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I think the grimoire is more likely to be the one going up in flames.Even were that true I don't want Mathilde going up in flames from reading a Chaos grimoire.
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Even if reading a Chaos grimoire isn't inherently corruptive it is still a Chaos grimoire.
That means that any information in it can be a 'Just as planned' false flag written by Tzeentch to screw anyone who reads it over.
Nagash might be The Necromancer but at least his stuff doesn't run the risk of being a Chaos plot.
That means that any information in it can be a 'Just as planned' false flag written by Tzeentch to screw anyone who reads it over.
Nagash might be The Necromancer but at least his stuff doesn't run the risk of being a Chaos plot.
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Even were that true I don't want Mathilde going up in flames from reading a Chaos grimoire.
Step 1: Mathilde's belt prevents being hurt by fire.
Step 2: Chaos book sets reader on fire
Step 3: Infinite unholy warp fire
Step 4: ???
Step 5 : infinite money through the glory of chaos!
Praise be!
(Honestly we could skip right to step five)
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Kragg laughs at your manling stupidity! Do you think mere lack of physicality can protect from his burning contempt?
Not that I want to go diving into Chaos tomes without a very, very good reason. I just wanted to point out how awesome Kragg is.
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Mathilde the Everchoosen anyone? Just got to shank Archaeon in the name of Tzeentch!
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Huh. Which quest is that?
Is the Great Horned Rat of anything else but the Skaven? Does it even predate them? Could there be a Chaos Cult of the Horned Rat without direct ties to a Skaven settlement?
Because if none of the above have a yes answer then it must loathe itself first and foremost.
How much influence will this vote have on what will actually happen, seeing how we are just one of ten advisors, and at best 5th on the scale of trustworthiness.
How does a miscast work for a Runelord like Kragg? A bug in his Anvil rune-programming? Or is it not actually a mistake for which he could be blamed in any way, meaning that even his art is subject to the random whims of the Winds?
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There's no point in arguing the point = it's debatable whether Skaven are inherently irredeemable in canon, but here the QM has given a WOG on the subject.
We've had this argument before: the Liber Mortis is not a Chaos artifact, and memetic threats are nowhere near as much a thing in fantasy as in 40k.
That is a very narrow effect for hostile spells and it only works once every 12 hours in any case.
Er... I'm pro-Liber Mortis, remember? I even made that very argument before. My point was about actual Chaos tomes.
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There's definitely supposed to be tomes that work this way in fantasy although I'll be damned if I can recall the examples off the top of my head.
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... I see what you did there.
SuperSonicSound
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Well at least some one did appreciates the word play
seriously though there's definitely supposed to be an example of this. Fantasy does have memetic hazards but it's much rarer than in 40k, and I will grant it is possible that some of the chaos tomes that are corrupting are so due to active curses rather than purely for the knowledge they hold but I wouldn't count on it being that way for all of them and it only really needs one failure to screw us over.Thankfully we're playing the character type that is supposed to have the strongest will which is what would be used to act against said involuntary corruption but that's clearly not enough to make falling to chaos impossible or Archaon and that Light Patriarch Richter that fell to chaos wouldn't have happened. So I think any actual chaos tomes should just be destroyed out right.
The necromancy tome is dangerous for what could be done with the knowledge, with a chaos tome the knowledge its self is the danger never mind anything worked into it by the chaos sorcerer that made it.
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When a Wizard miscasts it is because the Winds screwed them over.
When a Rune Smith miscasts it is because they themselves screwed up.
If it wasn't likely to result in him murdering us and or swearing a slayer oath I would vote to go gloat at the great Kragg The Grim making a mistake with his own 'utterly reliable and predictable' runes.
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If you can't trust a mad Tzeentchian cultist, who can you trust? They give the best rambling prophecies.
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Don't be like that. The dwarf hasn't unleashed a Rune in anger for a decade, maybe more.
He was just a bit out of practice on actually using them.
He forged that Rune more than a century ago. Like you'd remember the exact angle and force to trigger it after all that time.
It was one of his good ones. Do you know how rarely Karagg the Grim uses his good Runes?
You should be honored to witness it you beardless young-ling. *grumbling dwarf noises*
Ungrateful Umgi throwing magic with their bare mind. Savages!
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chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
I do not imagine that Ranald, Prince of Cats, would be opposed to such a proposition. I don't even imagine they'd need to look like humans for it to be useful (actually, it'd probably be detrimental, given the whole beast men thing); just make them people-smart and he's got an entire other population of worshipers pretty much tailor-made for sniffing out rats. If they can use his Lore to convince people that they're not talking to a cat, all the better.On the whole stealing Skaven thing...wouldn't it be more appropriate to uplift cats instead?
My personal interpretation is that, since all magical knowledge is couched in personal viewpoints and hard-to-transfer metaphors based on experiences and inherent assumptions, anybody writing a serious tome of magic that they want to actually convey their thoughts and words faithfully has to essentially enchant the book to translate for them. To get those so deeply personal thoughts into another person's head they have to place them there sort of literally. That's why all the best tomes are swirling with magic. It's not just there because it was around a powerful wizard, or because they didn't want to stain it with their ale by accident, it's because it's a spell there specifically to make the book a better book.Well at least some one did appreciates the world play
Thankfully we're playing the character type that is supposed to have the strongest will which is what would be used to act against said involuntary corruption but that's clearly not enough to make falling to chaos impossible or Archaon and that Light Patriarch Richter that fell to chaos wouldn't have happened. So I think any actual chaos tomes should just be destroyed out right.
The necromancy tome is dangerous for what could be done with the knowledge, with a chaos tome the knowledge its self is the danger never mind anything worked into it by the chaos sorcerer that made it.
So magical tomes are enchanted. And consent matters when dealing with magic; there's a reason daemons try to break people's wills and all. If you want to know what's in the book, it's the same as wanting on some level for the enchantment to effect you, because knowing what's in the book and letting the enchantment work on you are one and the same. Ergo, books meant to convey corrupted mindsets are far more horribly corrupting than just staring at a daemon, because they're directly modifying your understanding into a corrupted one, instead of just giving you the information.
(That's all before getting into how most corrupted wizards are terribly sloppy with everything, so the ambient radiation on the thing is likely to get you itself even if you never open it, to say nothing of any books that have grown minds and personally want to affect you maliciously.)
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Belebro: "By... the way... I have... a forbidden tome-"
Matty: "Gosh the grudge throwers are super loud! Can't hear you!"
Belebro: "Want you- to take it-"
Matty: "What's that, Skaroki found the assassin's trail?! Sorry Belebro, gotta go-"
Belebro: "Sit your manling ass down."
Matty: "Damn it."
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Are you implying that Kragg the Grim can't remember something he made a mere century ago? Or that he'd have been better off going with something newer?
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How does that follow?
Please note that we only got info on the belt from a different Runesmith who did not completely understand what Kragg did.
It would be a hilarious end to the debate if Mathilde finally went to read the Liber Mortis only for it to burst in flames, and anything she knew of it was burned from her mind as well. Effectively retroactively removing the book from the story since no one in-story can remember it, making it as if it was never there.
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Impressive, you've managed to find a sequence of events that are both fully possible and would force me to abandon the "ressurect Abel through necromacy" plan. Kudos.
It would also be heartbreakingly tragic for Mathilde to remember Abel giving her one last gift, yet being unable to recall what or where it is.
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*shrug*
We could just take off the belt before reading it if you are worried about, it's not like the book is going to cast a spell on us. Van Hall read it just fine without being aflicted by any curses.
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>willingly taking off the anti-corruption belt before reading the fucking necronomicon
>willingly taking off the anti-corruption belt before reading the fucking necronomicon
Van Hal, the very much not corrupted witch hunter turned lord of Sirland read the book for anti-undead insights. There is nothing metaphysically corrupting about the Liber Mortis, because it's not the 'necronomicon', that is the Books of Nagash that are possessed of a malignant will and all that good stuff.
Seriously though I would not worry about the belt doing anything about the book, it's too wide an effect for runic magic.
The books of nagash are directly corrupting, but that's because they have bits of Nagash literally shoved in them like horcruxes.Well at least some one did appreciates the word play
Thankfully we're playing the character type that is supposed to have the strongest will which is what would be used to act against said involuntary corruption but that's clearly not enough to make falling to chaos impossible or Archaon and that Light Patriarch Richter that fell to chaos wouldn't have happened. So I think any actual chaos tomes should just be destroyed out right.
The necromancy tome is dangerous for what could be done with the knowledge, with a chaos tome the knowledge its self is the danger never mind anything worked into it by the chaos sorcerer that made it.