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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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I think I've figured out the Elementalist's biggest problem: They don't have Arcane Marks! Elemental aspected magic can't normally sustain itself near Winds magic, but what if there could be some way to artificially make an Elementalist's soul become part Elemental-magic? That would give Elementalists a constant source of their magic like Teclesian mages have, and may help them shield outside sources of Elemental magic from Winds magic. That, or an "Elemental Arcane Mark" would instantly transmute into Winds on first contact, with horrible, horrible consequences. We just need to find an adventurous Elementalist willing to risk their soul for a few experiments! :V
 
Derpmind said:
I think I've figured out the Elementalist's biggest problem: They don't have Arcane Marks! Elemental aspected magic can't normally sustain itself near Winds magic, but what if there could be some way to artificially make an Elementalist's soul become part Elemental-magic? That would give Elementalists a constant source of their magic like Teclesian mages have, and may help them shield outside sources of Elemental magic from Winds magic. That, or an "Elemental Arcane Mark" would instantly transmute into Winds on first contact, with horrible, horrible consequences. We just need to find an adventurous Elementalist willing to risk their soul for a few experiments! :V
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See that is why they run from the grey wizards, it's a survival instinct...
 
Derpmind said:
I think I've figured out the Elementalist's biggest problem: They don't have Arcane Marks! Elemental aspected magic can't normally sustain itself near Winds magic, but what if there could be some way to artificially make an Elementalist's soul become part Elemental-magic? That would give Elementalists a constant source of their magic like Teclesian mages have, and may help them shield outside sources of Elemental magic from Winds magic. That, or an "Elemental Arcane Mark" would instantly transmute into Winds on first contact, with horrible, horrible consequences. We just need to find an adventurous Elementalist willing to risk their soul for a few experiments! :V
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Though, in all seriousness, maybe the increased Dhar explosion rate for Elementalism (in comparison to the Colleges) comes from them suffering that from the kind of miscast that would give a Wind-user an Arcane Mark in the same scenario, in addition to the kind of miscast that would also get a College wizard Dhar-bombed. Since I'm not sure earthbound magic aligned with an element can hold its conceptual resonance strongly enough to make a permanent alteration to someone's soul without the pressure turning it into something else.
 
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Derpmind said:
I think I've figured out the Elementalist's biggest problem: They don't have Arcane Marks! Elemental aspected magic can't normally sustain itself near Winds magic, but what if there could be some way to artificially make an Elementalist's soul become part Elemental-magic? That would give Elementalists a constant source of their magic like Teclesian mages have, and may help them shield outside sources of Elemental magic from Winds magic. That, or an "Elemental Arcane Mark" would instantly transmute into Winds on first contact, with horrible, horrible consequences. We just need to find an adventurous Elementalist willing to risk their soul for a few experiments! :V
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Sure they do! The Winds cause marks in the soul, being made of Sevir like the soul. Elementalism relies on Earthbound magic in reality, and correspondingly their arcane marks are of reality! Fire burns, rocks break bones, water partially drowns and air... well, air gives you chapped lips.

It's a work in progress; one you can help with, dear elementalist! I'm writing a paper on this, and need to run some experi- no, get back here test subject-
 
Deathbybunnies said:
Sure they do! The Winds cause marks in the soul, being made of Sevir like the soul. Elementalism relies on Earthbound magic in reality, and correspondingly their arcane marks are of reality! Fire burns, rocks break bones, water partially drowns and air... Well, air gives you chapped lips.

It's a work in progress; one you can help with, dear elementalist! I'm writing a paper on this, and need to run some experi- no, get back here test subject-
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Fly you fools! I will hold him back!
 
Abhorsen said:
Actually, @Boney, when is the next Grand Conclave? I know it happens every five years, but I don't know if that means every year divisible by five or if its shifted. The first was held by Magnus after the war against chaos, but IDK how much after.
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This year.

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And also, if the next Conclave is soon, can we try to pull an invite in order to try to do some interfaith diplo? Or is that simply impossible for a Wizard unless we are the high priest and we have enough authority to pull an Air Bud rule?
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What purpose would revealing herself as a Ranaldian at the Conclave serve better than approaching the cults individually as a Grey Wizard interested only in the betterment of the Empire as a whole?
 
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With this, Linguistics is now our best topic in the library, at a solid +16. Higher even than the Eonir (at +15) and Engineering (at +14). Those Lustrian books better watch out.
 
I just think it's a little embarrassing that as a Lady Magister of the Grey Order, we don't know our apprentice's low-teens intrigue stat, lol.
 
Wiggy said:
Oh wow. Did a bunch of people change their votes? I thought the backfill was still way ahead.
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Linguistics and Hoeth started with a major lead that only ever narrowed to a moderate lead. Back-fill was never in the lead.

Jyn Ryvia said:
Again, if we want to know, we can just do the teach Eike action.

I'm still fond of my idea of giving her the challenge of stealing our hat.
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ngl a bell test does sound fun.
 
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Boney said:
Cadai and Cytherai
Hoeth, Lord of Wisdom +5 - Extensive and Esoteric Eonir
Hekarti, the Hydra Queen +5 - Extensive and Esoteric Eonir
Loec, the Shadow Dancer +5 - Extensive and Esoteric Eonir
Addaioth, Bringer of Wrath and Fire +2 - Asrai, Asur
Hukon, the Sunderer +2 - Obscure Asur
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Huh, these seem to be out of alphabetical order. Or were they supposed to be separated by Cadai and Cytherai?
 
StormySky said:
Huh, these seem to be out of alphabetical order. Or were they supposed to be separated by Cadai and Cytherai?
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It's currently very roughly arranged in vague groupings of major / less major / Ellinilli. An actual order will be worked out and applied once there's more Gods in there. Mathilde spends a lot of time pottering about the library trying to decide on the ideal ordering and arrangement of its various sections.
 
Boney said:
It's currently very roughly arranged in vague groupings of major / less major / Ellinilli. An actual order will be worked out and applied once there's more Gods in there. Mathilde spends a lot of time pottering about the library trying to decide on the ideal ordering and arrangement of its various sections.
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I just imagine that the we are a bit confused but supportive of Mathilde rearranging her echos every week. Not everyone can have self moving echos so that has to be confusing.
 
Tobtorp said:
I just imagine that the we are a bit confused but supportive of Mathilde rearranging her echos every week. Not everyone can have self moving echos so that has to be confusing.
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It actually makes some sense to the We, because they 'archive' memories in hibernating Web-Weavers and keep the most important memories hibernating in the walls of the most central and defended chambers. Every now and then a We nest will suddenly erupt with activity as the Web-Weavers rearrange themselves based on what information seems most important in the current circumstances.
 
Parabola said:
With this, Linguistics is now our best topic in the library, at a solid +16. Higher even than the Eonir (at +15) and Engineering (at +14). Those Lustrian books better watch out.
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Presumably, this means The Librarian (LibrarWean? LibrarWe? Not sure whether to go full discworld reference or pun...)

Anyways, presumably, this means The Librarian is getting shockingly good theoretical background on Language, Engineering, annnd *checks, sees all the Civilized Realms and Enemies of Man topics sitting at +10 through +13* foreign politics?

Edit: At least, if the long discussion of literature is any indication.
 
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Boney said:
What purpose would revealing herself as a Ranaldian at the Conclave serve better than approaching the cults individually as a Grey Wizard interested only in the betterment of the Empire as a whole?
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I thought that Mathilde was effectively a public Ranaldian among people with any familiarity with dwarves (including Sigmarites), given the fairly public announcement from the Ancestor Cult Conclave, so it wouldn't be a large cost, instead the cost would be the public acknowledgement. From your statement, I presume I'm wrong about this?

As for why the conclave, I figured it was likely that the Empire's internal handling of the Eonir's conversion to Ulric and the situation with Nordland would be formalized there if anywhere. Hence I thought the conclave would be exactly the best place to diplomatize this issue, given we have some Dwarven-granted influence we can lend to bear on the Sigmarites as a legal dwarf, and they are likely to be the biggest stumbling block.
 
Abhorsen said:
As for why the conclave, I figured it was likely that the Empire's internal handling of the Eonir's conversion to Ulric and the situation with Nordland would be formalized there if anywhere.
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We personally found out in 2482, 8 years ago.

There's already been at least one Conclave since the Eonir took up Ulric worship, more likely two.
 
Abhorsen said:
I thought that Mathilde was effectively a public Ranaldian among people with any familiarity with dwarves (including Sigmarites), given the fairly public announcement from the Ancestor Cult Conclave, so it wouldn't be a large cost, instead the cost would be the public acknowledgement. From your statement, I presume I'm wrong about this?
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From what we've seen I think the dwarfs really didn't want to talk about ranald and vlag too much. They had to when it happened but they got to a ... Reasonable(?) Conclusion and now let it lie. But I doubt they announced it to everyone... We know it because belegar knew it.
 
Abhorsen said:
I thought that Mathilde was effectively a public Ranaldian among people with any familiarity with dwarves (including Sigmarites), given the announcement from the Ancestor Cult Conclave, so it wouldn't be a large cost, instead the cost would be the public acknowledgement. From your statement, I presume I'm wrong about this?
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Only if you prompted people with 'remember that weird statement the Dwarves made about a Dwarf soul Ranald stole? that was her'. Most people were briefly confused, then forgot about it.

Abhorsen said:
As for why the conclave, I figured it was likely that the Empire's internal handling of the Eonir's conversion to Ulric and the situation with Nordland would be formalized there if anywhere. Hence I thought the conclave would be exactly the best place to diplomatize this issue, given we have some Dwarven-granted influence we can lend to bear on the Sigmarites as a legal dwarf, and they are likely to be the biggest stumbling block.
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You're going to need to actually say what you think Mathilde should be trying to achieve instead of just waving vaguely at the entire situation before I can actually judge how possible it is.
 
Boney said:
Only if you prompted people with 'remember that weird statement the Dwarves made about a Dwarf soul Ranald stole? that was her'. Most people were briefly confused, then forgot about it.
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Ah, I had thought this was easier to link with Mathilde, thanks for this.

Boney said:
You're going to need to actually say what you think Mathilde should be trying to achieve instead of just waving vaguely at the entire situation before I can actually judge how possible it is.
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Specifically, to stop the schisming Ulricans from getting the rest of the cults (especially sigmarites) to "reclaim the Empire's land from the those wood elves" or something else bad, either by papering over the schism enough that it becomes a reform instead or more likely by convincing the Sigmarites that cooperating with the Eonir is in the best interests of both the Empire and Dwarves.

As a side benefit, while we are there, advance Ranald the dealer as a more sanctioned god/ give hedgewise some cover as being priests of Haletha, but that's more targets of opportunity.
 
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