- Location
- Canada
Hadn't considered Wilhelmine as a potential master. Given Eike's likely future in the EIC she'd be a fairly good choice. Better than I would have thought, assuming Eike still wants that sort of future.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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Voted best in category in the Users' Choice awards.
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- Revan
If we become her master, we might lose some opportunities on the small term because of the fact that we need to train her and stuff like that, but for the long term once we have tought her enough she can become our second pair of hands that could really help us on jobs or studies that require of multitasking as well as giving us another perspective on stuff.
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I consider an apprentice to be an AP sink that will dilute our progress in stuff and make it difficult to make…complicated, decisions.
Reiner seems promising to fix her diplomacy issues.
Reiner seems promising to fix her diplomacy issues.
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I want Eike as the Minithilde apprentice, but that +100 from before makes me believe Regimand is kinda lonely, and would enjoy getting a mini Mathilde as an apprentice, so i will throw a dice and entrust my future vote to Ranald.
Odd- Mathilde.
Even- Regimand.
Edit: Ranald has spoken, i will vote for Mathilde.
Odd- Mathilde.
Even- Regimand.
Edit: Ranald has spoken, i will vote for Mathilde.
Valarauko
Demon of Power
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- Angband
I really like Sarvoi. A social action well-spent. I might dare hope he might spend one of his social actions visiting Cython.
Poor Zlata. I do hope that vow is temporary.
Lucky Aksel. I don't believe we've ever been as plain about our religious inclinations with anyone else before.
Gib Apprent. Wilhelmine is the other possibility, if we were way too paperclip, but with her competencies being what they are, we really are extremely well-suited. Though I might suggest consulting with Wilhelmine for economic tutelage, given Eike's presumed career path is dominated by running the EIC to the benefit of the Empire (and also incidentally as a Grey Order front). Not sure what Starke's angle is, though I try not to instinctively mislike it; possibly her intrigue ability suggests itself to him as a successor to the Porterage?
Poor Zlata. I do hope that vow is temporary.
Lucky Aksel. I don't believe we've ever been as plain about our religious inclinations with anyone else before.
Gib Apprent. Wilhelmine is the other possibility, if we were way too paperclip, but with her competencies being what they are, we really are extremely well-suited. Though I might suggest consulting with Wilhelmine for economic tutelage, given Eike's presumed career path is dominated by running the EIC to the benefit of the Empire (and also incidentally as a Grey Order front). Not sure what Starke's angle is, though I try not to instinctively mislike it; possibly her intrigue ability suggests itself to him as a successor to the Porterage?
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
- Location
- Vermont
Given the revelation of the politics involved, it honestly makes me wonder if walking away without a deal would have prompted him to give better terms.
Eh, probably not worth thinking about.
She doesn't know any of them well enough to make an informed decision.
It ends when she graduates to Ice Witch.
To what end?
NuclearConsensus
Herald of the Thorned One
- Location
- the Philippines
I've been on the apprentice train for ages, so for me there might as well be no other choices.
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- Earth
Shouldn't it be "grandmother" here?
NuclearConsensus
Herald of the Thorned One
- Location
- the Philippines
It's a five even, Ranald really is gunning for Magic as fifth face.
continuation of the conversation mathlide and sarvoi were having and hearing it first hand from the ice dragon to sasitfy sarvoi curisoty on the subject in order for him to gain a better understanding of magic.
Yes, fixed.
Cython isn't really the type to go out of their way to help random Elves gain a better understanding of magic.
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Sarvoi is a delight, a true intellectual who earnestly wants to learn and teach, to expand his mind.
God, Mathilde was oozing her delight in dropping her source of a Hysh Dragon and their direct comparison between them and Marked wizards.
Alright yeah, he's cool.
This is the only vote for me. If Eike herself showed a strong leaning towards another, then I would want to give her that degree of choice. But those are the only circumstances. Eike has been Mathilde's apprentice mostly since the moment she showed her magic sensitivity, and definitely since she joined the Greys.
Also, those Affinity rolls are great. Extremely Mathilde.
God, Mathilde was oozing her delight in dropping her source of a Hysh Dragon and their direct comparison between them and Marked wizards.
Alright yeah, he's cool.
This is the only vote for me. If Eike herself showed a strong leaning towards another, then I would want to give her that degree of choice. But those are the only circumstances. Eike has been Mathilde's apprentice mostly since the moment she showed her magic sensitivity, and definitely since she joined the Greys.
Also, those Affinity rolls are great. Extremely Mathilde.
- Location
- Oklahoma
It's been pretty heavily suggested that AP should not be a concern here:
So this is really more about whether we want Apprentice Eike in the narrative than whether we can squeeze yet another thing into our schedule.
(I do, I really do.)
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- Earth
I meant both instances of "mother", since Eike's actual mother ran off after Wilhelmina paid her to hand Eike over. Sorry if I wasn't clear enough.
Missed the other one, that's fixed too. There's one mother left now, but that one's correct.
I said this to my therapist once. I didn't mean too, it just slipped out. One of my fondest memories.
Aw fudge we totally could have told the old man to get bent with his religious dedication and he would have had to beg us to join the project. He totally bluffed us there.
Also Sarvoi was a joy to talk to—you could actually see him confronting his biases and leaning to appreciate a different perspective on magic.
haha what she's older than Kislev? Time to panic, methinks.
Hubris is a cowards word, after all.
Good reminder that he may trust us, but he still has secrets he can't share.
Now this is interesting. Halétha has several faces, just like Her Father: Protector, Hunter, Midwife, Traveller. Hunter is clearly an imitation of the Night Prowler, and Traveller overlaps with Ranald the Dealer, whilst Midwife clearly comes from Her Mother. I wonder if the other sister is the same?
... The Dean has a secret identity as a prison convict in order to earn favour from a major guild. That's such a Grey College move.
Two Lords Magister want to personally take Eike as their apprentice. It could just be due to her connections, or she could be a particuarly talented wizard. A bit of both, probably.
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And what happens when the option comes up to help her progress, to go beyond in teaching? My experience suggests people will want to do so. I am not interested in that.
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
- Location
- Vermont
Definitely one benefit of having him around is that he wants to lecture way too much to engage in any kind of "I'll just sit here and smugly imply that I know secrets but won't tell them" kind of behavior.
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- on the way to the fire.
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I can see why you made the roll for her education now.
If the trick of the coin would have landed one of her best/want to be best at Stewardship, I could see a large portion of the thread agreeing to give her to Wilhelmine, the Bursar would fit in her perfectly, and that was already a possibility we thought when we offered the Grey college.
But best at Intrigue? and want to focus on learning? Like hell we are going to give up on that, Intrigue focus might help if we wanted to give her to starke and he could be good for helping her cover her Diplomacy troubles, but I can't see him being ideal for Learning. And I doubt the thread likes him enough for that anyway.
Only concern I possibly have is that Living in K8P and with Mathilde lifestyle we won't have the best setting to help her cultivate her talent with Intrigue to be even better, but learning wise we are set, and K8P is an excellent hub to help with diplomacy.
If the trick of the coin would have landed one of her best/want to be best at Stewardship, I could see a large portion of the thread agreeing to give her to Wilhelmine, the Bursar would fit in her perfectly, and that was already a possibility we thought when we offered the Grey college.
But best at Intrigue? and want to focus on learning? Like hell we are going to give up on that, Intrigue focus might help if we wanted to give her to starke and he could be good for helping her cover her Diplomacy troubles, but I can't see him being ideal for Learning. And I doubt the thread likes him enough for that anyway.
Only concern I possibly have is that Living in K8P and with Mathilde lifestyle we won't have the best setting to help her cultivate her talent with Intrigue to be even better, but learning wise we are set, and K8P is an excellent hub to help with diplomacy.
Hmm, Wilhemine would make a lot of sense -- the economic angle is sensible. But I'm actually tempted to pick Regimand too, for that Mathilde connection; telling Eike that she'll be mentored by the one that mentored Mathilde, somebody who is like -- or is actually -- a father figure to her.
Or we take and apprentice Eike ourselves. To me, it's currently up in the air whether I want Mathilde, Regimand, or Wilhelmine. Mathilde or Regimand are preferred though, because of that personal connection and closeness. Regimand wouldn't raise another Mathilde exactly though. Whereas under Mathilde... Eike would observe, among other things, how to get along with people and various races. Since currently Mathilde's job is trying to get man, elf, and dwarf united in purpose on a job.
On a different note, I've had a thought about magic percolating in my mind. It was when I was thinking about Rituals and about the Kislevite whistling wind thing and... And thinking about what is objective and what is subjective. I think, that repetition and tradition is huge for magic. Or, well, rather... Belief and practice are both important.
It goes something like this... Let's say that, metaphorically speaking, magic or the Aether is represented by a map or by geography.
The Gods, and most other magic systems, are nations or thinks that fit on a map. Mountains, rivers, and forests; and Gods probably being nations. Nations have a natiuonal character and histories and culture. They're usually marked by lines on a map, though the map is just a representation of a nation, as they're defined by the people and culture. They're something that is both subjective, in the sense that they're not an objective fact of reality or law of physics, but they're also something that is very real. Nobody would say that The Empire or Bretonnia doesn't exist. (Unless you were being cheeky on an exam, heh.)
You can make a country. You make it by tying together a people, by staking a claim and defending your land, and laying down the law and setting down traditions and cultures and everything that goes into making a nation. You make them via belief and practice, until it becomes set in reality.
What are the 8 Winds in this metaphor then? The 8 Winds are continents. They are not just national borders on a map and cultural borders on a land; they are the continental plates that make up the surface of the planet.
Continents are not a product of belief, they are a physical thing. They aren't something you make so easily... unless.
Unless, you were able to terraform an entire planet. Unless you were able to break apart the physical continental plates and recombine them however you wish. Unless you were able to fiddle with the core of the planet or the magma flow which directs how continental plates float atop the surface. (Sidenote; I'm wondering if the Slann's "corrections" to the continents might have been related now. I was, however, working on this national-maps-versus-continents as a metaphor though.)
... And I think that's what the 8 Winds are. Metaphorically speaking.
They are still a "construct" of the world. And they're still sort of subjective. But, they're all still pretty objective. And most traditions (nations) would not have enough depth of time to be able to match continents.
How do the Chaos Gods fit into this? Well, they don't fit into this metaphor.
They just make a mess of things.
This metaphor is also imperfect, because since everything is built atop continents, it implies that the 8 Winds are "more fundamental" than nations and landmarks, when that wasn't what I was trying to say. I was more trying to compare "How hard is it to do this?" and "How much depth of time and repetition and tradition is there here?" In that sense, a continent will probably stand the test of time; a nation might or might not.
I was trying to link Rituals and the Kislevite Winged Lancer thing to the 8 Winds, and using the metaphor of nations and continents...
The idea was something like this; if you do something long enough (in a magically resonant way? or in a way that affects the Aether? or is just time and repetition of an action, any action, enough? so long as it is done by an ensouled being? maybe?) it can affect the Aether; it can change the Aether.
On that scale of "time and effort", Gods are when you do something big enough and long enough that you get a nation.
And the 8 Winds are when you bust out the terraforming equipment -- "the Great Machines" -- and do something which will set the course of history for the rest of time to come.
"Rituals" might just be either about understanding "what levers to pull, like on a computer or slot machine, in the Aether in order to get an outcome"... or it might be "how to recognize magi-physical laws enough that you can determine how to get an effect in the Aether, via doing certain actions in the physical world."
Whereas stuff like the Winged Lancer thing is... "Aether-tradition" rather than "Rituals". I dunno. This was kind of rambling.
Or we take and apprentice Eike ourselves. To me, it's currently up in the air whether I want Mathilde, Regimand, or Wilhelmine. Mathilde or Regimand are preferred though, because of that personal connection and closeness. Regimand wouldn't raise another Mathilde exactly though. Whereas under Mathilde... Eike would observe, among other things, how to get along with people and various races. Since currently Mathilde's job is trying to get man, elf, and dwarf united in purpose on a job.
On a different note, I've had a thought about magic percolating in my mind. It was when I was thinking about Rituals and about the Kislevite whistling wind thing and... And thinking about what is objective and what is subjective. I think, that repetition and tradition is huge for magic. Or, well, rather... Belief and practice are both important.
It goes something like this... Let's say that, metaphorically speaking, magic or the Aether is represented by a map or by geography.
The Gods, and most other magic systems, are nations or thinks that fit on a map. Mountains, rivers, and forests; and Gods probably being nations. Nations have a natiuonal character and histories and culture. They're usually marked by lines on a map, though the map is just a representation of a nation, as they're defined by the people and culture. They're something that is both subjective, in the sense that they're not an objective fact of reality or law of physics, but they're also something that is very real. Nobody would say that The Empire or Bretonnia doesn't exist. (Unless you were being cheeky on an exam, heh.)
You can make a country. You make it by tying together a people, by staking a claim and defending your land, and laying down the law and setting down traditions and cultures and everything that goes into making a nation. You make them via belief and practice, until it becomes set in reality.
What are the 8 Winds in this metaphor then? The 8 Winds are continents. They are not just national borders on a map and cultural borders on a land; they are the continental plates that make up the surface of the planet.
Continents are not a product of belief, they are a physical thing. They aren't something you make so easily... unless.
Unless, you were able to terraform an entire planet. Unless you were able to break apart the physical continental plates and recombine them however you wish. Unless you were able to fiddle with the core of the planet or the magma flow which directs how continental plates float atop the surface. (Sidenote; I'm wondering if the Slann's "corrections" to the continents might have been related now. I was, however, working on this national-maps-versus-continents as a metaphor though.)
... And I think that's what the 8 Winds are. Metaphorically speaking.
They are still a "construct" of the world. And they're still sort of subjective. But, they're all still pretty objective. And most traditions (nations) would not have enough depth of time to be able to match continents.
How do the Chaos Gods fit into this? Well, they don't fit into this metaphor.
They just make a mess of things.This metaphor is also imperfect, because since everything is built atop continents, it implies that the 8 Winds are "more fundamental" than nations and landmarks, when that wasn't what I was trying to say. I was more trying to compare "How hard is it to do this?" and "How much depth of time and repetition and tradition is there here?" In that sense, a continent will probably stand the test of time; a nation might or might not.
I was trying to link Rituals and the Kislevite Winged Lancer thing to the 8 Winds, and using the metaphor of nations and continents...
The idea was something like this; if you do something long enough (in a magically resonant way? or in a way that affects the Aether? or is just time and repetition of an action, any action, enough? so long as it is done by an ensouled being? maybe?) it can affect the Aether; it can change the Aether.
On that scale of "time and effort", Gods are when you do something big enough and long enough that you get a nation.
And the 8 Winds are when you bust out the terraforming equipment -- "the Great Machines" -- and do something which will set the course of history for the rest of time to come.
"Rituals" might just be either about understanding "what levers to pull, like on a computer or slot machine, in the Aether in order to get an outcome"... or it might be "how to recognize magi-physical laws enough that you can determine how to get an effect in the Aether, via doing certain actions in the physical world."
Whereas stuff like the Winged Lancer thing is... "Aether-tradition" rather than "Rituals". I dunno. This was kind of rambling.
Chlof
Her Ladyship
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I'm trying to think of what this could possibly sound like and all I come up with is "German cockney", a combo that might give me a nosebleed.