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You make the assumptions here and actually ignore some of the possibilites we have investigated. Remember when we tried Ulgu Tongs? There was Dhar but we have channeled none of it tough ourselves so it was rather safe with only ambient dhar having any effect at all. Prehaps High magic is advanced form of it where you use 8 winds so it creates dhar in some sort of shell that dhar is never released.
I guess there's a non-zero possibility, but in every sources HM is described as the perfect combination of the Winds and the purest version of magic.

Also, when doing Tongs we were completely bumbling. It's imo more reasonable to conclude that elves with century of experience can mix Winds together without. making Dhar and we just fucked up than to think that this magic always described as a the opposite of True Dhar to secretly based on Dhar.
Also High Elves and Slaan both are rather narcisstic. Take that as you will.
All high elves don't use High Magic tho. Also, are Slaans particularly narcissistic?
 
We do not need a better answer. There is no law that says w have to like him. But if we really wanted to be at least a little circumspect we could ask the Eonir not to let him in because he is the fuck up who caused the Night of a Thousand Arcane Duels. They are a sovereign tate and can do that.
A few things. A why would the eonir do that? We don't control them or have any power of them. Secondly rejecting him directly without a really good reason gives him ammunition. As in " i offered my help free of charge for this important project and the lady magister could not let bygones be bygones and accept help to save the world. Is this really the person you want to lead this important project? Someone who would reject a patriarch of a college "
And he would be right enough that people would listen.
 
Would it really be that blunt or would it be more "Its been brought to our attention that the interaction of multiple winds that must be dragged away from a point may unintentionally interact despite the best efforts of the wizards, and we're letting you know we'll pardon that if it happens."
Or is it a moot point as the Patriarchs would read that and read that as "Its probably inevitable that we end up making some Dhar here" not see a difference? Or you were just abreviating?

The actual wording would be something like 'it is possible that the investigation of the Waystone Project may include the study of phenomenon that involve Dark Magic and thus run afoul of a strict reading of Article 7, and these wizards hereby have dispensation to perform this study without it being considered an Abominable Act'.
 
[X] Imperial Dispensation
Seems like this might be a good option, though there's also a part of me wondering if Mandred being a wizard won't come up in this conversation.
 
[x] College Dispensation
When we get a chance I think we need to sit down with our minion wizards and let them know what we plan to do and that we will put them on a list of wizards who will be scrutinized for the rest of their lives. Or give them the chance to leave.
 
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Finally, an argument from paranoia and terribad theology. It seems appropiate for a Grey Order Quest.

Mathilde has messed major plots by Tzeencth (assuming that I recall correctly who was behind the attempt to split the orc gods) and Slaanesh (slaying of a potential Everchosen candidate), plus the thing with the Khornate champion during the Kurgan camp raid, so we have good reason to suspect that some of the many eyestalks of the Chaos Gods are looking in Mathilde's general direction.

Heidi's imposture is not perfect and if rumours start circulating about the emperor being manipulated into granting permission to ignore the Articles of Magic for research into Black Magic, it is certain that some eyes will start looking into Mathilde's backchannel.

If Heidi's lie unravels, the consequences for all parties involved, up to and including Ranald, would be disastrous.

While the Gambler is one of Ranald's divine aspects, there are at least four others we know about, and a gamble this risky may end affecting for the worse the Hedgefolk followers of one of his daughters, which suggests conflict with the Father and possibly the Protector aspects.

All in all, I see lots of reasons not to try to go over Dragomas head, so...

[X] College Dispensation
 
We roped the Matriarchs and Patriarchs into supporting us in doing this. I think we should keep following through on that.

(... Also, it's entirely possible that Alric won't even remain the Patriarch of the Light College for long. Which means he won't be our potential fear or problem or whatever.)

I think it's also possible that going through the proper channels this way, could help make it easier to get more credit or good favor or relationships with the various Matriarchs/Patriarchs we made deals with or build something there. That is, because we are not going over their heads, and they are not seeing the Waystone Project be a bit opaque and mysterious, they might be more predisposed to feeling well towards us/the Grey College/Laurelorn-Empire-relationships in general.

[X] College Dispensation

Better to have the Emperor and the Supreme Patriarch and Patriarchs and Matriarchs having our backs in the general future. A united front is helpful, as is everybody being on the same page.

@Boney actually I'm curious now. From whom did Johann get dispensation to study Skaven mechanisms? Was it from his College Patriarch, or from his Patriarch and Dragomas, or from both them and the Emperor? i.e. How far up the chain did Johann's request have to go? To his Patriarch, to Dragomas, to the Emperor?
 
I doubt it. Dhar has a pretty visible effect on the mind of those using it, and demand the mindset of a megalomaniac psychopath. That's doesn't really correspond to the personality of the average Slaan or archmage.

Also, Dhar attracts other Winds and makes them stick to itself then corrupt them.

Finally, High Magic is explicitly described as using all the Winds together without creating Dhar in all the sources we have.
Ah, but what if the Dhar is the gravitational core. A black hole, with the eight winds orbiting around its event horizon? One wouldn't even need to include the Dhar in the spell itself, merely forming the Quaysh spell then casting it off to do what it was meant to do.
 
A few things. A why would the eonir do that? We don't control them or have any power of them. Secondly rejecting him directly without a really good reason gives him ammunition. As in " i offered my help free of charge for this important project and the lady magister could not let bygones be bygones and accept help to save the world. Is this really the person you want to lead this important project? Someone who would reject a patriarch of a college "
And he would be right enough that people would listen.

Because we tell them he is a fuck up, which he is. I do not think they would take much persuading, though if you really wanted to push we could go with the implicit 'I am not working with that dipshit, if you let him in kiss the dwarf goodbye'.
 
"It is older than Anoqeyån," Hatalath says with a smile. "It is part of the script of the Old Ones."

"The cunning beings in silver ships," you observe.

Hatalath's smile fades and he gives you a long, thoughtful look. "Yes. Them."
It's a fantastic update, you batted it out of the park, but this was my favorite bit. Wiping off the smile off an elf's face is an unmatched experience.

[X] College Dispensation

I'm voting for Dragomas. Alric is not as dangerous compared to arousing suspicions with the Emperor.

Still, even if we do obtain special dispensation for studying the Dhar-creating aspects of Waystones... this doesn't bode well for our odds of creating them. That's gonna be harder to convince people to allow, if it gets that far.
 
Dark Elves also like to live, for which Naggaroth being not part of Chaos Wastes is helpful.
Sure, but the Chaos Wastes expand based on the amount of Waystones total, not the amount in a specific place. As long as the balance doesn't tip (and if it does, then the world ends) they're all good. Also, you can live in the Chaos Wastes. It's not easy, but it's doable. Especially if you murder all the inhabitients who try and take your stuff, and the Druchii do that anyway.
 
[X] College Dispensation
I don't think Mathilde would make the emperor suspicious if she went straight to him, but I really don't think we need to be that worried about Alric.
 
I also just am not sure it's a good idea to decide to go over the heads of the guys we made deals with to make this possible in the first place, all because we fear about Alric getting a memo about this.

Because that's what it comes down to. Alric would get a memo about what some of his wizards are doing over in Laurelorn and about the Waystone project.

Why do people assume that he will immediately decide to stick his noise in and mess with us? Or failing that -- why do people assume that the other Matriarchs and Patriarchs, and Dragomas and the Emperor, won't be very very unamused if a single Wizard Patriarch decides to start playing silly games with the Waystone Project just for his own prestige? Or, hell, maybe he'll decide to throw extra support our way because getting in front of a big and prestigious project would be helpful, in which case we get even more help than Mira was willing to provide on her own, yay.

In short, I don't think Alric should be the major consideration here.
For one thing, we know that Egrimm feels that Alric doesn't trust him and wanted him passed over for promotion. Not to reopen the whole "is Egrimm a traitor" debate, but if you were Alric and unsure of Egrimm's loyalties would you want him involved in a project of this nature? With explicit permission to study dark magic?

Beyond that, it's not just about Alric. It's about all the other Patriarchs/Matriarchs who have to agree as well. As Murazor puts it:
They know about the project, but "and then, suddenly, Dhar" rather changes the situation, because throwing black magic into the mix may well mean sudden onset cold feet. This potentially represents some fairly severe risks for the organizations they lead, after all.

So you know you have a grand project to reinforce the waystone network. The thing that literally keeps the world from turning into a nightmare realm and literally the first update you get is this:

"BTW, this totally involves studying dark magic. You know, the thing that drives human wizards insane."

Dark wizards are one of the leading causes of destroying the waystone network because perverting it gives them a power up. Recreating waystones is also a very, very uncertain pie in the sky project to begin with.

So with this as the first update it might seem quite reasonable to decide this project isn't likely to go anywhere useful, and is more likely to end up with a bunch more waystones destroyed and the wizards involved sent to the looney bin. "Shut it down, let the races who don't suffer form insanity if they touch dhar keep on going if they want." then becomes not an unreasonable option, if you think the other outcome is losing a 2 lord magisters (I think Egrimm got his promotion?), a bunch more regular magisters, and potentially degrading the network further.

Lord Magisters and magisters in general are extremely valuable after all, and you could use them in two dozen other places that don't have the chance to drive them insane for what must seem a very, very small chance of success.
 
[x] Imperial Dispensation

Luitpold being an old man makes me even more inclined to want an Imperial permission in our pocket, lest the next Emperor run afoul of a Tzeentchian plot to give the Witch Hunters just enough fuel for the pyre.
 
Because we tell them he is a fuck up, which he is. I do not think they would take much persuading, though if you really wanted to push we could go with the implicit 'I am not working with that dipshit, if you let him in kiss the dwarf goodbye'.
And that's stops him from dragging us through the mud how? He still would argue that we didn't take the help from a patriarch. And most people don't view him as a fuck up, it's only very specific people. His order and a good part of the patriarchs but I doubt the patriarchs will intervene in what is a pissing match between us and him and the lights can't intervene because their in the middle of it. Yes we can bar him from the project, I'm saying that probably will have consequences.
 
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And that's stops him from dragging us through the mud how? He still would argue that we didn't take the hall from a patriarch. And most people don't view him as a fuck up, it's only very specific people. His order and a good part of the patriarchs but I doubt the patriarchs will intervene in what is a pissing match between us and him and the lights can't intervene because their in the middle of it. Yes we can bar him from the project, I'm saying that probably will have consequences.

'Elves do not like you, not my fault'. What is he going to do call the Queen of Laurelorn to the stand?
 
@Boney actually I'm curious now. From whom did Johann get dispensation to study Skaven mechanisms? Was it from his College Patriarch, or from his Patriarch and Dragomas, or from both them and the Emperor? i.e. How far up the chain did Johann's request have to go? To his Patriarch, to Dragomas, to the Emperor?

Dragomas would have signed off on it, but it would have been more or less a rubber stamp since it was Feldmann asking and it wasn't saying 'yo we want to try casting Skitterleap, that sounds fun', it was more along the lines of 'if we find a weird skaven gun can we look at it, and maybe pull the trigger in a carefully controlled environment'.
 
"In the time when those who brought the One had fallen and the birth-blood of the Green of Two first rained upon the world, the Four shackled the Eight and unleashed their endless armies upon the world to tear down those across the blue plains. We despaired that our Gods had turned from us. The Khans gathered together with their Shamans to set right the balance of the world. The first of the kurgans was built there, to be forever guarded by the Khans buried beneath it. Now once more do the Eight fly free and the Four ply us with tribute to see their will done." This one was a lot of pictographic guesswork, but neither Niedzwenka or Zlata seem upset with your creativity with the words of their ancestors.
I wonder if at some point in the past, the Four had to bargain and cooperate with the northern tribes far more than they do now. These days there's not likely to be more than a handful of Waystones in the Chaos Wastes that haven't been subverted, deactivated, or destroyed by now.

[X] College Dispensation
 
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