Yeah, we need to become a more powerful Wizard Lord, and possibly get specialized Battle Magic training, before tackling Battle Magic with a modicum of safety. Probably just pick up Smoke and Mirrors with one or two other Battle Magics. Honestly, just Smoke and Mirrors might do it, since it pairs so well with Shadow Knives and our Mastered Dread Aspect. Just Mathilde, teleporting around, throwing out magic knives to kill heroes while her shadow crushes grunts nearby, Nightcrawler poof away and continue until every enemy of Man and Dwarf is dead.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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[X] This is Dawongr Weber's money. The funds will largely go projects within the Karaz Ankor - your tower for one, but also investing in the Undumgi or Ulrikadrin, or purchasing goods made by Dwarven artisans or sold in the markets of Barak Varr.
[X] Karag Nar penthouse
[X] Write a series of papers on the magical phenomena you witnessed. Or better yet, get your Journeymanlings to do the actual writing.
[X] There's a growing concentration of royalty here. Get to know King Kazador, and this 'Sky-Thane' Prince Gotri.
[X] Scout the rest of the Eight Peaks, to find out what other horrors are waiting out there
[X] Karag Nar penthouse
[X] Write a series of papers on the magical phenomena you witnessed. Or better yet, get your Journeymanlings to do the actual writing.
[X] There's a growing concentration of royalty here. Get to know King Kazador, and this 'Sky-Thane' Prince Gotri.
[X] Scout the rest of the Eight Peaks, to find out what other horrors are waiting out there
Quite a ways away from being good odds, then; although I wonder if the 'best possible conditions' include a proper staff and grounding rod, or if it was 'best possible' for what we had at the time of comment specifically.
(I hope we get a chance to fill out the lower levels of our spellbook in the near future, those unlearned spells taunt me)
Isn't Smoke and Mirrors the exception, seeing as how it can count as FC and not BM so long as you pair it with one of our FC spells?
(I hope we get a chance to fill out the lower levels of our spellbook in the near future, those unlearned spells taunt me)
Isn't Smoke and Mirrors the exception, seeing as how it can count as FC and not BM so long as you pair it with one of our FC spells?
We don't have to, but we can use a 'small' portion of our current vault of wealth to pay it off completely.
Apparently, it's both interest free, and being paid off trickle-wise with (some/all?) of the current revenue from EIC.
Thinking about it, we are doing the job of outwards focused spymaster, right?
Given that both Thorgrimm and Finubar are pretty much cemented in their roles as rulers for the next few decades, i wonder if we are going to be involved in the Aliathra affair. The whole "Getting the Everchild on a mission of Dwarven-Elven peace kidnapped out from under Karaz-A-Karaks nose by a vampire" thing. It is kinda Thorgrimms affair, but Manfred moved her to Nagashizzar - meaning he needs to go past Karak Eight Peak. We might get a chance to sword Manfred von bloody Carstein in his ugly face. I am kind of looking forward to that.
Given that both Thorgrimm and Finubar are pretty much cemented in their roles as rulers for the next few decades, i wonder if we are going to be involved in the Aliathra affair. The whole "Getting the Everchild on a mission of Dwarven-Elven peace kidnapped out from under Karaz-A-Karaks nose by a vampire" thing. It is kinda Thorgrimms affair, but Manfred moved her to Nagashizzar - meaning he needs to go past Karak Eight Peak. We might get a chance to sword Manfred von bloody Carstein in his ugly face. I am kind of looking forward to that.
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It has zero interest, and gets paid of the income of the EIC. It'll solve itself, bar an economic collapse in Stirland, and we're probably heading to a boom.
deathofrats0808
Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
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I mean, yes. There are suggestions it's in some way sentient.
Perhaps a better term then would be simplistic. And oddly self contained. It has no effects on its wielder. I'd still prefer the Moonbow.
So, it's not about how rare they are and instead about the loss of skill and knowledge over the past four and a half thousand years?
Minorly nitpicky things though, there was no 5th edition dwarven armybook, and the article, being from 2002 would be from 6th. Which the Dwarves arguably got two books for.
If I'm remembering what was stated correctly, Smoke+Mirrors can also be cast as battlemagic alone, or you can weave it into an FC or battlemagic spell and get no extra miscast chance. Lore traits must be hell to add to quests like this.
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I'm pretty sure Widowmaker is explicitly the most powerful weapon in the setting. Full stop, do not pass go, move over Everchosen, etc. Granted I think we've only ever seen Aenarion use it not counting End Times- but everything from him rolling over Greater Daemons without the Vortex nerfing them to the horrific bloodline curse activated just by wielding it suggests it's the real deal. I mean even the Fellblade only kills it's user.
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We would fucking die. We're far away from being able to handle one of Vlad's First Born's.
SuperSonicSound
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More or less.
The dwarf army book that I called fifth edition was released in 1996, what edition would you consider that?
Any way regardless here's a scan from the white dwarf article.
Hmm, I do wonder what Manny's current statline and equipment look like; If he does in fact wander past and not decide to go elsewhere/another route I'd like to see how he'd stack up to a Undumgi/ranger patrol we'd be able to cobble together on short notice (assuming we see him coming).
Ehhhh, it's several decades in the future, if it happens at all, so Mathilde has time to grow equipment and skill-wise. And to be fair, i would be content to just drop the mother of all dispells on his undead army.
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Better git gud then. Maybe get a sweet sword. Maybe read the Libis Mortis and just unmake his whole army.
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Seven gremlins in a trench coat
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I'm not sure if you meant this with your phrasing but this is basically calling the Belt not amazing, which by the standards of everyone in universe and most of the thread is not the case. I mean look how good it is with just "you are literally immune to corruption". That's bonkers.
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Which is an ironic manner of describing one's deadliness given Vlad himself is most notably known for dying again and again...I mean, I didn't LIKE that and much preferred in Liber Mortis where he killed a dozen Stigoi Ghoul Kings out for his head, but still.
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At the same time, we've yet to run across anything that needed more killing than our regular, non-runic greatsword.
Our two urk warboss kills to our name are 'shot him from across the room' and 'stabbed him while he was chanting', both one shot kills.
When we were spotted during the assassination we tricked them into running face first into Burning Shadows. At no point during either of these encounters did we need some incalculably valuable sword to get shit done.
I know it's amazing and totally bonkers. Which is why I really, really, really want to know how it could be better. If this is 15, what would be 25? I really, really want to know.
deathofrats0808
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Thanks for the pic. And 4th, to answer your question. Along with the '96 Dark Elf book. Same year as 5th was released though, so I can get why you'd count them as the same, but I believe Dwarves was released before 5th had its core book some out, which is when I divide the editions. Or try to at least, because it's possible I'm mistaken, and should be counting that one as 5th, and not 4th.More or less.
The dwarf army book that I called fifth edition was released in 1996, what edition would you consider that?
Any way regardless here's a scan from the white dwarf article.
That is a very interesting scan btw, because it implies that either Alaric the Mad was a couple thousand years old, or that there was another, equivalent rune to the one that bears his name.
NavySeel
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In my opinion it would be a complete waste because I see no reason to ever take the belt off, in any situation.
Honestly I think it would be a personal insult to Kragg to just replace what might be one of his best works
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But had we been confident of counter ambushing our pursuers in melee we could have gotten another chance to scout.
I really can't stand this argument because it amounts to 'these dangerous choices we've made have yet to blow up in our face, why bother mitigating them'- just because we didn't need a tune weapon there doesn't mean it wouldn't have been incredibly useful or given us one hell of a fallback plan.
And there are things orders of magnitude scarier than a Goblin war boss or a Black Orc completely lost in prayer. Trying anything on vampires for instance would be beyond stupid as things stand.
I mean, we are, but is Belegar's Throng we're leading that far away?
There's no way Belegar wouldn't send people with us to try and salvage Elf-Dwarf reconciliation if we personally are getting involved in that issue.
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I would support siding with the one who Hugs the End.
Necromancy, Ulgumancy! Everything a mancy!
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SuperSonicSound
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I suppose the simplest lore explanation is that Master runes do interfere with each others operation as pre the book rules (instead of it just being a game mechanic) and that Those master runes are actually devolved recreations by later rune smiths trying to reverse engineer lost rune smith lore and making a rune that can't work with other runes of similar power.
deathofrats0808
Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
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Yeah. Or simply that whether the Runes interfere with each other is how they define Master Runes, and the loss of knowledge and skill has led to lesser runes becoming Master, as they no longer know whatever tricks there are to make runes work together better.