Vox Vitae: Warhammer AI quest

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DragonParadox said:
I have come around to agreeing with that yeah. In that case I think we should build an avatar that is obviously a robot and advertise the fact. That turns it from a potential gatcha moment we'd have to explain on the spot to a precaution because we do not want to be in the room with what might be a half-trained psyker under unknown shielding. These being Imperial psykers I don't even think they would be that surprised at it. If their bosses could build robot bodies to interact with them they would probably do so.
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Yeah big true. The real question is whether we want them to know we can. Seems unwise to let our technological prowess slip without first meeting. We could be confident telling Aevon because we had approximately all the bribes and would be pitting them against someone they hate anyways.

We don't really know what we can offer the psykers. Nor do they currently have much worth of enemies we can do anything about. We have our active Nope Shield... But letting that slip is also kind of dangerous. I'm leery of sharing. For now, let's just stick to introductions until we know more.
 
Insult Everyone! said:
Yeah big true. The real question is whether we want them to know we can. Seems unwise to let our technological prowess slip without first meeting. We could be confident telling Aevon because we had approximately all the bribes and would be pitting them against someone they hate anyways.

We don't really know what we can offer the psykers. Nor do they currently have much worth of enemies we can do anything about. We have our active Nope Shield... But letting that slip is also kind of dangerous. I'm leery of sharing. For now, let's just stick to introductions until we know more.
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The only thing we have that might get the psykers to work with us are the shields which are as you correctly put even more impactful than the humanoid drones. There is no point to getting just an introduction. They are imperials, paranoia and dread are their religiously mandated reactions to any strangers wanting to talk to them. Now or later we have to take the plunge since it's not like meeting some random dude on a dark room is going to give us any great insights into the monasteries, there is no datanet to trawl for information. We have as much info as we are ever going to get unless they decide to open up and they have no reason to open up without the shields.
 
Question, could theoretically one could explain a lack of (psychic) as being a very weak blank? To weak too affect their external environment or ensoulled people's perception of them, but enough to have no connection or presence in the warp?
 
DragonParadox said:
The only thing we have that might get the psykers to work with us are the shields which are as you correctly put even more impactful than the humanoid drones. There is no point to getting just an introduction. They are imperials, paranoia and dread are their religiously mandated reactions to any strangers wanting to talk to them. Now or later we have to take the plunge since it's not like meeting some random dude on a dark room is going to give us any great insights into the monasteries, there is no datanet to trawl for information. We have as much info as we are ever going to get unless they decide to open up and they have no reason to open up without the shields.
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Fair enough. But we can use it to get a bit more of a feel for what the responses would be.
That said, we can probably do both in the same turn.
That said that said, if we don't show up as a Mechboi we might get snitched on to the Coggies...
That said that said that said, we can´t crit fail.
 
DragonParadox said:
I have come around to agreeing with that yeah. In that case I think we should build an avatar that is obviously a robot and advertise the fact. That turns it from a potential gatcha moment we'd have to explain on the spot to a precaution because we do not want to be in the room with what might be a half-trained psyker under unknown shielding. These being Imperial psykers I don't even think they would be that surprised at it. If their bosses could build robot bodies to interact with them they would probably do so.
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May I recommend swapping out the "obvious robot" aesthetic with an "obvious servitor" one? Imperial citizens tend to be more comfortable with the latter as opposed to the former, and it's less indicative of an AI connection.
 
Hunter531 said:
May I recommend swapping out the "obvious robot" aesthetic with an "obvious servitor" one? Imperial citizens tend to be more comfortable with the latter as opposed to the former, and it's less indicative of an AI connection.
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Hmmm. Or we could use our humanized combat bots, print out a "servo-skull" with a holo-projector, make the hologram quality really shitty (for us) and just pretend to be human streaming the hologram from elsewhere. I mean, we do have the diplo-package explicitly on a level where we can fake this kind of data in real-time without any kind of additional effort. @Neablis would a "servo-skull" with a holo-project cost us any additional BP, or would it be so insignificant we could get it for free as narrative stuff for this turn, probably recycled afterwards? Or thrown into a storage closet, idk.
DragonParadox said:
The thing is I think the Aevonians will know we do not use servitors from the uplift books.
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But the monasteries themselves are more much more Imperium-aligned.
 
meianmaru said:
But the monasteries themselves are more much more Imperium-aligned.
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Well yeah, but I do not want to give the Aevonians the impression we lie easily for advantage (claim we use servitors when they know we don't, they might wonder what else we are lying about). That said a servo-skull as you proposed seems harmless, it doesn't even have to be real bone, we can just print out bone-like plastic and inform the locals we did it to make the psykers feel more comfortable.
 
How about instead of a servo skull, we just send a basic drone with a hologram projector. We are already going to be revealing that we are an 'Ancient', there is no need to pretend to use 40k tech to anyone on the planet that isn't the Mechanicus.
 
i think going with a fake servo-skull and a holo-projector could work, the problem we're dealing with is that psykers can sense whether something has a soul in it or not, so making up an excuse as to why we're calling them remotely is much better than sending an avatar.

If I'm reading it right, we can also just contact them digitally and not have to risk the subterfuge?

Picio said:
I do not understand why people are so interested in poking religious fanatics that are not doing anything other then keeping to themselves.
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I think we only really want to do it for 3 main reasons:

• Make sure that the psykers aren't going to explode if we leave them alone

• See about recruiting a psyker for our crew

• Trying to see if there's any chaos shennanigans unfolding.
 
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Picio said:
I do not understand why people are so interested in poking religious fanatics that are not doing anything other then keeping to themselves.
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Yeah, it's very much not required. I'll be able to write up a good turn that's just doing tech and production and talking to Anexa.

DragonParadox said:
-[] [Anexa] Psyker Diplomacy
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To clarify, this is doable but she wouldn't give any bonus. In fact she might give a -5 penalty. Anexa rolled a shy personality.

She also might get grumpy about not being allowed to ransack your database for a second turn in a row.

meianmaru said:
@Neablis would a "servo-skull" with a holo-project cost us any additional BP, or would it be so insignificant we could get it for free as narrative stuff for this turn, probably recycled afterwards? Or thrown into a storage closet, idk
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Amusingly enough, Vita hasn't directly seen any servo-skulls yet. She probably talked through them on her video calls, but Thalya didn't have one with her and there are still a lot of blind spots. Anti-grav tech is one area the mechanicus actually does better in than Vita, but you'll pick up on it with imperial tech studies.

If you're looking for options that don't run the risk of a psyker figuring out you don't have a soul (which both isn't guaranteed and isn't necessarily bad, it depends on rolls), here are some options that Vita would think of.
1. Send a holographic projector, you can whip out a good one for free. It won't be a drone but it's close enough and demonstrates your technological expertise.
2. Ask Aevon to be your spokesperson. They'll probably assign Victan, who seems competent.
3. Just talk digitally. Aevon does have a direct line they can hook you into.
 
Honestly, I think we should ignore the monasteries for now and just triple down into research. If we can develop the bigger version of Vita's Psy shield maybe we can offer them that in negotiations down the line.
 
BigFungus26 said:
I think we only really want to do it for 3 main reasons:

• Make sure that the psykers aren't going to explode if we leave them alone

• See about recruiting a psyker for our crew

• Trying to see if there's any chaos shennanigans unfolding.
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First reason is invalid since we do not know such think may happen.
Third reason is also invalid for the same reason as the first.
Second may be valid but idea of them letting psykar out of the monastery is preposterous.
So far reasons stated are "Lets poke militant religious fanatic just to see what happens".

Edit: And what happens will probably be something along the lines of "Heretic!!!" and "For The Emperor!!".
 
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