Vox Vitae: Warhammer AI quest

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One thing we definitely should do is clear up any miscommunications about what defenses we have and coordinate any new anti-missile defenses with Aevon. Just them knowing that we're willing to talk about that stuff might allow us to set up a lot more of them in major cities.

Edit: At this point, we can trust them enough that them knowing about the defenses isn't a worry and they have no reason to be opposed to stuff that stops the Mechanicus from nuking them. Probably need them to agree to not use them for anything below nukes and to keep the conflict with the Mechanicus on a low simmer by getting them to agree to make the defenses cover all of the planet's major cities.
 
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Aura Dragon said:
One thing we definitely should do is clear up any miscommunications about what defenses we have and coordinate any new anti-missile defenses with Aevon. Just them knowing that we're willing to talk about that stuff might allow us to set up a lot more of them in major cities.
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You want to set up more of our robot AA next to their cities where they can see it? I don't think that is a good idea. Remember how surprised Anexa was at our degree of automation. True she was a tech priest and thus came from a society that cared a lot more about such things, but she was also a very junior tech priest. I trust that the whole government of Aevon would be able to match and exceed that to the point where someone might start to put A before I, especially since they have tech manuals from the DAOT that we gave to them. They will have more of a general idea what AI looks like from the other side.
 
DragonParadox said:
You want to set up more of our robot AA next to their cities where they can see it? I don't think that is a good idea. Remember how surprised Anexa was at our degree of automation. True she was a tech priest and thus came from a society that cared a lot more about such things, but she was also a very junior tech priest. I trust that the whole government of Aevon would be able to match and exceed that to the point where someone might start to put A before I, especially since they have tech manuals from the DAOT that we gave to them. They will have more of a general idea what AI looks like from the other side.
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1. Remember it's the Ancient who has been helping them for about 50 years (now offering AA) vs the Mechanicus who have they have been in a cold war esc situation for centuries and threatening them with nukes.
2. The AA wouldn't be out in the open - that would get them attacked by the Mechanicus, they would be hidden underground.
3. We are heavily bribing the people in charge with Juvenat. I think that after at least
 
Aura Dragon said:
1. Remember it's the Ancient who has been helping them for about 50 years (now offering AA) vs the Mechanicus who have they have been in a cold war esc situation for centuries and threatening them with nukes.
2. The AA wouldn't be out in the open - that would get them attacked by the Mechanicus, they would be hidden underground.
3. We are heavily bribing the people in charge with Juvenat. I think that after at least
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If we do not put the AA in the open we would have to dig a tunnel all the way to each of their cities and that is not logistically feasible. It's 20 BP/mile. Actually come to think of it even the the Aevonians will ask no questions we can't put up AA anyway since the ad mech would see us make them with satellites.
 
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If we do not put the AA in the open we would have to dig a tunnel all the way to each of their cities and that is not logistically feasible. It's 20 BP/mile. Actually come to think of it even the the Aevonians will ask no questions we can't put up AA anyway since the ad mech would see us make them with satellites.
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Or we build a cover building where entry/exit traffic would be expected and have a new tunnel system from there.
 
One thing to remember is that they're not expecting you to defend their cities, though they'd probably leap at the chance. They're hiding some of the new manufacturing that you enabled close to you, hoping that your defenses will also cover them.

Aura Dragon said:
... That actually has given me an idea. @Neablis, could we make a tunnel excavator unit and have them automatically create underground transportation networks between the different cities?
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Uh. Huh. Yes but you'd have to design it for 25 RP, build it for 50 BP/10 CP and then it would dig a tunnel at a rate of 25 miles/turn, with a cost of 2 BP/mile for things like rock disposal, supports, road structure, ventilation, etc.

You could build multiple but they couldn't go faster by going in the same direction. Also the city (which is the capital of Aevon) is like 50 miles away so it would take 2 turns to get there. The Aevon Mechanicus enclave is like 20 miles outside of town at a right angle but they definitely have sensors that would pick up your tunneling once you got within 10 miles.

So like yeah you could do it, but it wouldn't be free. Let me know if you're still interested and I'll add a designable blueprint
 
Just thinking out loud.
I'm wondering do the machine spirits of mechanicus implants detect and react to pyschic impressions as well smoothing out the lag?
Has Anexa found machine spirits in any of our older or newer tech?
Have we tried getting Anexa to try using ritualistic mechnicus style maintenance on any of our tech vs imperial and seeing if it has noticeable effects?
 
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We could also just put our AAA platform on a tank. How big is it, anyway?

DragonParadox said:
How do we get the constructo-bots into the new tunnel system without being noticed? They look either like bots or like power armored troops.
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Put them in a big metal box, move the box, take them out of the box.

Does Aevon have containerization?
 
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10ebbor10 said:
We could also just put our AAA platform on a tank. How big is it, anyway?


Put them in a big metal box, move the box, take them out of the box.

Does Aevon have containerization?
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That is true, we could just stick them in Aevonian trucks as long as they have drivers who ask no questions. Not sure how much inefficiency that would add to the process, but is seems doable .
 
Neablis said:
Ego alert. If you name your tomb the golden throne and set up people to keep worshiping it for tens of thousands of years after your death, I think that reflects on you as a person. Though this is hardly the first thing I've seen that makes me think that.
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Wonder how Vita will react when she learns that for the last ten millennia, humanity has been steadily going against what the Emperor was preaching, especially in regards to worshipping Him.

I wonder how she'll react when she learns He's still alive and had to watch it all happen without being able to do much more than serve as a galactic lighthouse.
 
Heavygenium said:
Wonder how Vita will react when she learns that for the last ten millennia, humanity has been steadily going against what the Emperor was preaching, especially in regards to worshipping Him.

I wonder how she'll react when she learns He's still alive and had to watch it all happen without being able to do much more than serve as a galactic lighthouse.
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'Don't worship me' commands the giant golden man with a Rome fetish who set off a campaign of pan-galactic conquest and wiped out every other religion. I think the electronic equivalent of a snort of disgust is warranted. :V
 
[ ] Plan: Technology is about to go crazy! With Anexa Diplomacy
-[ ] [Free] What is the deal with this God-Emperor anyway? It sounds kind of crazy, and there's got to be more to it, right?
-[] Diplomacy: Monastery Poking?
--[ ] Send Anexa under a disguise as an 'ancient', counting on the Aevonians for guards, maintain constant contact so she can make use of your diplomatic skill. Our main interest is as a traveler seeking to be well informed as to how to deal with any potential psykers that might pop up, and the dangers to be aware of. We have certain protections, and aren't unwilling to share if things go well, but it'll help greatly to have actual, friendly collaborators to see if they have any limits that we need to shore up. (Acquire Introduction to Monasteries, hopefully establishing some kind of amicable relationship with them. We have the carrot of effective psi-shielding that may or may not be better than what they have in hand to help further improve the situation there, and some other exchanges. Getting a fun psi-specialist bean would be lovely, but the dice will roll as they will.)
-[ ] Construction (950 BP)
--[ ] 5x Manufactories (-500 BP)
--[ ] 6x Underground Anti-Air Defenses (-450 BP)
-[ ] Research x2 (400 RP)
--[ ] The Basics of Psytech (-200 RP)
--[] What's up with this tech? (-100 RP)
--[ ] Let's fix the lag issue (50 RP)
--[] System survey (50 RP)
-[] [Anexa] Psyker Diplomacy

Build-wise is just Alectai's plan but without the biology laboratory and with a bit more production capacity as a consequence to give us a bit more wiggle room when throwing stuff into space next turn. The important bit is the diplomacy. Our avatar is a soulless machine, there is not getting around that and the problem is even a basic telepath much less a trained astropath would be able to sense, or rather not sense that. Anexa does not have that issue. Sure she could be mind read, but that is an active invasion and I do not think the local psykers would be that agressive to someone who is high up in the favor of the local gouvernment.
 
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Dimorphodon said:
We recruited a techpriest, not a diplomat. For the Machine God's sake, let the poor girl level up. Or at least put her on research.
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We recruited a human with a soul

Aura Dragon said:
We can go ourselves and if we get called out we can simply say that we are using a proxy body when we go out to avoid kidnaping attempts.
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This on the other hand is a fair point, though it would raise a questions of what our... real body is like. I'm not saying the local psykers could guess, but any Aevonians who hear it might put two and two together.
 
The other problem is the big shielding dome. That might interfere with signals.

DragonParadox said:
This on the other hand is a fair point, though it would raise a questions of what our... real body is like. I'm not saying the local psykers could guess, but any Aevonians who hear it might put two and two together
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Design a new avatar to look more obviously mechanical, argue that we're using the proxy because you don't want psykers to read all your secrets?

Maybe something similar to the Skiitari.

worst case, just tape a computr screen to a cart and do the meeting over zoom.

Edit : Long term, we grab a part of our shielding and just make it think "I'm a real boy(girl)" very hard to mimic the soul.
 
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DragonParadox said:
-[] [Anexa] Psyker Diplomacy
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Dimorphodon said:
We recruited a techpriest, not a diplomat. For the Machine God's sake, let the poor girl level up. Or at least put her on research.
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DragonParadox said:
We recruited a human with a soul
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Yeah, but we are playing as a literally soulless AI, and are still much better at social stuff than her. AdMech was the exception because she had lived in and became part of their culture.

But here? I can basically guarantee she won't give any kind bonus. Or level up from this. And maybe start to wonder if her new AI mentor is glitching if she asking her this.

EDIT: To clarify, I realize that the psykers might notice the absence of a soul in an Avatar. But as has been already pointed out, we can work around this in other ways. Its just not worth it.
 
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I would really rather we level Anexa up. Yes things need to be done but she just gives a plus five and that's generally in research. Even getting one or two levels (I prefer she get up to ten) would be a major boon and it would be hard for her.
 
meianmaru said:
EDIT: To clarify, I realize that the psykers might notice the absence of a soul in an Avatar. But as has been already pointed out, we can work around this in other ways. Its just not worth it.
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I have come around to agreeing with that yeah. In that case I think we should build an avatar that is obviously a robot and advertise the fact. That turns it from a potential gatcha moment we'd have to explain on the spot to a precaution because we do not want to be in the room with what might be a half-trained psyker under unknown shielding. These being Imperial psykers I don't even think they would be that surprised at it. If their bosses could build robot bodies to interact with them they would probably do so.
 
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