deathofrats0808
Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
- Location
- Earth
Not that far, at least for Mathilde. Quite a distance for an army on the march, but only like, a week's ride for us.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
- Thread starter Boney
- Start date
- Fantasy Users' Choice!
Voted best in category in the Users' Choice awards.
- Location
- Australia
If we want to combine divine magic with shadow magic, maybe something like the sunken palace would be better. We want something that meshes with both magic and Ranald, and a conspicuous wizard tower maybe doesn't mesh with Ranald.
EDIT: We should also check the colleges for any info on the subject. I'd say that since it's only discouraged rather than banned, it's likely some wizards have already tried what we're gonna do.
EDIT: We should also check the colleges for any info on the subject. I'd say that since it's only discouraged rather than banned, it's likely some wizards have already tried what we're gonna do.
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- Location
- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
While I strongly agree with your general point (that our donations in no way need to be restricted to the 10% "baseline"), I suspect that donating to the poor directly would also count as "tithing to Ranald".
What I'm curious about is whether setting up a temple to Shallya in our Fief would count - on the one hand, it's very directly giving money to help the most in need, but on the other hand, it seems strange to "double-dip" on divine sacraments like that. And on the third, made-of-Uglu hand, that seems like the kind of trick that Ranald would appreciate, especially given his history with Shallya.
While I strongly agree that we should stick with a greatsword for sentimental value (as opposed to switching to, say, a waraxe), I don't think Mathilde's particular greatsword is that important?
We'd still be using a weapon that is the symbol of the Grey College, still remain the last of the three swords of the EIC, and still be honouring our trainer with our weapon choice.
- Location
- Australia
We'd only be "double-dipping" on divine sacraments, that is, doing something with the divine that could conceivably cause us trouble, is if we try to get some kind of blessing or boon from Shallya. Just donating to them and that's that should be fine. Ranald's doctrine doesn't preach monotheism for its lay followers and we're no priest.
- Location
- Vancouver
He was the god of Pretending to be Robin Hood.
- Location
- Upon the back of the Great A'Tuin
- Location
- Aotearoa
No we're not. We never have.
Why has this hard 10% tithe idea taken root?
Certainly not from Boney:
In fact on looking, this post was him answering you about your earlier assumption that tithing is required.
As far as I can tell, we pay Ranald in amusement value.
- Location
- Australia
Nah, he was legit Robin Hood. Stole from the rich, gave to the poor. His trick to Shallya was making her think he was dying from disease; the acts that earned him her love were all real.
It was for the purpose of the argument. More generally, I think people have taken to the idea that even though we don't have to tithe 10%, it'd be good to do anyway, an optional thing to pursue.
Speaking of donations since we should probably tithe at least 10% of our gambling winnings to Ranald to avoid complete moral degeneracy I'm thinking the most expedient method to do so would be to simply build temples to Ranald and Shallya and provide funding here at Eight Peaks since we know there are going to be settlers.
You can't go wrong with making sure there's plenty of Shallya to go around.
You can't go wrong with making sure there's plenty of Shallya to go around.
- Location
- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
We're not obligated to tithe to him, but "1 coin in 10 belongs to Ranald" is consistently one of his strictures, and given that "donating to worthy charities" seems like a valid tithe to the Protector, and we're about to have a truly ludicrous windfall, I have no issues spending that amount of the money on charity.
- Location
- Berkeley
Honestly I'm thinking the ideal weapon for Mathilde would be a weird-ass custom job.
We're a hybrid caster/melee build, and both are actually relevant to our close combat, as our armor scales off our magic stat as do our combat spells. However, focusing everything on magic is quite sub-optimal, as our wind is not particularly suited to pure combat and our weapon skill is pretty respectable.
Then there's also our Blessed Weapon mastery. Any sword we hold is going to be fed Ulgu passively. On a magic weapon like we'd be getting in RPG/tabletop terms it would have no effects, but I imagine someone clever could use that to empower effects of a weapon, charge runes, or even just store the power in a powerstone for later use.
While tabletop obviously doesn't have much to work with in playing off these effects, the Runes in our belt plus how Boney's handled other things pretty clearly indicate that just because tabletop doesn't do it doesn't mean the people here can't. A relatively radical/innovative Runelord might be able to make something work with this combination that would blow a sword that is merely exceptionally stabby away.
We're a hybrid caster/melee build, and both are actually relevant to our close combat, as our armor scales off our magic stat as do our combat spells. However, focusing everything on magic is quite sub-optimal, as our wind is not particularly suited to pure combat and our weapon skill is pretty respectable.
Then there's also our Blessed Weapon mastery. Any sword we hold is going to be fed Ulgu passively. On a magic weapon like we'd be getting in RPG/tabletop terms it would have no effects, but I imagine someone clever could use that to empower effects of a weapon, charge runes, or even just store the power in a powerstone for later use.
While tabletop obviously doesn't have much to work with in playing off these effects, the Runes in our belt plus how Boney's handled other things pretty clearly indicate that just because tabletop doesn't do it doesn't mean the people here can't. A relatively radical/innovative Runelord might be able to make something work with this combination that would blow a sword that is merely exceptionally stabby away.
- Location
- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
What I've been wondering is if it's possible to turn the "+1 Magic" enchantment into a Rune, or at least adjust it so it acts like a Rune - thus leaving 2 other Rune slots open on whatever we apply it to.
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- Location
- Aotearoa
Uff.
We obtained our windfall in the process of leading six thousand soldiers of fortune through an explicit ritual gambling sacrament/big piss up to the glory of Ranald. We were so drunk, we hid the fact that we were using cunning to become filthy, filthy rich from our sober self.
Our 'tithe' will come in his gleeful popcorn-munching as Ranald watches us try to explain our latest (say) 15,000 gold windfall to the Grey College Bursars.
Anything we do with the money, is because Mathilde judges it wise, or good, or expedient, or necessary to notionally stay within the... ah... Vow of 'Poverty' she swore.
We obtained our windfall in the process of leading six thousand soldiers of fortune through an explicit ritual gambling sacrament/big piss up to the glory of Ranald. We were so drunk, we hid the fact that we were using cunning to become filthy, filthy rich from our sober self.
Our 'tithe' will come in his gleeful popcorn-munching as Ranald watches us try to explain our latest (say) 15,000 gold windfall to the Grey College Bursars.
Anything we do with the money, is because Mathilde judges it wise, or good, or expedient, or necessary to notionally stay within the... ah... Vow of 'Poverty' she swore.
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- Location
- Australia
I'm thinking at least one Rune of Dismay on our greatsword to make us even more terrifying.
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
- Location
- Vermont
I'm just going to say what's been said before: Boney get's a lot more creative when you leave the details to him. If we had given Kragg exact details on what we wanted on the belt (which would also make no sense in universe, we know nothing about Rune Lore) we would have gotten a by the rules belt. We gave him "Protection" and got one that breaks rules. And is just generally more interesting.Rules are that each weapon can have no more than 1 master rune, and 3 runes max (including a master rune). What runes should we get for our greatsword, and what runes for our pistol?
I'm thinking at least one Rune of Dismay on our greatsword to make us even more terrifying.
When the time comes, I'm asking "Make me a really deadly greatsword" and I'll be satisfied with what we get.
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- Location
- Berkeley
Mathilde: "I got drunk and may have made a few impulsive choices."
Bursar: "Wish that happened to me when I got drunk and acted on impulse.... You planning on drinking more next year? I need to know for budgeting reasons." (Aside: and certainly not because I got sloshed before our last scholarship meeting)
Given how the Runed belt buckle we got worked, odds are that we just give a general purpose and let them do what they can with it for best results.Rules are that each weapon can have no more than 1 master rune, and 3 runes max (including a master rune). What runes should we get for our greatsword, and what runes for our pistol?
I'm thinking at least one Rune of Dismay on our greatsword to make us even more terrifying.
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- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
If we do receive 15,000 gold, I don't think spending 1,500 of it to help others is a particularly big ask - frankly, given that Mathilde generally tries to be a good person, we may well have done that anyway even without making any special effort.
No, we're not obligated to do it - we weren't obligated to hold a service to Ranald at all, after all. I just think it would be a nice thing to do.
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deathofrats0808
Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
- Location
- Earth
Ignoring what other people have said about creativity and that sort of thing, a Rune of Dismay isn't going to help. We can already generate terror if we want, and fear isn't actually a spectacular effect.Rules are that each weapon can have no more than 1 master rune, and 3 runes max (including a master rune). What runes should we get for our greatsword, and what runes for our pistol?
I'm thinking at least one Rune of Dismay on our greatsword to make us even more terrifying.
I do agree that creating a temple to Shallya is a fitting way to spend the money, but I disagree with the "no priest" thing. We build and consecrated a temple of Ranald. We spread his word (not successfully that time with the watch, but we tried). We just held a service to Ranald, probably one of the biggest out there. We are a priest by pretty much any sensible standard, except perhaps an explicit command by Ranald to priest at people. But that's more like the level of prophet, not normal priest.
And I'll point out that we have received a vision of our god, followed by a divine artifact symbolic of all his facets, which incidentally can function like a supped-up mobile shrine. So I'm not sure you can get more Ranald priest than we are. Maybe by going to the priest club and having all the other priests go "Such Priest! Much piety." but I feel like that's doing it wrong.
- Location
- some computer lab
yeah, we don't have access to his Divine Lore, but neither do most professional priests in the empire.
- Location
- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
I feel like it's entirely on-theme for Ranald to keep the priest status of one of his priests hidden even from them, up until the moment that amuses him most. (Presumably when a series of increasingly implausible coincidences funnel Mathilde into a meeting of the various other faiths as a representative.)
Spend infinite money on charity, gain infinite favor.
On the meta level, tell Ranald about you Infinite Favor scam. He'll be amused, and you don't have to get scratched up for fucking around.
Then for the next level, go and convince some greedy noble that the infinite favor scam totally works, trust me, they just have to make a vow of poverty. When they do, distribute the money to actually poor people. Remember if someone offers to cut you in on a scam: There's only ever one non-professional in a con, and that's the mark.
For the final level, add pyramid scheme. If you're the first to be "poor", you'll get the money from everybody after you. Think how rich and lucky you'll be!
Fuck, that could actually work. I mean, the pyramid variant shouldn't be executed in any country you like stable, but I can see the base version working. You'd just need someone full enough of themselfs, but Chaos cultists and real life show that's not an issue.
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- Location
- Brazil
So, invent Wall Street?
- Location
- Australia
Might be possible to simplify it further. Turn the coin to the Deceiver side, go up to some rich noble who can stand to lose a bit of wealth. Tell him if he does the poverty-charity-receive donations chain, he'll get infinite protection and luck from Ranald while not really losing anything. Because of the coin he'll believe us, we take his cash, then properly donate it.
No violence, humiliates the rich, helps out the poor, and is right proper tricky. Ranald would love it.