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Plus having them anyway as a redundancy would be a good idea and make the network more resilient.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
- Thread starter Boney
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- Fantasy Users' Choice!
Voted best in category in the Users' Choice awards.
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Maybe after we finish Branarhune, Morbs, RoW, Apparitions and don't have any pressing new stuff, we can do that alongside working on the Arcane Marks and picking up some of the strong AoE Battle Magic like Pendulum or Pit of Shades.
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- Actually pretty lost
To be honest, I'm not sure how we've "compromised" from two very similar plans to one very different plan. We've gone from the difference between mapping Tilea/Estalia and Apparition Binding, to dropping all of the WEB-MAT options and looking into river leylines.
Tasoli
Life is for Living
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- Behind the Keyboard.
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- Argentina
I strongly disagree that we should be focusing on a backup or on auxiliary measures wheb we have not finished the most important half of the proyect.
It is not that I am against the action on principle. I am against dedicating our limited AP to it now, when we haven't even started on the Foundation even. When we can make waystones, we can decide how to connect them, because for all we know, the Asur can look at how much the monkeys, the hillbillies and the dwarves have advanced on their own and propose an alliance on their own.
This post from Boney is quite important! Basicly, since our partners in the WP get to act on their own, writing articles and using the rituals and data gathered, it means that progress on the Waystone Network Restoration might be done even without our direct implication.
For example, considering how important the Kislev Waystones output is for the Ice Witches, I could see them trying to get started this soon with their own ressources. The same can probably be said for our partners that live in hazardous terrain such as the forest of shadows...
It kind of makes me want to research the Runic and Divine tributaries as soon as possible to increase the number of organisations that can use our rituals to build tributaries on their own...
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The solution to that is this action:
Shadow of Death is basically an inferior version of Dread Aspect, so it wouldn't add anything to our toolkit, but MAPP is cool, and Cloak Activity would be genuinely useful. The problem is that it's competing against a lot of other self improvement and personal research actions, including Branarhune, Apparitions, Windherding, etc.
For the record, Sword and Codifying has not taken the lead, Sword and Codifying is tied with the apparition variant. And Windfall is losing to both, despite previously winning before, because more votes for Windfall were dropped in the name of compromise then for apparition binding.
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- South Africa
Because for many I believe and myself certainly, the question wasn't between starting apparations and doing mapping, but between do we start another multiturn action before finishing our current multi-turn action plans. Swords seeks to address this issue by aiming to finish swords.
For me personally this was my prefered plan and so instead of dropping votes as a compromise I dropped my approval vote.
Tasoli
Life is for Living
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- Behind the Keyboard.
Somebody voted last page with an edit I think.
The best compromise is the one I'm happy withThe best compromise is the one nobody is happy with;
. Which I am, because voting for the previous leader was my compromise.Sure, it's arguably more efficient (I went back and forth on this, actually). But I don't particular mind the change in order, since rivers is something I definitly want to do with decently high priority, and it's pretty useful to have around before elve talks.
But for me, the project action just isn't as important as the personal business part, since both plans do capstone and deploying tributaries.
It has, because there's a misspelt Sword vote you didn't merge in, but AFAICT no misspellt windfall vote.
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- New Brunswick, NJ
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There's one Codifying and Swords that isn't being tallied with the rest because the tally is dumb, so its real vote count is one above what a tally says unless you manually combine them.
That said, if Red Rider variant passes Codifying and Swords, I will restore my votes for the Lore and Metal variants.
Yeah, it'd be nice to finish the spellbook, but that is purely for a sense of completionism, it doesn't really *do* anything for us. I guess if we wanted to teach then to Eike it would help, but there's resources for that that don't require us to burn the ap.
Tasoli
Life is for Living
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- Behind the Keyboard.
Wait what? Not everybody is watching the thread constantly we go back and some people will be left behind and will feel tricked.
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- Oklahoma
Shadow of Death is just an inferior version of a spell we already know (Dread Aspect), and while there are use cases for Cloak Activity it really isn't worth the AP on its own.
As for 'embarrassing'- considering how dangerous magic is, and how everyone is in AP hell, I'd wager that most wizards only learn new spells when they have an actual need for them, and that a 'gotta collect em all' mindset is pretty rare even at the LM level.
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- Chicago
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This begs the question of why we have the action to share internationally with them available to us then, if taking it would be pure waste.
Re: completing the spellbook... Everyone knows that the game spellbook is an abstraction and simplification of all the spells the grey college actually has, right? Even ignoring personal stuff, that whole set of enchanting cantrips has been super useful and isn't on that list.
What's the point of 'completing' an incomplete list?
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MAPP is more for the sentimental value (and teaching Eike), but I seem to recall Regimand dunking on Mathilde with Cloak Activity a few times. It's not a hard numbers-go-up improvement, but it is the kind of thing that Boney weaves into the background narrative.
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- New Brunswick, NJ
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- He/Him/His
If giving peace a chance with my second-favorite option doesn't work out, obviously I'm going to go back to supporting my favorite option instead of just letting my dispreferred option win. I'm not going to sneakily backstab and put Windfall in the lead while Codifying and Swords is still winning, but I'm also not going to just shrug and go "whatever" if the compromise option fails to pan out. I would expect the same to be true of the Red Rider people if Windfall took the lead; I'm not going to expect them to shrug and accept Windfall's victory instead of restoring their votes for their preference.
As mathymancer pointed out, more Windfall people "disarmed" and voted only for Codifying and Swords than Red Rider people. If Red Rider uses this opportunity to take the lead instead, I don't think it's trickery at all for Windfall to restore their votes.
Is there a chance of Bretonnia joining the project after we get the first tributaries started and without doing the orc action?
I feel like they hinted at being more interested if we show results.
I feel like they hinted at being more interested if we show results.
Yeah, I've been wondering that myself, we definitely have a degree of results at this point. I wonder if the lady of the lake counts as a water spirit lol?
Look, I get that you are coming at this with the best of intentions but this whole thing is a recipe for disaster. Once you start changing votes contingent on other people changing their votes it is hilariously easy to leave people feeling cheated, whether or not any malice was involved. Changing your vote in the way you say you intend to change it could be seen as cheating, as could not changing your vote because objectively speaking the Windfall voters have "paid" with about as many votes as the apparitions voters - but good luck counting this with any amount of certainty.
Approval voting already allows for compromise votes. If you think Swords and Codifying is a good compromise, the way to push that is to try and convince people voting for only one of the two top leads to add a vote to it. And it might win that way! Swords and Codifying was steadily rising and it's not at all impossible it would've overtaken the top plans. To be clear, if you've personally decided that Codifying and Swords is the better plan go right ahead, but I seriously think you should reconsider this whole vote changing thing.
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