Would still encourage dropping them a second stack of lighter bots too. (Vita can replace those later if we turn out to need them.) More force is good and and so is more being able to shoot people without wrecking half a compartment if it comes down to it.
Vox Vitae: Warhammer AI quest
- Thread starter Neablis
- Start date
- Mature Sci-Fi
- Location
- Earth
We should destroy the obvious chaos presence. Check.
We should leave enough infrastructure for our tech priests. Check.
We should give our tech-priests a clear mandate. Only run the repairs mentioned? not check.
As much as I like the MSH research, I think we want to make sure they have actual food and research the agriculture stuff.
also still catching up with the thread.
- Location
- Boston
@Prime 2.0, your comments on returning home this turn got me thinking on a plan to do that.
[] Plan: Return Home
-[][FREE] Spark of the Ancients Repair Bay: 2 fighter bays dismantled (2 slots freed) - 2 Machine Spirit Manufactories added (360 BP) (1 MS Manufactory = 1 slot). Rest goes to repairing the Bongo Oubliette (640 BP - 128 points of repairs) (443/540 HP -> 540/540 HP).
-[] Command: Blow up any Chaos-tainted stations you find and detect.
-[] Construction (450 VBP / 500 LC): 450 BP the ship, of which
--[] 360 BP to 3x Machine Spirit Manufactory (120 BP, 20 CP),
--[] 1x Small automated medical facility (50 BP, 50 CP),
--[] 40 BP to immediate aid/bribes on the ship.
--[] Write-in: Send 17 members of the Cogitare Exploratium to be left on the ship temporarily, gifting each a personal void shield (Note 1) and a detachment of bots for security (Note 2). Their primary goal is to stabilize the ship and ease the suffering of its population, then the stations and their populations (or prepare the ship to hold evacuations most likely), while also helping by arming people to stomp out Chaos cults where they appear, if feasible. Aim with the repairs to convert the ship to hold people instead of ore. Tell the tech-priests that they are in charge to manage the ship as they see fit. They are free to recruit initiates to the Cogitare Exploratium after making sure of their trustworthiness to expand their numbers, but are to keep the truth about Vita's true nature a secret for now. They also encouraged to freely share basic uplift primers and teaching and augmenting people they don't directly recruit (especially to control the new installations they will be making), if they think it will help the situation. Only restricted cybernetic for non-Cogitare initiate is the Human Simulation brain-implant.
---[] Note 1: We had 9 void shields on the ship, 4 of which went to Vita and C-Crew. We can take the remaining 5 and the 12 we made for the bodyguards and use them for the stay behind priests.
---[]Note 2: Leave the 17 tech-priests behind with 703 Light Machine-spirit humanized infantry bots (20 CP), 840 Medium Machine-spirit humanized Infantry Bots (20 CP), and 1131 Heavy Machine-spirit Infantry Bots (40 CP). This gives them a sizeable detachment and removes cleans up our rounding errors.
-[] Travel back to Denva
-[] Diplomacy: After getting caught up with our contacts in Denva, negotiate basing right on Denva Primus with the locals
--[] Stretch goal: If basing is easy/simple to establish start coordinating with Denva to redeem our construction boon to build a manufacturing hub on Primus.
This keeps the first two actions of my plan and drops the research to get home with a diplomacy action to get basing rights setup on Primus. This way we would start next turn knowing if we could build on Primus and how much BP we are getting for our boon. That would reduce a lot of guess work in our ramp schedule.
I'm still chewing on the idea of returning this action, but figured I'd trot the plan out for everyone to pick at.
[] Plan: Return Home
-[][FREE] Spark of the Ancients Repair Bay: 2 fighter bays dismantled (2 slots freed) - 2 Machine Spirit Manufactories added (360 BP) (1 MS Manufactory = 1 slot). Rest goes to repairing the Bongo Oubliette (640 BP - 128 points of repairs) (443/540 HP -> 540/540 HP).
-[] Command: Blow up any Chaos-tainted stations you find and detect.
-[] Construction (450 VBP / 500 LC): 450 BP the ship, of which
--[] 360 BP to 3x Machine Spirit Manufactory (120 BP, 20 CP),
--[] 1x Small automated medical facility (50 BP, 50 CP),
--[] 40 BP to immediate aid/bribes on the ship.
--[] Write-in: Send 17 members of the Cogitare Exploratium to be left on the ship temporarily, gifting each a personal void shield (Note 1) and a detachment of bots for security (Note 2). Their primary goal is to stabilize the ship and ease the suffering of its population, then the stations and their populations (or prepare the ship to hold evacuations most likely), while also helping by arming people to stomp out Chaos cults where they appear, if feasible. Aim with the repairs to convert the ship to hold people instead of ore. Tell the tech-priests that they are in charge to manage the ship as they see fit. They are free to recruit initiates to the Cogitare Exploratium after making sure of their trustworthiness to expand their numbers, but are to keep the truth about Vita's true nature a secret for now. They also encouraged to freely share basic uplift primers and teaching and augmenting people they don't directly recruit (especially to control the new installations they will be making), if they think it will help the situation. Only restricted cybernetic for non-Cogitare initiate is the Human Simulation brain-implant.
---[] Note 1: We had 9 void shields on the ship, 4 of which went to Vita and C-Crew. We can take the remaining 5 and the 12 we made for the bodyguards and use them for the stay behind priests.
---[]Note 2: Leave the 17 tech-priests behind with 703 Light Machine-spirit humanized infantry bots (20 CP), 840 Medium Machine-spirit humanized Infantry Bots (20 CP), and 1131 Heavy Machine-spirit Infantry Bots (40 CP). This gives them a sizeable detachment and removes cleans up our rounding errors.
-[] Travel back to Denva
-[] Diplomacy: After getting caught up with our contacts in Denva, negotiate basing right on Denva Primus with the locals
--[] Stretch goal: If basing is easy/simple to establish start coordinating with Denva to redeem our construction boon to build a manufacturing hub on Primus.
This keeps the first two actions of my plan and drops the research to get home with a diplomacy action to get basing rights setup on Primus. This way we would start next turn knowing if we could build on Primus and how much BP we are getting for our boon. That would reduce a lot of guess work in our ramp schedule.
I'm still chewing on the idea of returning this action, but figured I'd trot the plan out for everyone to pick at.
meianmaru
The Devourer of Fiction
They woul currently be unable to use them with their CP limitation, if they are operating all the other installations. I checked. But no worries, they can just make batches of 1000 Light MS bots for 35 BP after retrofitting the manufactories. So there is literally no reason for them to have the light bots at this point, as we can't mothball them for later use as far as I've understood. ...Though part of this reasoning was because I was unsure if units not in CP-network would decay the same as installations, which have to be mothballed with a tech we do not have for that not to happen.
@Neablis do the bots require mothballing tech like the installations to not decay if not in CP-network?
I think you're mistaken on the math there. Did you possibly forget:
By my count you've given them 210 CP of stuff to handle and they have 440 CP.
- Location
- Earth
This does not specify building the Anti-personnel Bunker, I suppose they are supposed to do that themselves over the next turn?
I do agree with most of the research here.
They need good food or they'll riot, MSPI is an obvious boost. The Bunker is for defense and the medical facility for the civilians.
The Tripwires? I suppose there is some use for them to find potential chaos sabotage early, but we already got good warp sensors.
I think Remote Organic-Machine control (50 RP) would be better. It would allow them to control the bots from afar, keeping them out of danger themselves.
I'd also give them an additional 1000 light bots.
meianmaru
The Devourer of Fiction
Thanks, I did miss that. Just saw the 10 CP when rechecking techs, and forgot what we had advanced past that. Making the change shortly, including adding 1000 MS light bots.
On bunkers, yes, they are meant to make them to fortify the ship. Also as checkpoints / detectors for warp-activity, as they have psychic shielding. For tripwires, I'm mostly interested in the deadman's switch capability. This way, any chaos taint should have an extremely hard time spreading, for example, from bot to bot. Also useful as psychic shielding is expensive, so detectors everywhere and especially at the start might be unfeasible.
On bots, I was going to wait Neablis to give judgement on mothballing units, and if its even required at all. But as Aineko pointed out, I had the CP limit at half of what it should have been, so making the changes right now. Aaand done. Added 1000 MS light bots
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[x] Plan: The Disciples of the Cogitare Exploratium
[x] Plan No Overcommitment, Prepare Warp FTL Communication
[x] Plan No Overcommitment, Prepare Warp FTL Communication
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Ah, you might have misunderstand. I want them to have just as many factories, I'm just wondering if leaving them an incomplete MS factory will get them there with MS factories faster than having non-MS factories that they refit themselves. It's why I asked Neablis about it.
I'd say it's probably automatically integrated into your other designs depending on the roll. Anything but a poor success will likely see it stuck into this ship repair too. A crit might make space stations cheaper across the board.
Yes, given the associate roll will determine if she levels up. I might narratively have her spread her effort, but mechanically she must be focused on one thing.
Some of them definitely would be, though their reasons may vary (teaching, independence, shiny new toys).
Refitting an existing costs half the cost of the new manufactory. So, 60 BP for that. But they'd be fully capable of finishing off a partially-completed manufactory.
Kind of. It's the sort of thing where it's marginal. They'll probably see degradation over the span of decades without it, but if the tech-priests are on top of it (i.e. roll decently) they'll keep up the maintenance.
It might cost them less BP to get to what you're thinking of as the target, but it also means they would have less BP to spend initially.
Depending on how much MSPI adds, the non MS factories might not be urgent to upgrade, since CP aren't all that pinched initially.
[X] Plan: The Disciples of the Cogitare Exploratium
Victan's active allocation requires a diplomacy action, which the plan doesn't have the time-budget for.
- Location
- Earth
I got away with doing an active Victan action without a dedicated Diplomacy action back on Turn 24.
Not sure if this was an oversight or as intended?
My theory is it worked because the exploration was an exploration-diplomacy hybrid when the Eldar showed, so Victan could contribute to the diplomacy component.I got away with doing an active Victan action without a dedicated Diplomacy action back on Turn 24.
Not sure if this was an oversight or as intended?
But I don't think any of the Disciples of the Cogitare Exploratium actions incorporate a diplomacy element that way?
meianmaru
The Devourer of Fiction
Yes, and considering his stated passive, he will probably try working out how to make alliances and/or rooting out Chaos-cults in this context. Won't be nearly as effective as a dedicated diplomacy-action, but still should be at least something.
Also, new changes because new answers from Neablis.
- Location
- Boston
@meianmaru, any chance you would be willing to swap tripwires for the Help Cia Train research?
It can unlock new training outcomes (below) and it is likely Cia levels and gets her level 10 perk this plan.
It can unlock new training outcomes (below) and it is likely Cia levels and gets her level 10 perk this plan.
Are you figuring they won't exceed 4 factories?
They don't have to make switching to MS factories the first priority, they could just add a fifth factory.