Vox Vitae: Warhammer AI quest
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I would say it is the most pressing thing ever. Right now all that is standing between us and praising Chaos is a shield that is per the GM worse than equivalent imperial protections. It's going to take a few more layers of research before we can claim to be even somewhat safe and I think that that is going to take psyker help.
Alectai
Speaks Words of Wisdom... On occasion
[ ] Plan: Technology is about to go crazy!
-[ ] [Free] What is the deal with this God-Emperor anyway? It sounds kind of crazy, and there's got to be more to it, right?
-[ ] Construction (900 BP)
--[ ] 4x Manufactories (-400 BP)
--[ ] 1x Underground Basic Biology Lab (-150 BP)
--[ ] 6x Underground Anti-Air Defenses (-450 BP)
-[ ] Research x3 (600 RP)
--[ ] The Basics of Psytech (-200 RP)
--[] What's up with this tech? (-100 RP)
--[ ] Let's fix the lag issue (-50 RP)
--[] System survey (-50 RP)
--[ ] Basic Imperial Hacking (-150 RP)
--[ ] CONDITIONAL: If we manage to avoid paying a surcharge for Basic Imperial Hacking, do Combat Bot Humanization, Redux (-50 RP), otherwise, pay the surcharge
-[] [Anexa] Education - Roll to level, difficulty is 10+5xLevel
-[] Anexa: Juvenat Yes
-[] Aevon Mine: Take the "mine disguise" deal
-[] Aevon Weapons: Yes
Puts us in a position where we can subvert any eyes in the sky they have right as we're ready to start transitioning to SPACE!
-[ ] [Free] What is the deal with this God-Emperor anyway? It sounds kind of crazy, and there's got to be more to it, right?
-[ ] Construction (900 BP)
--[ ] 4x Manufactories (-400 BP)
--[ ] 1x Underground Basic Biology Lab (-150 BP)
--[ ] 6x Underground Anti-Air Defenses (-450 BP)
-[ ] Research x3 (600 RP)
--[ ] The Basics of Psytech (-200 RP)
--[] What's up with this tech? (-100 RP)
--[ ] Let's fix the lag issue (-50 RP)
--[] System survey (-50 RP)
--[ ] Basic Imperial Hacking (-150 RP)
--[ ] CONDITIONAL: If we manage to avoid paying a surcharge for Basic Imperial Hacking, do Combat Bot Humanization, Redux (-50 RP), otherwise, pay the surcharge
-[] [Anexa] Education - Roll to level, difficulty is 10+5xLevel
-[] Anexa: Juvenat Yes
-[] Aevon Mine: Take the "mine disguise" deal
-[] Aevon Weapons: Yes
Puts us in a position where we can subvert any eyes in the sky they have right as we're ready to start transitioning to SPACE!
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[ ] Plan: Technology is about to go crazy!
This plan looks good to me. I think we are going to want to subvert the monestaries sooner or later, but showing up as a fake black ship might be doable if we put it off long enough.
I think the main thing is all the psytech we spent on at character creation that we need psykers of our own to properly do anything with. The longer it sits the further we get down other paths and the less relevant to our long-term plans it becomes.
This plan looks good to me. I think we are going to want to subvert the monestaries sooner or later, but showing up as a fake black ship might be doable if we put it off long enough.
I think the main thing is all the psytech we spent on at character creation that we need psykers of our own to properly do anything with. The longer it sits the further we get down other paths and the less relevant to our long-term plans it becomes.
10ebbor10
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Shouldn't we build actual weapons for trade, if we agree to pay in weaponry?
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I don't personally feel confident contacting the enclaves until we've plumbed the research on chaos and have better assurances against the mechanicus.
Ultimately that's because contact with them has risks of drawing attention from the mechanicus and from chaos - our assurances against the former are in their infancy, and we don't even know about the latter IC for Vita to consider appropriate precautions when doing outreach to the people who structure their lives around not exploding into demons.
As for chaos precautions, there's almost a chicken and egg problem - the monastaries HAVE more shielding tech we could use, but trying to get it means some amount of neck stretching that we'd like to have that shielding FOR. Or we could throw 500 RP at the problem first and then get their sauce for us to integrate afterwards, potential inefficiencies and duplicated work be damned. Vita knowing the risks IC would help make the decision one way or the other easier imo.
Ultimately that's because contact with them has risks of drawing attention from the mechanicus and from chaos - our assurances against the former are in their infancy, and we don't even know about the latter IC for Vita to consider appropriate precautions when doing outreach to the people who structure their lives around not exploding into demons.
As for chaos precautions, there's almost a chicken and egg problem - the monastaries HAVE more shielding tech we could use, but trying to get it means some amount of neck stretching that we'd like to have that shielding FOR. Or we could throw 500 RP at the problem first and then get their sauce for us to integrate afterwards, potential inefficiencies and duplicated work be damned. Vita knowing the risks IC would help make the decision one way or the other easier imo.
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Isn't Anexa a low enough level that we can afford to have her help out with Research and if it's a success she'll level up from that?
birdmaster01
Big Tech's Strongest Soldier
Isn't the juvenat question supposed to be separate vote ?
Also,she's a tech priestess,I say we let her nature run it's course and watch take her rightful throne as the Cyborg Queen of the crew or whatever
Alectai
Speaks Words of Wisdom... On occasion
I mean, maybe? But my OCD looks at just 5 RP and screams.
It can, but it's a higher roll to do that.
If she succeeds well on a research 66+ she gets a level and 5 RP
If she passes DC 10=5*level (DC 15) she levels up from education
Or in narrative terms, she is really not worth putting on research.
10ebbor10
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I'm pretty sure they are not, because we have a blueprint for the kind of weapons they're asking for as a seperate item from trade goods.
It's totally fine, go for it if you want to. But it's not the obvious next step for you - until after psytech reaearch, which will likely conclude with "hey it sure would be nice to be able to test this on some actual psykers." (And have that be the prereq for additional psytech research).
So if you want to get the jump on that - go ahead.
But on the same note, you don't understand why they're so terrified of their powers without background on the archenemy. Though again you could do all that in the same turn and just stagger it appropriately.
Not a suggestion or a hint. Just a comment.
Pretty much. I'm not going to nickel-and-dime you on specifically what you produce.
Yeah, technically true. But this is more important for if you want to arm an army. I'm not going to descend to the level of complexity where you need to track exactly what kinds of weapons and armor you're producing.
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10ebbor10
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Where was that said?
I don't recall it being mentioned as worse as Imp tech at any point. All the QM said is that it was abandonned as a technology because it was expensive, and found not to be required when you had a gellar field.
But the gellar field does not replace our warp shielding, because our warp shielding works in realspace, whereas the gellar field is only useful in warp, IIRC.
They just never saw a reason for that specific trick, and when it became important the tech was already lost.
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'Don't worship me' commands the giant golden man with a Rome fetish who set off a campaign of pan-galactic conquest and wiped out every other religion. I think the electronic equivalent of a snort of disgust is warranted.
Oh, and let's not forget that he actually did encourage the Tech-Priests of Mars to worship him as part of the Treaty of Mars. So yeah, really massive hypocrite b/c if you were a red-robed toaster-fucker, he was totally cool with you worshipping him as the Omnissiah.
Again, I say if we're going to touch upon the Psykers, we need to research the Archenemy files so we actually know what Chaos is so we don't blindly walk into a time bomb.
10ebbor10
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The other thing is that in the sentence "Burn the Dissident, the witch and the Xeno in the name of the God Emperor", the word "God" is not the most objectionable part.
Yeah, by very arguments you can claim that the Emperor didn't want to be worshipped. The Xenocide and mass persecution however, those were part of the plan.
meianmaru
The Devourer of Fiction
In that case, fear my plan:
[ ] Plan: Know Thy Archenemy
-[ ] [Free] Poke around some more in the databases, looking for anything in particular.
--[ ] What is the deal with this God-Emperor anyway? It sounds kind of crazy, and there's got to be more to it, right?
-[ ] Construction (900 GBP)
--[ ] 1st construction slot (900 BP):
---[ ] 4x Manufactory (100 BP, 50 CP)
---[ ] 6x Underground Anti-Air Defenses (aboveground base) (75 BP, 5 CP)
---[ ] Trade goods, Aevon (requested weapons) (50 BP) (Trade goods, Aevon 55 -> 105)
-[ ] Research x3 (600 RP)
--[ ] 1st research slot (200 RP):
---[ ] What's up with this tech? (100 RP)
---[ ] In-atmosphere void shields (100 RP)
--[ ] 2nd research slot (200 RP):
---[ ] Basic Imperial Hacking (150 RP)
---[ ] Blueprint: Spy satellite (25 RP)
---[ ] Blueprint: Anti-armor Bunker (25 RP)
--[ ] 3rd research slot (200 RP):
---[ ] Let's fix the lag issue (50 RP)
---[ ] System survey (50 RP)
---[ ] Mechanicus files on the Archenemy (100 RP)
-[ ] Pay rent (Trade goods, Aevon: 105 -> 80)
-[ ] Anexa passive action: Education - Roll to level, difficulty is 10+5xLevel
-[ ] Anexa: Juvenat Yes
--[ ] Write-in: Tell Anexa about the various worlds, ideologies, organizations and people that you saw embracing cybernetics, both the good and the bad. As well as about one of your crew, who was a near full-conversion cyborg. Tell her to make her own jugdement if cybernetic ascencion is what she wants based on this information. And with enough time, made easier by the juvenat.
-[ ] Aevon Mine: Take the "mine disguise" deal
--[ ] Write-in: Mention that as you are still increasing your manufacturing capacity, it has resulted in your anti-air and anti-missile defenses lagging somewhat behind the ideal state. Just to avoid any misunderstandings about what they can expect from you currently if they are planning something. Promise to keep them posted roughly on the capabilities of your protective umbrella as it is built up (but not the exact details), if they keep you in return informed about any... Aggressive moves they might take in the future.
-[ ] Aevon Weapons: Yes
And if Anexa reaches level 2 on this turn, that would free up 10 extra RP on the next turn. This should allow Vita to spend that amount of RP on the blueprint for anti-personnel bunker to finish it (while Anexa researches something more interesting), leaving us more room to play with the bigger and more costly techs.
The research into Archenemy/Chaos is there for the obvious reason. I've come to the conclusion that I don't want to touch the psykers until Vita has a much better understanding about the dangers involved. Should make it also make the most likely reasons why the AI rebellion happened quite obvious for Vita. And why the Imperial tech is as it is.
Answered yes to all the options. I feel comfortable enough for starting to escalate at this point with what we have. Also did a couple of write-ins (@Neablis do you accept these write-ins in my plan?). First is linked to telling Anexa about the Juvenat, because not telling her and hiding it being an option for her feels shitty. But followed by giving her first-hand accounts about how cybernetics were used during DAoT, to give her more information to make her decision with. And time, so that she won't need to resort to sub-standard cybernetics for her immortality if she goes for it.
Besides that, a clarification for Aevon now that we are working together more closely, that no. They shouldn't expect an AA shooting down nukes at the fake mines anytime soon, but we will keep them roughly updated on the progress of our defensive umbrella, if they in turn give us more information on their more aggresive moves against the AdMech.
Misc. items: making new trade goods for Aevon so that they get actual weapons they asked for in their next shipments for the five years, instead of just medicine and other stuff we had previously made for them.
Important note: I will be almost guaranteed to be asleep when the vote goes live. If you want, you can still vote for my plan with its name, I will be posting the plan as a vote as soon as I wake up.
EDIT: modified my write-in in the "mine disguise" deal due to some clarifications
EDIT2: switched Anexa back to school; this won't change much more for this turn than a bit of flavour and 5 less RP, which won't affect anything getting finished on this turn
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She deserves to have a chance to peruse our library of scientific texts!
First one is good. Could you clarify the second one? They're putting their new manufacturing center close enough that any nukes shot at it will also hit your base. They're not explicitly asking you to protect it, just hoping to sneak it into your defensive umbrella. They did basically tell you that's what they were doing. If you want to tell them "Yes I have a defensive umbrella but I'm not going to intentionally protect you, please warn me if you're going to escalate." then that's fine.
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That could just be guys with guns. They're called "nullifiers" not "nulls."
Combined with the fact that Nulls are rarer than psykers I'm quite prone to thinking the former. Not like we can particularly tell, anyways.
I agree with most of this, but just give Anexa time to study damnit! Her contribution is negligible and I want her stronger because she's best bean! We can´t abuse our best bean! Let her level and grow strong!
meianmaru
The Devourer of Fiction
Ahhh, I somehow misunderstood this. I thought the new fake mine-site for us and them would have been far enough that it would have required a separate defensive umbrella to our first manufacturing center. Thanks for the clarification, editing my plan. The idea is that they know approximately what we have for AA / Void Shields / Anti-Orbit with regular updates, so they don't overestimate the defenses they might be counting on, and in return they give us a heads-up when they are going to be making their move.
A modified write-in I will be adding to my plan if it works for you:
--[ ] Write-in: Mention that as you are still increasing your manufacturing capacity, it has resulted in your anti-air and anti-missile defenses lagging somewhat behind the ideal state. Just to avoid any misunderstandings about what they can expect from you currently if they are planning something. Promise to keep them posted roughly on the capabilities of your protective umbrella as it is built up (but not the exact details), if they keep you in return informed about any... Aggressive moves they might take in the future.
She gets stronger also by completing projects if they roll well. I think it scaled with how big / important or something the project was. Also, even that 5 RP will be quite useful with the blueprints I've slotted in, if she levels up for the next turn.
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10ebbor10
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The odds of getting stronger from project completion are far, far worse than the ones from direct education.
The way the system is set up, it's good to do a few level of educations, then do further level ups through practical experience, not the other way round.
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THIS EXACTLY!
We're capped to one level per turn anyways, so we aren't getting jackshit out of it anyways!
meianmaru
The Devourer of Fiction
Could you point out where the exact mechanics saying this? Because all I can find for Active relating to this is "Will level on successful roll, scaled by the importance of the tech."
EDIT: Or wait, does that mean that the roll for the level up is is different from the research roll itself? Because I've been reading this as: "will level up if the research roll to which Anexa is allocated succeeds, will level up potentially more than one level if the tech is important/big enough."
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