I actually wonder what we're going to spend CF on after Orb flex.
For the matter I'd really hope the reward for Orb flex isn't just more CF because we'd have way more than we could possibly spend then.
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I actually wonder what we're going to spend CF on after Orb flex.
For the matter I'd really hope the reward for Orb flex isn't just more CF because we'd have way more than we could possibly spend then.
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Making Rite of Way was four actions, not an insignificant amount of spent time. Well worth it, but still. And "as long as we don't die there really isn't a downside to knowing it" is a pretty big disclaimer.
I'll support learning more BM spells, but it's neither pressing nor needed right now.
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I legitimately think the best use of Mathilda during a brewing war with the EverChosen would be acting as a messenger/envoy. She is able to RAPIDLY get around the Old World with her various tools/spells/vehicles. She has incredible combat poweress, but her ability to just get one place to another is stupidly valuable.
This is also getting into her strong connections with the Dwarfs and possibly soon the elves of the Old World.
This is also getting into her strong connections with the Dwarfs and possibly soon the elves of the Old World.
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I'd be down to learn pendulum or pit a turn before we go on elfcation. Wouldn't hurt(TM).
I want a Sevirscope. Besides that I have no clue. Having Melkoth teach us some BM would be cool (pretty sure with his help we our modifier to reach BM reaches +100) but we can get him for 10 CF
Making RoW was 4 actions. Learning Mistifying Miasma and Smoke and Mirrors were 1 action each. I don't think learning another BM would be any different unless we fail (but the same can be said about any action)
Algard might be even better for the Pit since he's probably the most advanced in terms of pocket dimensions.
We might also collaborate with him on the pocket realm research - though in that case we can probably bring enough stuff to the table that we wouldn't need to pay him.
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Not sure Melkoth is any better at teaching regular battle magic than any other wizard who knows it? He had an extra boost to Melkoth's because he's really really good at it.
I mean, the main benefit of Orb Flex is that Mathilde personally possesses a full set of Orbs of Sorcery that she can dispose as she wishes.
Personally, I'd certainly want to keep the Uglu orb for ourself once we've done our show and tell. And use the others to reward our allies and friends and/or to bribe people when we need favors.
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The impression I had was that the intention of the Orb Flex was to turn up to the Grey College with a full set, hand them over and leave. Not to hold a show and tell and then keep them.
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We are likely to get a generous offer to hand them over for.
I mean, if that's what the thread votes to do fine, but personally, I'd certainly like to keep them and dispose of them as we wish rather than just give the full set for CF that we already have other ways to gain.
Hell, if we want CF, even just giving away one or two of the orbs we need the less would probably net us more than enough. Once we have done our flex of showing we know how to produce the orbs we don't need to give them away?
I'd certainly like to experiment enchanting with an Orb of Sorcery, I'm sure Egrimm would also love to do so.
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I think it will most likely work like the Drafts favor in which we give it to the Colleges and the we can ask them for something in a limited capacity when we want. For example, asking the Gold college to build us a Sevirscope.
Mark be down on the 'no battle magic camp'. Mathilde is too personally valuable to blow up casting Penumbral Pendulum or something and it would narratively speaking be a miserable way to die, not to mention undermining her legacy of 'safe wizardry with dwarfs'. I cannot really think of a realistic situation where we have to play artillery, which is to say that no one else is available to do so and also where one wizard's worth of battle magic will turn the tide. I mean look at the battle in the forest, we used our mobility to get more battle mages who then helped with the battle.
But what if there had been no battle mages to hand, none at all that we could call on?
Well we sure as hell aren't trying to contest Drycha and company on our own, peace out and godspeed to Kislev I guess
But what if it is a battle we cannot afford to lose, K8P is about to Fall, Laurelorn is being burned by beastmen, the Empire is falling to the Everchosen?
Then we have already lost and all that remains to be decided is what our death scene will be and in that situation personally I would rather it not be 'miscast and exploded like a chump'
But what if there had been no battle mages to hand, none at all that we could call on?
Well we sure as hell aren't trying to contest Drycha and company on our own, peace out and godspeed to Kislev I guess
But what if it is a battle we cannot afford to lose, K8P is about to Fall, Laurelorn is being burned by beastmen, the Empire is falling to the Everchosen?
Then we have already lost and all that remains to be decided is what our death scene will be and in that situation personally I would rather it not be 'miscast and exploded like a chump'
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I doubt it would be CF, rather than something like a Collegiate Great Deed. That said, I'm just saying the impression I had, formed partially from the conversation and partially around the fact that the trhead kept wanting to wait until Mathilde had a full set, specifically so it would be more impressive.
Yeah, but nothing would stop us from trading some of theOrbs at a later date when we actually need the favors.
On the other hand, good luck getting them back if we need them once we handed them over.
We still get to impress people by showing we actually made a full set and publishing an article on how we did it.
As for "something like a Collegiate Great Deed", we could wait until we actually give need such a thing to give away a very potent negociation tool. It's not like their value is likely to drop. And I think that even just one or two orbs might be enough for such a "great deed".
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We could just make more, that's kind of the point of revealing them.
I mean we do have enough AV for two full sets and in 2 years that would be three full sets, so we could technically drop the first set for a metric ton of CF then just buy 16 power stones make two more sets of which we hand over one for a Great Deed or similar and keep the last set.
Wasn't the idea that we sell the initial set to the Colleges in return for ???.
We definitely need to bring the other Colleges in. It isn't a real Flex if we're only flexing on the Greys.
No we need every LM that can get to Altdorf to acknowledge Mathilde dominance in the field of magical research.
Dragomas can still be number one in combat at least for a short while longer but Mathilde's talents in magical scholarship shall no longer be denied by detractors!
...I assume we have detractors don't we? Well if we don't then we're obviously so good that we defeated all detractors before they could even become our detractors - take that Melkoth!
We cannot make them one at a time... well we can but at ruinous AV cost, they have to be made 8 at a time.
Thinking about the theory of Dragomas being a dragon... What do you think of asking him to help us set some kind of book trade with Cathay for the Amber Orb?
In any case I can't really think of a situation where Mathilde needs to have a Grey Orb of Sorcery at hand that a powerstone wouldn't have sufficed.
In any case I can't really think of a situation where Mathilde needs to have a Grey Orb of Sorcery at hand that a powerstone wouldn't have sufficed.
Yeah, but we don't NEED to give away a full set. The colleges already have some so just donating a full set away in hope that we'll get something of worth back seems like a good way to end up disappointed when we don't get as much as we hoped.
Much better in my opinion to flex and let others know that we have a full set. Then, if people want one, they can make us an offer. This way we are much more likely to get more value out of them.
And then there is the fact that this way we can actually keep some of the orbs to use ourselves, help our allies or trade later with the truly bigshots that might not be swayed by CF.
As for making another set, we'd have to spend a very precious ressource... AP. And AV is also pretty valuable I guess, both to us and other magical traditions (we already know we can trade it to runesmiths).
I do not think we have to spent AP, I may be remembering this wrong but @Boney said we only need to watch the first time. As for AV being valuable well it is to runemsiths. I don't think we trust any other mages to tell them about the accidental daemonology so is dwarf favor very valuable to us right now? I mean look at how little of it we spend.
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We give the full set for maximum pizazz.
We already get the pizazz for showing the full set and owning it.
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