses to our favored areas, basically, and possibly negatives to non-favored? I admit that does make sense.
 
TotallyNotEvil said:
A focus on "trades and tolls", on what's liable to be the next Constantinople, sounds like a perfect seed for a world-wide spy ring, no?
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Literally what the previous Stirland spymaster did!
Alliterate said:
I'm still interested in what "Belegar Quest Hero Unit Mathilde" would look like.
The character Belegar puts on to boost the most difficult and/or critical roll of the turn.
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Seems more like the unit applied to non-dwarfly problems.

Like "X is weird, throw wizard at weird thing"
 
runeblue360 said:
The key words there being "The first obedience of every Magister must be to the ideals and laws of Sigmar's Holy Empire". Considering how often the leaders of said Empire act against its best interests, I don't think keeping shit to ourselves is particularly controversial. If we tell people and they act on it, that could severely damage the relationship between the race, which is obviously outside the interests of our home.
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Man you're comment is just couched a lot of wishy washy "well this rly hold up" type stuff.
Just say:

"Betraying the trust of the King Belegar goes against the Ideals of Sigmar's Holy Empire that was founded upon Dwarven friendship."

Personally I don't agree with you, but your comment bugged me.
 
EVA-Saiyajin said:
I do have problems with the different perspective, but no.

Think of it like this. You're told you are in charge of managing the humans.

That's it.

Then right as you're thinking of how things can go and mentally revising your vote strategies as far as convincing people and such...

You get told that you're in charge of all economic aspects.

Now, is there a big difference between the two? Yes. And that's my issue, that we were told something very, very different from what we were actually going to get.

Being a leader of a single race in a kingdom is very different from handling every economic aspect.

Being a spymaster handling information and deception and intrigue is very different from commanding whole military forces.

And handling arcane stuff is very different from handling all research and development.
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I think you're getting hung up on what these positions mean in long-established Kingdoms or provinces. The only economic aspects there will be in K8P is whatever the Steward makes. If Mathilde is the Steward, then that is probably going to mean the Undumgi. The responsibility of a Learning advisor here is not to push the world towards a steampunk revolution, but to be the one everyone turns to when something weird starts happening. The internal and external martial roles will have exactly as many troops as they decide they need, while everyone else will remain on the defences until Belegar calls them to battle.

SuperSonicSound said:
@BoneyM

Would it be possible to convince Belegar to add more positions to his council?
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No.

DarkLight140 said:
@BoneyM, am I generally on track here?
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Yes. Just like in Stirland, there'll be ways to select how much detail you pay to different parts of your area.
 
Found something funny in Realms of Sorcery. I mean, it's not inherently funny, but it's quite funny given Mathilde was a co-founder of the EIC and could possibly soon become Steward of an entire dwarf Karak.

 
If we jump in on the learning post, would the undumgi somehow be involved in that rather than stewardship and trade?
 
I think Stewardship would be a good idea, I mean we can quite easily give it a nice initial boost by using the EIC which has the side benefit of helping Stirland.
 
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BoneyM said:
I think you're getting hung up on what these positions mean in long-established Kingdoms or provinces. The only economic aspects there will be in K8P is whatever the Steward makes. If Mathilde is the Steward, then that is probably going to mean the Undumgi. The responsibility of a Learning advisor here is not to push the world towards a steampunk revolution, but to be the one everyone turns to when something weird starts happening. The internal and external martial roles will have exactly as many troops as they decide they need, while everyone else will remain on the defences until Belegar calls them to battle.
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Let me explain, I'm not upset about the jobs themselves.

I'm not the best at metaphors, but, very basically: imagine you're a child going to a party. You're pretty socially awkward, but your mother tells you there will only be three kids there you'll need to deal with. Ok, now you know. You show up, and there are three kids and four adults and two teenagers that for whatever reason you also have to deal with. That's pretty damn different from what you were told.

You are correct and it's well explained that we're not required to competently handle everything, it just came across as something very different in the initial descriptions so I felt mislead, like we'd been given only part of the details in such a way that it felt like it was all the details, but it turns out it wasn't.

I dearly want no hard feelings, but that's what it came across as, and I apologize if I seem to be seeing something entirely different that happened.

On that note, how long would a 6 favor hero tutoring in engineering take?
 
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Guile said:
If we jump in on the learning post, would the undumgi somehow be involved in that rather than stewardship and trade?
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Well, we'd have a good amount of access to them, so I assume we'd have more options to involve them than another learning councilor might. The solutions we'd each come up with are dependent on our expertise and available resources, after all.
 
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