Do you need to phrase your objection to one plan as an accusation against everyone in the thread?
Which we could presumably do with the repair bay refit, but would need to be planned in.
Vox Vitae: Warhammer AI quest
- Thread starter Neablis
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We'd also need something worth 100 BP to replace. Due to cramming.
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Hey @Neablis I'm still interested in a new reply to my reply to your reply, lol. I think you missed it, what with the update.
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I missed your earlier posts, so thanks for linking again. That convinces me of the utility of focus, so I'll add it to my approval vote.
Thanks for catching that @LightLan. My preference is to keep her attached to the operation, so I will take her off training unless I hear a large preference otherwise.
Excellent! I'm hopeful that the extra RP budget for adding the active stealth will carry the design across the finish line if necessary.
Thanks, that is very helpful.
I think this was mostly answered, but the the tech is spoiled below for anyone that is curious:
Just deflecting away and hiding your signature only helps so much. Then next step is to overlay a hologram over your small craft to make them effectively invisible, and even counter passive sensors. It'll still be a hazy outline, but this is the path towards being able to close to actual combat ranges unobserved (Unlocks improved stealth designs for actively hiding signatures, though they will be expensive. Unlocks further research for improved active stealth, and will synergize with other stealth research.
Tanks show up pretty well on scanners, and it would be nice to change that. You might also be able to make your bots hide better. (Unlocks new design options for tanks and ground forces that are less obvious. Unlocks further research towards better ground force stealth. Will be able to take advantage of some other stealth technologies.)
edit: and to save anyone from digging for that answer - Neablis confirmed that ground force stealth will allow Passive and Active stealth to be added to ground forces. They might be two separate modifications which is why my plan has a conditional budget of RP/BP to add this.
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[X][Cia] Pragmatism
We wanted a commander and we have that chance.
We wanted a commander and we have that chance.
meianmaru
The Devourer of Fiction
Thanks! Answer from both Neablis and you, as well as your updates to your plan have convinced me. Switching my vote.
[X][Cia] Focus
[X] Plan: Beach Episode
F0lkL0re
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@Nightlord256 could I perhaps persuade you to change Anexa's research action over to ether Faith is my shield?, Large-scale Machine spirits, Machine Spirit Shipboard Manufactories or Machine Spirit Chaos resistance as a 25RP item is a bit of a waste of the 95RP she produces per turn.
Angle
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Ironically, I had the exact same response, noticed the groundforce stealth tech was present, and then deleted my post cause I didn't feel like it added anything to the conversation. XD
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The plan still uses the full 95RP, the assignment is only where to give Anexa's +10 specialization bonus (or to try for a new one)
F0lkL0re
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Well when I asked this:
about just this sort of thing Neablis said:
so I've been assuming that her RP can only be applied to one thing ever since and now I'm confused.
Beach Episode doesn't have that much loose RP unless you prioritize faith over terraforming, which I sure wouldn't. It's a 1-research plan that calls for two researches feeding into a new design to be used immediately.
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He's talking about the roll bonus, yeah. Anexa RP is splittable and always has been.
Yes, neablis confirmed and also edited the turn post.
F0lkL0re
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Right then I'll rejig my research a little and might as well put Combat Neural Implants in myself then.
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Still, I think trying to figure out a whole new religion would be more important for a +10 bonus, this isn't something we should half-ass
None of the requested techs are actually in the plan in question.
Could do it in place of Combat Neural Implants, which has less immediate applicability, and the overflow to Intelligence Coding, which has even less.
@Nightlord256 won't you consider it? Faith is my Shield? is really important to get now so we can know whether it is feasible to run one or more positive faith projects here, and whether it would need more research.
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Eh. I don't think it's a terrible idea, but the choice was made to start chipping on IC for a reason - and with sending Cia on an operation into a functional imperial defense system, those implants could actually be quite important.
As far as faith experiments go, the diplomacy option in the plan explores that from the other end, so Plan: Beach Episode isn't actually stalled on it. With no chaos presence in the system and no unrest we need to mitigate, the anthropological study setup is a nice to have rather than an extension of something arguably key to success, like it was on Vorthryn.
Vorthryn is of course where I first pitched running a long-term anthropological experiment as a followup to Faith, and that's still something we can do there - the ship is big enough to have, and does have, separate communities within it even besides the stations which are completely isolated populations analogous to the island nations we see on Caldereth.
Which, like, don't get me wrong Caldereth has advantages for such a study, sure, but it's not a unique opportunity we'd be missing out on, and the payoff is itself a longer term prospect.
Faith Is My Shield is not pressing for this turn nor is Caldereth a pressing or unique opportunity for testing it, is what I'm getting at. The opportunity can be substituted quite easily over the course of our existing travel plans - just drop the faith tech off with Vorthryn alongside the fixed mech ag on our way back to Denva.
Anyways, for comparison:
I've spent a fair bit of time on discussing Intelligence Coding's benefits and what we're probably missing out on for having put it off. Neablis has reaffirmed that it can discount MS Hallucinations and will lead to RP generation research of its own, to repeat one particularly key finding.
It's also how we find out if Vita has any corruption points - The action itself is about studying her own code, after all, so that's how and where we'd find out. We may have ruled out issues from Bongo's adventures, but the initial catastrophe that wrecked her ship... not so much. It's a niche benefit, but a benefit all the same.
You have a draw a line somewhere for determining when making progress towards achieving a major long term efficiency outweighs an immediate benefit if you want to ever achieve the former, and particularly when combined with the much more important work towards Cia's safety that would also have to be discarded I think that line has clearly been met to favor Intelligence Coding over Faith is My Shield this turn.
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Faith is my shield seems necessary for the simple fact that we cannot scale psyshield protection to cover populations. Having a tool that can cover 10 million people instead of 10 seems useful.
Terraforming is useful because in the future when we rock up to a planet that is having problems, we won't have to do build or research to know what our fix-it options and costs are.
Warp comms is needed unless we are going to bring all our manufacturing with us as we travel. But depending on bandwidth (a few bytes per minute, if we judge by astropathic choirs?) we'll need child AIs to be able to run the manufacturing we leave behind. Can't remote pilot bots via smoke signal.
Demonology seems like it is addressing a problem we don't actually have yet. Same as Nova Cannons.
Terraforming is useful because in the future when we rock up to a planet that is having problems, we won't have to do build or research to know what our fix-it options and costs are.
Warp comms is needed unless we are going to bring all our manufacturing with us as we travel. But depending on bandwidth (a few bytes per minute, if we judge by astropathic choirs?) we'll need child AIs to be able to run the manufacturing we leave behind. Can't remote pilot bots via smoke signal.
Demonology seems like it is addressing a problem we don't actually have yet. Same as Nova Cannons.